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Was hoping this move was made a month ago, did Cashman finally realize Shane Robinson is not the answer. Hopefully this team wakes up by the time they play Oakland should have Didi and Sanchez back too.
 

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First thing you Yankee dolts need to learn is there's no "o" in McCutchen.

Second thing is you're going to love the way he grounds out to 3rd base in pretty much every critical RISP situation where anything pushed to RF would score a run.

Was a great guy we all rooted for right into 2016. Got a bit crispy last couple of years here. Seems much of his talent was stored in his dreds.
 
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First thing you Yankee dolts need to learn is there's no "o" in McCutchen.

Second thing is you're going to love the way he grounds out to 3rd base in pretty much every critical RISP situation where anything pushed to RF would score a run.

Was a great guy we all rooted for right into 2016. Got a bit crispy last couple of years here. Seems much of his talent was stored in his dreds.
I believe you may be pointing at GOUC’s spelling as the OP since no one but him spelled it incorrectly? In that case either you are a dolt not knowing he’s a Sox fan or he’s a dolt as you say for misspelling. And knowing GOUC is a great guy I think we have figured out who the dolt is purely by elimination in this case.
 

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I believe you may be pointing at GOUC’s spelling as the OP since no one but him spelled it incorrectly? In that case either you are a dolt not knowing he’s a Sox fan or he’s a dolt as you say for misspelling. And knowing GOUC is a great guy I think we have figured out who the dolt is purely by elimination in this case.
Sorry, I don't put a priority on knowing which spoiled rotten BYer follows the BoSox or which spoiled rotten BYer follows the Yankees.

I'm just a poor small market Pirates fan who grew up with the Mets and hates that fake brand of baseball they play in the AL.

It's still McCutchen without an O. Dolt.
 
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The one downside, with Fraser finally off of concussion protocol (I am happy for him) and now with McCutchen on the team, does this mean that the Yanks do not expect Judge back until the playoffs? If he will be back before then (and assuming both Did and Sanchez are back, too), who becomes expendable, maybe Walker?
 
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Sorry, I don't put a priority on knowing which spoiled rotten BYer follows the BoSox or which spoiled rotten BYer follows the Yankees.

I'm just a poor small market Pirates fan who grew up with the Mets and hates that fake brand of baseball they play in the AL.

It's still McCutchen without an O. Dolt.
No one wants to see a pitcher strike out or make weak contact 9 out of 10 times. And no one wants to see a pitcher come out of the game earlier than he should because he's a crappy hitter.

The NL rules are horrible for baseball. Its about good pitching vs. good hitting. Do you think hockey rules suck because they don't have a goalie come out and also play the point on a power play? Pitching - like goaltending - is a very specialized and important position that shouldn't be messed with just so you can say WOW! - what a 2 way player!

You can make fun of the Yankees all you want. But don't make fun of the American League.
 
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The one downside, with Fraser finally off of concussion protocol (I am happy for him) and now with McCutchen on the team, does this mean that the Yanks do not expect Judge back until the playoffs? If he will be back before then (and assuming both Did and Sanchez are back, too), who becomes expendable, maybe Walker?
September 1 is upon us. Everyone is safe.

I feel Judge is out long term. And Gardner is sputtering. With Clint needing a few weeks enter Cutch.
 
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The one downside, with Fraser finally off of concussion protocol (I am happy for him) and now with McCutchen on the team, does this mean that the Yanks do not expect Judge back until the playoffs? If he will be back before then (and assuming both Did and Sanchez are back, too), who becomes expendable, maybe Walker?
Frazier who knows you can't assume he will be back one set back hes done for the year, if Judge does happen to come back I would say Gardner is the odd man out and be a designated pinch runner or replacement fielder. I would platoon 1b with Walker and Voit, Bird is god awful.
 

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No one wants to see a pitcher strike out or make weak contact 9 out of 10 times. And no one wants to see a pitcher come out of the game earlier than he should because he's a crappy hitter.

The NL rules are horrible for baseball. Its about good pitching vs. good hitting. Do you think hockey rules suck because they don't have a goalie come out and also play the point on a power play? Pitching - like goaltending - is a very specialized and important position that shouldn't be messed with just so you can say WOW! - what a 2 way player!

You can make fun of the Yankees all you want. But don't make fun of the American League.
No one wanted to see Derek Jeter play shortstop or David Ortiz play 1b or OF the last 10 years of their careers either. Why not put in decent defensive shortstop who doesn't have to bat?

If - probably when - the NL has to adopt some form of Designated Hitter, I hope it's a better version than what the AL has. Because you have a very boring and bland form of baseball with virtually no risk/reward strategy involved. Why even have bench players?

If you're going to involve Designated Hitters, then just move to have more offense only guys and more defense only guys. If your excuse is that only pitching is "specialized", that's a load of crap. Just look at Fangraphs at all the guys who suck at fielding (or baserunning) that have decent offensive stats. And vice verse. If we're gonna have designated hitters, then go all the way and have the best pitchers, offensive and defensive players all doing what they do best. That would be more interesting that having Brett Gardner be designated hitter as a "rest day".

(hey Tom... if you're going to have a baseball board on BY, can we do away with the "Dee Aitch" = Dan Hurley stuff.)
 
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No one wanted to see Derek Jeter play shortstop or David Ortiz play 1b or OF the last 10 years of their careers either. Why not put in decent defensive shortstop who doesn't have to bat?

If - probably when - the NL has to adopt some form of Designated Hitter, I hope it's a better version than what the AL has. Because you have a very boring and bland form of baseball with virtually no risk/reward strategy involved. Why even have bench players?

If you're going to involve Designated Hitters, then just move to have more offense only guys and more defense only guys. If your excuse is that only pitching is "specialized", that's a load of crap. Just look at Fangraphs at all the guys who suck at fielding (or baserunning) that have decent offensive stats. And vice verse. If we're gonna have designated hitters, then go all the way and have the best pitchers, offensive and defensive players all doing what they do best. That would be more interesting that having Brett Gardner be designated hitter as a "rest day".

(hey Tom... if you're going to have a baseball board on BY, can we do away with the "Dee Aitch" = Dan Hurley stuff.)
I'll leave it at this. The top 20 pitchers in the NL in terms of plate appearance are hitting a combined .133

If you take out the top 3 hitting pitchers in that group, the average batting average plummets to - wait for it - .106

Teams don't even sacrifice anymore - Those same 20 pitchers have only sacrificed an average of 4 times ALL YEAR.

So you're making fans sit through 4-6 excruciating at bats a night between two teams - on a night where you are just praying that your pitcher doesn't get drilled or pull a muscle swinging or running the bases. And if they do, the NL fan who just lost his pitcher will still sit there gritting his teeth and saying 'BUT ITS THE WAY IT WAS ALWAYS PLAYED". Well yeah, 45 years ago it was always played that way. The world has moved on - except for the NL and a league in Japan
 

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I'll leave it at this. The top 20 pitchers in the NL in terms of plate appearance are hitting a combined .133

If you take out the top 3 hitting pitchers in that group, the average batting average plummets to - wait for it - .106

Teams don't even sacrifice anymore - Those same 20 pitchers have only sacrificed an average of 4 times ALL YEAR.

So you're making fans sit through 4-6 excruciating at bats a night between two teams - on a night where you are just praying that your pitcher doesn't get drilled or pull a muscle swinging or running the bases. And if they do, the NL fan who just lost his pitcher will still sit there gritting his teeth and saying 'BUT ITS THE WAY IT WAS ALWAYS PLAYED". Well yeah, 45 years ago it was always played that way. The world has moved on - except for the NL and a league in Japan
So you're not addressing my point that the AL use of the Designated Hitter isn't the ideal if the goal is to have the best "specialists" do what they're special at (field, run, hit, pitch).

Applying the Designated Hitter to only pitchers doesn't improve the game unless you're the type that's also interested in the nuances of home run derby. There's no tension at all in AL games as there is in the NL when quite often full benches are used and bullpens are depleted. It's simply not that interesting a product.

If there needs to be a Designated Hitter, I think there's considerable room for improvement over the AL game to make the game much more interesting. All things considered, NL game attendance is usually ~10% higher than AL in recent years. Markets may have something to do with that, but the game itself might just be more entertaining. I know second guessing Clint Hurdle is a competitive sport in Pittsburgh as it was for Mike Matheny when he was still with the Cards.

As an aside, pitchers should get drilled if they're throwing at guys on the other team. Only a member of Roger Clemens immediate family would think otherwise. And come on... pulling a muscle swinging or running the bases? We're still talking athletes here. Teams pinch run pitchers all the time. Tell CC to lay off the donuts.
 
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No one wants to see a pitcher strike out or make weak contact 9 out of 10 times. And no one wants to see a pitcher come out of the game earlier than he should because he's a crappy hitter.

The NL rules are horrible for baseball. Its about good pitching vs. good hitting. Do you think hockey rules suck because they don't have a goalie come out and also play the point on a power play? Pitching - like goaltending - is a very specialized and important position that shouldn't be messed with just so you can say WOW! - what a 2 way player!

You can make fun of the Yankees all you want. But don't make fun of the American League.
Yeah. It’s great watching Albert Pujols hit .240 making 25m a year.
 
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No one wanted to see Derek Jeter play shortstop or David Ortiz play 1b or OF the last 10 years of their careers either. Why not put in decent defensive shortstop who doesn't have to bat?

If - probably when - the NL has to adopt some form of Designated Hitter, I hope it's a better version than what the AL has. Because you have a very boring and bland form of baseball with virtually no risk/reward strategy involved. Why even have bench players?

If you're going to involve Designated Hitters, then just move to have more offense only guys and more defense only guys. If your excuse is that only pitching is "specialized", that's a load of crap. Just look at Fangraphs at all the guys who suck at fielding (or baserunning) that have decent offensive stats. And vice verse. If we're gonna have designated hitters, then go all the way and have the best pitchers, offensive and defensive players all doing what they do best. That would be more interesting that having Brett Gardner be designated hitter as a "rest day".

(hey Tom... if you're going to have a baseball board on BY, can we do away with the "Dee Aitch" = Dan Hurley stuff.)
To throw Jeter and Ortiz in the same sentence (defensively) proves you are worthy of the title of King Dolt. Wow and now you want us to take you serious? LOL
 

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To throw Jeter and Ortiz in the same sentence (defensively) proves you are worthy of the title of King Dolt. Wow and now you want us to take you serious? LOL
You should take me seriously.

I'm not comparing Ortiz vs Jeter at SS. I'm comparing Jeter vs other SS and Ortiz vs other 1b. Both were at/near the top of worst fielders at their positions.

You may even find this enlightening - in final five years of his career, Jeter was unequivocably the worst fielding regular SS (over 3K PAs) in MLB. Ortiz, while awful, was only the 5th worst 1b over the final five years of his career (although he'd assumedly be higher if he played the field more often).
 
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You should take me seriously.

I'm not comparing Ortiz vs Jeter at SS. I'm comparing Jeter vs other SS and Ortiz vs other 1b. Both were at/near the top of worst fielders at their positions.

You may even find this enlightening - in final five years of his career, Jeter was unequivocably the worst fielding regular SS (over 3K PAs) in MLB. Ortiz, while awful, was only the 5th worst 1b over the final five years of his career (although he'd assumedly be higher if he played the field more often).
Certainly Jeter late stages wasn’t very good but early Jeter was solid to very good. Didn’t deserve all the gold gloves but some for sure but you know Better than baseball people I’m sure lol...

But hey you like the NL so who cares what you think? Not I.....Ortiz #5 and you believe those stats keeps the king thing going though.
 

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Certainly Jeter late stages wasn’t very good but early Jeter was solid to very good. Didn’t deserve all the gold gloves but some for sure but you know Better than baseball people I’m sure lol...

But hey you like the NL so who cares what you think? Not I.....Ortiz #5 and you believe those stats keeps the king thing going though.
If you're throwing "Ortiz #5..." back at me as a suggestion I don't know baseball, I clearly said he could've been much worse if he played there regularly. I'm pretty confident I would more than hold my own against any and all on BY in any discussion on Sabremetrics and general baseball strategy.

Anyway, you're completely missing the point of what I was saying regarding NL adopting the Dan Hurley in a different (and hopefully better) form than the half job the AL did.

If you cringe at the thought of a pitcher batting, but don't cringe at the thought of Ortiz playing 1b or a 40-year old Jeter at SS, I don't know what to tell you. There are no "baseball people" outside of Yankees employees who thought Jeter should be playing SS those last few years. So why not let him bat only and play some Dominican kid who's all glove no bat. Let's see some clutch Jeter doubles in the gap AND some web gems from the kid (which Jeter could obviously not provide).

If the Yankees played Deven Merrero at "designated fielder" at 3b in the field and Andujar batted w/o playing the field, that could mean two additional wins for Yankees this season based on Merrero's plus fWAR and Andjuar's awful -13 and counting fWAR. I can't see why someone who's anti pitchers batting still supports guys who suck at fielding being out in the field...

The Designated Hitter was one thing when you had Edgars and Ortizs and Thomes and Thomases and other offense-first guys that were in the discussion for HoF as a team's Designated Hitter. Now most teams use the Designated Hitter slot for a "day off" for some middling player. So your league average Designated Hitter OPS doesn't resemble an HoF, or even a marginal All-Star, profile.

If folks want more offense, give them more offense. If folks want a faster pace of play, put more defenders out in the field with good range who can turn hits into outs. If the union wants more pay for veteran players, this works for them as well. A whole lot of advantages I haven't even discussed yet by having multiple Designated Hitters.
 
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If you're throwing "Ortiz #5..." back at me as a suggestion I don't know baseball, I clearly said he could've been much worse if he played there regularly. I'm pretty confident I would more than hold my own against any and all on BY in any discussion on Sabremetrics and general baseball strategy.

Anyway, you're completely missing the point of what I was saying regarding NL adopting the Dan Hurley in a different (and hopefully better) form than the half job the AL did.

If you cringe at the thought of a pitcher batting, but don't cringe at the thought of Ortiz playing 1b or a 40-year old Jeter at SS, I don't know what to tell you. There are no "baseball people" outside of Yankees employees who thought Jeter should be playing SS those last few years. So why not let him bat only and play some Dominican kid who's all glove no bat. Let's see some clutch Jeter doubles in the gap AND some web gems from the kid (which Jeter could obviously not provide).

If the Yankees played Deven Merrero at "designated fielder" at 3b in the field and Andujar batted w/o playing the field, that could mean two additional wins for Yankees this season based on Merrero's plus fWAR and Andjuar's awful -13 and counting fWAR. I can't see why someone who's anti pitchers batting still supports guys who suck at fielding being out in the field...

The Designated Hitter was one thing when you had Edgars and Ortizs and Thomes and Thomases and other offense-first guys that were in the discussion for HoF as a team's Designated Hitter. Now most teams use the Designated Hitter slot for a "day off" for some middling player. So your league average Designated Hitter OPS doesn't resemble an HoF, or even a marginal All-Star, profile.

If folks want more offense, give them more offense. If folks want a faster pace of play, put more defenders out in the field with good range who can turn hits into outs. If the union wants more pay for veteran players, this works for them as well. A whole lot of advantages I haven't even discussed yet by having multiple Designated Hitters.
Deven Merrero? Wow the big ifs now. Here's another to add to your stockpile....maybe mentally Andujar doesn't hit as good if he doesn't get to play the field? In that case 4-5 less wins. He's had some tough times in the field I would agree especially as of late but I think he will be fine eventually the tools are there. Torres made quite a few himself and no one has questioned his ability, all is fine with me sending these guys out to play.

Problem with the Yanks was they had 2 ex-SS's who were both really good at one time and neither could play SS well any more. And to be honest ARod would have been worst the last 3-4 years because he got too big and slow (HGH) he was made for 3B at that point as was Jeter.

Dan Hurley point well taken. So many good players with bad knees etc were still very good hitters and impacted teams offensively. The Downings, Guerrero's, Molitor's, Baylor, Baines and on and on were great hitters still and wouldn't have been in the game without the Dan Hurley. Even Victor Martinez now, who looks like he can hardly get to first. Problem is as you stated, there aren't a ton of great Dan Hurley's these days instead lots of guys who don't even hit in the top 5 in the lineup. The league average is way below yesteryear - is this because guys are staying healthier for their careers or teams are allowing them to dictate where they play. No doubt with Jeter they did but hate to say this, he deserved it. But then again if it's "my business" did he? I'm a fan so yes, if I'm an owner I change the thought process rather quickly.

Anyway baseball has changed so much from the PED's to the fact kids are looking to hit it long and high now, rearing back and swinging upwards like never before. It's acceptable to be a .230/27/78 guy now and that's crazy to me. In turn lots of crappy hitters vs back in the day and less opportunity for a solid Dan Hurley. Half of the players in the last 10-15 years wouldn't have been in the league without cheating and I still believe there's a lot of that going on, will never know. They don;t even look like baseball players anymore they look like wrestlers half of them.
 
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