Announcements I'd most like at B.E. Media Day...

[UConnDan97]

I forgot about RC Johnson saying that, I did see that. Is there anyone other than him in any official capacity that has mentioned it?

Anyone other than the AD of Memphis? I don't know. I'm not always going to do your homework. And I'm not even sure what the "number of Whaler-accepted officials" is until you believe that it might be true. Three? Five?? So....enjoy.

 

[whaler11]

Anyone other than the AD of Memphis? I don't know. I'm not always going to do your homework. And I'm not even sure what the "number of Whaler-accepted officials" is until you believe that it might be true. Three? Five?? So....enjoy.

Well he's a bit of a loose cannon. Not sure why he'd be the only one saying it.

It might be true. Almost anything can be true.

 

[UConnDan97]

Well he's a bit of a loose cannon. Not sure why he'd be the only one saying it.

It might be true. Almost anything can be true.

You will believe what you wish to believe. I've offered you multiple media outsiders that are talking about it, as well as someone on the inside that would have been in that room during the presentation. Not sure what more you want, really.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Clearly you don't get it. As someone already pointed out NBC is not only NBC Sports Network. You have no idea what someone will or will not tune into so stop it with the ESPN is our only hope to a better future garbage. The casual fan can find NBC just as easy as they can ESPN. And if a recruit is interested in a program they will find them no matter where the game airs. And news flash, the game highlights will still get on ESPN, because lets face it, that is what they truly want! DaDaDa...DaDaDa! (ESPN theme) Now back to watching the MMA feature on NBCSN!

actually, from what the NHL experienced, if it isn't aired on ESPN, it's not covered on ESPN either. Unless of course we have a team in the top 15 or so.

I think that has to be part of the due dilligence by the BE. NBC might be more $'s, but does that counter more visibility and coverage with ESPN...

I'm sure the BE will make the right decision. No reason to think otherwise.

 

[freescooter]

ESPN Thursday night games:

USCe/Vandy
Pitt/Cincy
Rutgers/USF
BYU/Boise
Stanford/Washington
USCw/Utah
ASU/Colorado
ASU/Oregon

So good enough for South Carolina, USC, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami and BYU but not the Big East?

And those Pac12 games start at 5 and 6 local time.

Just to be clear...Is USCe South Carolina or is it the mighty University of New Jersey, known to Rutgers al as the USC of the East?

 

[whaler11]

You will believe what you wish to believe. I've offered you multiple media outsiders that are talking about it, as well as someone on the inside that would have been in that room during the presentation. Not sure what more you want, really.

It's one quote from an AD and the rest is speculation you get here. Hell one of them was bleacher report.

It might be true. It may just be hope. I guess we'll see.

 

[whaler11]

Just to be clear...Is USCe South Carolina or is it the mighty University of New Jersey, known to Rutgers al as the USC of the East?

Like Rutgers would have an SEC team on their schedule.

 

[UConnDan97]

It's one quote from an AD and the rest is speculation you get here. Hell one of them was bleacher report.

It might be true. It may just be hope. I guess we'll see.

You're funny, Whaler! Most people would have just typed, "Hey, thanks for the link," and gone on about their day. I love your "stick-to-it-iveness"!!!

 

[freescooter]

Like Rutgers would have an SEC team on their schedule.

You're right...a dead giveaway...

 

[whaler11]

You're funny, Whaler! Most people would have just typed, "Hey, thanks for the link," and gone on about their day. I love your "stick-to-it-iveness"!!!

I said it was interesting and asked if there was anyone else saying it. You know things not like b/r.

You can just stop replying to me. Block me or whatever. You see everything through blue colored lenses, I do not.

I don't believe everything i read on the internet. If I did I'd be gearing up for Texas in the Pac16, Missouri in the Big 10 and Florida State in the Big 12.

I have said maybe it's true. Sorry if my bar for believing something on the internet is higher because I've watched one bs rumor after another fall by the wayside.

 

[UConnDan97]

I said it was interesting and asked if there was anyone else saying it. You know things not like b/r.

You can just stop replying to me. Block me or whatever. You see everything through blue colored lenses, I do not.

I don't believe everything i read on the internet. If I did I'd be gearing up for Texas in the Pac16, Missouri in the Big 10 and Florida State in the Big 12.

I have said maybe it's true. Sorry if my bar for believing something on the internet is higher because I've watched one bs rumor after another fall by the wayside.

Actually, I'm not the one seeing the world through colored lenses. I try my very best to make statements based on data that I can present, and I would like to think that I have presented that data in this case as well. I'm not some crazy person that spouts off random ideas without having some basis for spouting them.

However, you seem to be the type of person that finds it incredibly difficult when you have an idea in your head to displace that idea. In this instance, all you had to say was, "Good find on the articles. I'm still skeptical, but it clearly isn't just a 'Boneyard' thing like I said it was." But that would have required you to adjust your stance on something. I'm just not sure your capable of that. That's why I said that I love your "stick-to-it-iveness"!

 

[zls44]

I'll believe NBC puts the Big East on the broadcast network when it happens. That would make NBC a much more interesting option, but I've never seen that mentioned anywhere but here.

They've shown enough of a void of intelligence in programming and execution in the last six days where I completely expect them to put Big East football on their main broadcast network. It would fit in with every other dumb decision they're making.

 

[metsfan2323]

They've shown enough of a void of intelligence in programming and execution in the last six days where I completely expect them to put Big East football on their main broadcast network. It would fit in with every other dumb decision they're making.

You are the only one who could turn the idea of the Big East on NBC's main network into a negative. Are you a football fan or a fan of network boardroom decision making? Are you a football fan at all?

Having multiple Big East games on NBC every week would be a phenomenal victory for the conference.

 

[UConnDan97]

You are the only one who could turn the idea of the Big East on NBC's main network into a negative. Are you a football fan or a fan of network boardroom decision making? Are you a football fan at all?

Having multiple Big East games on NBC every week would be a phenomenal victory for the conference.

To steal a line from the movie "Major League," ZLS threw at his own kid in a father-son game...

 

[CL82]

They've shown enough of a void of intelligence in programming and execution in the last six days where I completely expect them to put Big East football on their main broadcast network. It would fit in with every other dumb decision they're making.

So... yea for us?

 

[whaler11]

Actually, I'm not the one seeing the world through colored lenses. I try my very best to make statements based on data that I can present, and I would like to think that I have presented that data in this case as well. I'm not some crazy person that spouts off random ideas without having some basis for spouting them.

However, you seem to be the type of person that finds it incredibly difficult when you have an idea in your head to displace that idea. In this instance, all you had to say was, "Good find on the articles. I'm still skeptical, but it clearly isn't just a 'Boneyard' thing like I said it was." But that would have required you to adjust your stance on something. I'm just not sure your capable of that. That's why I said that I love your "stick-to-it-iveness"!

I guess you can't take the advice and ignore? I admitted I had seen the Johnson quote after the reminder. It is a positive thing so I don't see why others didn't pile on if true. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but that is a legitimate point.

I've adjusted my stance on plenty of things. I do have strong opinions and I do generally stick with them until I see a reason to change. I don't think NBC will put the league on the broadcast network. They might and I could be wrong, but I don't think it will happen. If that proves to be wrong, I'll gladly admit it because it's a good thing for the league.

If Memphis or Temple end up being good additions I'll gladly say I was wrong. I'm not really sweating that though.

 

[whaler11]

For NBC it's only dumb if they severely overpay. It's not like they have anything else anyone wants to watch.

 

[UConnDan97]

I guess you can't take the advice and ignore? I admitted I had seen the Johnson quote after the reminder. It is a positive thing so I don't see why others didn't pile on if true. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but that is a legitimate point.

I've adjusted my stance on plenty of things. I do have strong opinions and I do generally stick with them until I see a reason to change. I don't think NBC will put the league on the broadcast network. They might and I could be wrong, but I don't think it will happen. If that proves to be wrong, I'll gladly admit it because it's a good thing for the league.

If Memphis or Temple end up being good additions I'll gladly say I was wrong. I'm not really sweating that though.

Ignore? When you ask me to look for more references than Johnson for you?? I suppose I should have just ignored you, as it turns out. And I didn't say that you failed to acknowledge the Johnson quote; you clearly acknowledged that. What I was saying is that you continued to say that being on the main NBC network was a "Boneyard only" idea, when it clearly wasn't. That's the part that I can't understand why you continued to ignore.

But you're right about the fact that I should take my own advice; sometimes I'm smarter than me.

 

[whaler11]

Ignore? When you ask me to look for more references than Johnson for you?? I suppose I should have just ignored you, as it turns out. And I didn't say that you failed to acknowledge the Johnson quote; you clearly acknowledged that. What I was saying is that you continued to say that being on the main NBC network was a "Boneyard only" idea, when it clearly wasn't. That's the part that I can't understand why you continued to ignore.

But you're right about the fact that I should take my own advice; sometimes I'm smarter than me.

Sorry I was asking if anyone had anyone else connected to the league saying that.

The other two links where sheer Boneyard like conjecture and bleacher report.

Johnson's quote is a legitimate piece of news. Can you tell me why if it's true no one else has mentioned it? I guess there might be a reason but it's an awful lot of people keeping a secret.

I'm all for network NBC if the money is there. I'm not for NBCS only, unless they overpay to make up for the lack of exposure. NBCS only is death to the league. We'd miss the national derision because that is better than getting ignored.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Ignore? When you ask me to look for more references than Johnson for you?? I suppose I should have just ignored you, as it turns out. And I didn't say that you failed to acknowledge the Johnson quote; you clearly acknowledged that. What I was saying is that you continued to say that being on the main NBC network was a "Boneyard only" idea, when it clearly wasn't. That's the part that I can't understand why you continued to ignore.

But you're right about the fact that I should take my own advice; sometimes I'm smarter than me.

Dan, you're one of my favorite BY members, so don't take this as a personal attack, but I strongly disagree with you here.

The newest AD to the Big East mentions NBC and then a couple of blog sites mention it as well. To me that doesn't mean anything and it's just pure speculation and not proof of anything.

Network NBC would be great if we got football on their all day Saturday before and after Notre Dame and during the hoops season we had featured games on NBC (like CBS does on the weekend). However, I just don't see that happening.

 

[UConnDan97]

Johnson's quote is a legitimate piece of news. Can you tell me why if it's true no one else has mentioned it? I guess there might be a reason but it's an awful lot of people keeping a secret.

Could it be that the top Big East brass isn't supposed to comment on the particulars of that meeting because ESPN is supposed to have a period of exclusivity in contract negotiations? (I don't know that is the answer; I'm just speculating as to why) There are a number of reasons that the Big East leadership hasn't talked in depth about that presentation or the FOX presentation, one being a touch of stupidity. But it's possible that they felt that Johnson, who isn't yet "part of" the Big East, could blabber on freely about the presentation and the Big East not worry about the fact that he leaked it.

This is where I queue up BizLaw, who is infinitely more knowledgeable in terms of negotiation exclusivity periods than I am.

 

[UConnDan97]

Dan, you're one of my favorite BY members, so don't take this as a personal attack, but I strongly disagree with you here.

The newest AD to the Big East mentions NBC and then a couple of blog sites mention it as well. To me that doesn't mean anything and it's just pure speculation and not proof of anything.

Network NBC would be great if we got football on their all day Saturday before and after Notre Dame and during the hoops season we had featured games on NBC (like CBS does on the weekend). However, I just don't see that happening.

I appreciate the compliment, and I didn't take your post to be a personal attack (it was quite mild, actually!). I think that I should be clear as to what I was trying to say, albeit 4 pages ago. I believe that the main NBC channel and the bracketing of the marquis games around the ND game is on the table. That, however, does not mean that I know it to be true. I am only basing that belief on the information that I gathered; some of which I linked in the posts. And I will be the first to admit that some of the links are just outside people (like Bleacher Report....I just threw up a little in my mouth) that are speculating on the situation entirely.

But my point was that if outside people are speculating on it and if an AD of a soon-to-be member commented on it, it seems like it has legs. That's all. I'm not saying I was in the board room. There's no problem with you or Whaler being skeptical about whether the main NBC channel happens or not. But hopefully you will both admit that it seems like it may be an option to be placed on the table.

 

[whaler11]

I appreciate the compliment, and I didn't take your post to be a personal attack (it was quite mild, actually!). I think that I should be clear as to what I was trying to say, albeit 4 pages ago. I believe that the main NBC channel and the bracketing of the marquis games around the ND game is on the table. That, however, does not mean that I know it to be true. I am only basing that belief on the information that I gathered; some of which I linked in the posts. And I will be the first to admit that some of the links are just outside people (like Bleacher Report....I just threw up a little in my mouth) that are speculating on the situation entirely.

But my point was that if outside people are speculating on it and if an AD of a soon-to-be member commented on it, it seems like it has legs. That's all. I'm not saying I was in the board room. There's no problem with you or Whaler being skeptical about whether the main NBC channel happens or not. But hopefully you will both admit that it seems like it may be an option to be placed on the table.

It is certainly something NBC could use to sweeten their deal, and it may be strategic having Johnson leak it. That being said I have zero faith in the ability of the Big East to negotiate well, nevermind actually coordinate the public statements of 19 or 20 schools or however many are in the league right now.

Linking to B/r is like someone who wants Rice, Duke and Tulane to join forces linking to a Waylon post. It's a million monkeys at a million keyboards.

 

[UConnDan97]

Linking to B/r is like someone who wants Rice, Duke and Tulane to join forces linking to a Waylon post. It's a million monkeys at a million keyboards.

In fairness to me, I was just grabbing the first ones that I saw on the Google search and quoting their excerpts. In the future, I will deduct points from myself if I include them in a post. I'm one of the many "fans" who think they belong in my septic system...

 

[Waquoit]

The more I think about it the more NBC should be the goal. They've been acquired by Comcast, the leading cable provider. That's a side I want to be on, they own the network and the pipeline. NBCSN is still brand-new. People are finding about where the channel is during the Olympics. It's a basic channel on Comcast, right next to ESPN on my father's cable. They are going to promote the Big East, as opposed to just sticking it in a closet.

 

[whaler11]

In fairness to me, I was just grabbing the first ones that I saw on the Google search and quoting their excerpts. In the future, I will deduct points from myself if I include them in a post. I'm one of the many "fans" who think they belong in my septic system...

In fairness to you that was me making fun of b/r and Waylon. If only he'd make slideshows for us.

 

[CL82]

For NBC it's only dumb if they severely overpay. It's not like they have anything else anyone wants to watch.

It goes without saying that it is foolish to severely overpay. It also is foolish to underpay, however. NBC needs a way into this market. The Big East is it's foot in the door. If it underpays, so that it is financial beneficial for a school to jump ship, the conference is at risk and therefore their considerable investment, much of which is here in Connecticut, is also at risk.

Accordingly, NBC needs to 'right price' this deal, paying the lowest possible amount that keeps the conference stable. I suggest that that price is at least equal to the ACC deal, and probably just a bit higher. Quality of the games is largely irrelevant. Yeah, I'd rather watch the average B!G or SEC game, but those aren't available to the NBC. Coincidently that pricing point makes a compelling case that the Big Five is the still the Big Six.

We will do well as a conference if we stay the course and, of course, if the conference leadership doesn't screw it up. It's the latter part of that sentence that scares the crap out of me.

 

[pj]

NBC needs to 'right price' this deal, paying the lowest possible amount that keeps the conference stable. I suggest that that price is at least equal to the ACC deal, and probably just a bit higher. Quality of the games is largely irrelevant. Yeah, I'd rather watch the average B!G or SEC game, but those aren't available to the NBC. Coincidently that pricing point makes a compelling case that the Big Five is the still the Big Six.

I'd like to believe this will happen, but most Big East schools seem to be reconciled to getting significantly less than the ACC. Unless Fox emerges as a major bidder, it's hard to see that NBC will have competitive pressure to pay something similar to the ACC. I agree that if they were forced to, it might well make business sense for them to do so.

The other possibility is a deal with incentives -- a relatively low fixed payout, say half what the ACC gets, but extra payments based on audience that could grow to exceed the ACC deal. I think that kind of structure would make sense for both sides. It protects NBC from conference departures, and gives Big East schools an opportunity to earn a competitive income. It would motivate everybody to perform and market.