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To be fair, some of that 9-21 shouldn't count against Warde. That was Hathaway's hire through and through and only Hathaway deserves -you blame for that. You can begin to criticize Warde after PP's second year for either 1) not canning the magnificent duo after 2012 or 2) not putting his foot down and canning GDL, but even then, it gets a little dicey.

Warde's UCONN legacy will be tied to Bob Diaco and, unfortunately, it's way too early to judge. APR is good. Both basketball programs are elite. Hockey is progressing rapidly and is about to out-draw the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night. Basketball center is finished. But, unfortunately for Warde, our football program has been a train wreck since he arrived at UCONN...mostly having to do with the previous AD.
 
Dooley said:
To be fair, some of that 9-21 shouldn't count against Warde. That was Hathaway's hire through and through and only Hathaway deserves -you blame for that. You can begin to criticize Warde after PP's second year for either 1) not canning the magnificent duo after 2012 or 2) not putting his foot down and canning GDL, but even then, it gets a little dicey.

Warde's UCONN legacy will be tied to Bob Diaco and, unfortunately, it's way too early to judge. APR is good. Both basketball programs are elite. Hockey is progressing rapidly and is about to out-draw the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night. Basketball center is finished. But, unfortunately for Warde, our football program has been a train wreck since he arrived at UCONN...mostly having to do with the previous AD.
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I don't see that as a bad thing at all. I think Diaco will work out, but if Manuel's chances of being hired away rise based on the number of wins the Football team has right now he won't be hired away and UConn will retain him for at least one more year. That is good for UConn (Bad for Freescooter and Nelsonmuntz and the rest of the bashers).

My opinion about Manuel is the same as my opinion about Diaco. I will support him until its time not to. He has done nothing to suggest he should be let go.
 
Dooley said:
To be fair, some of that 9-21 shouldn't count against Warde. That was Hathaway's hire through and through and only Hathaway deserves -you blame for that. You can begin to criticize Warde after PP's second year for either 1) not canning the magnificent duo after 2012 or 2) not putting his foot down and canning GDL, but even then, it gets a little dicey.

Warde's UCONN legacy will be tied to Bob Diaco and, unfortunately, it's way too early to judge. APR is good. Both basketball programs are elite. Hockey is progressing rapidly and is about to out-draw the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night. Basketball center is finished. But, unfortunately for Warde, our football program has been a train wreck since he arrived at UCONN...mostly having to do with the previous AD.
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Did year three of PP become a manure fire? Heck yes. But if you want to be fair, there is not an AD in the country who would have fired a man with PP's history after only two years that each ended 5-7 at UConn. There just isn't. Frankly, we are lucky that Manual acted as quicklly as he did to step in during year 3 when it was clear that PP had lost the team. But you couldn't have felt that way at the end of the prior year given that we beat LV on the road in the penultimate game.
 
businesslawyer said:
Did year three of PP become a manure fire? Heck yes. But if you want to be fair, there is not an AD in the country who would have fired a man with PP's history after only two years that each ended 5-7 at UConn. There just isn't. Frankly, we are lucky that Manual acted as quicklly as he did to step in during year 3 when it was clear that PP had lost the team. But you couldn't have felt that way at the end of the prior year given that we beat LV on the road in the penultimate game.
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Yea - the Louisville game end of the 2012 season - great upset. What happened a week later? Louisville got the nod to the ACC.
 
Dooley said:
To be fair, some of that 9-21 shouldn't count against Warde. That was Hathaway's hire through and through and only Hathaway deserves -you blame for that. You can begin to criticize Warde after PP's second year for either 1) not canning the magnificent duo after 2012 or 2) not putting his foot down and canning GDL, but even then, it gets a little dicey.

Warde's UCONN legacy will be tied to Bob Diaco and, unfortunately, it's way too early to judge. APR is good. Both basketball programs are elite. Hockey is progressing rapidly and is about to out-draw the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night. Basketball center is finished. But, unfortunately for Warde, our football program has been a train wreck since he arrived at UCONN...mostly having to do with the previous AD.
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I am sorry Dooley/Warde but I am under the influence: Warde's UConn legacy will be tied to UConn's getting passed over in CR, more specifically the Louisville selection to the ACC over UConn. Whether or not this is incorrect, that will be his legacy here if he leaves at this time. If in the future he is still here when UConn gets to a P5 conference then that will be his legacy along with the things you mentioned. But right now, his resume could read like: Basketball success would have happened whether he was here or not, anyone could have figured out the APR situation, hockey makes no difference at all (Does Louisville play hockey?), and the football program has regressed even more under his watch. Cannot blame the previous AD for this season. If you watch college football, you will see true freshman doing amazing things...for other teams. Ours are still trying to figure out if their socks match. Losing to Tulane? Unbelievable.
 
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Warde flat out said "I'm not going anywhere" during the jazz ceremony to the guy standing next to me who yelled "don't leave us"

Take it for what its worth.
 
specialisthusky said:
Warde flat out said "I'm not going anywhere" during the jazz ceremony to the guy standing next to me who yelled "don't leave us"

Take it for what its worth.
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brasssbonanzaa said:
That and $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee.
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Yeah, but what about this huh?;):rolleyes:

>>Last but certainly not least, I rode up on the elevator with AD Warde Manuel before the game and jokingly asked him if he has taken the Michigan job yet and tongue planted firmly in cheek said "last night" He made it abundantly clear that he likes the job he has at UConn.<<
 
businesslawyer said:
Did year three of PP become a manure fire? Heck yes. But if you want to be fair, there is not an AD in the country who would have fired a man with PP's history after only two years that each ended 5-7 at UConn. There just isn't.
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Maybe so, but a true "rock star" would have had the stones to do the right thing after that Cincy game. Just another guy plays it safe. We can replace just another guy.
 
Waquoit said:
Maybe so, but a true "rock star" would have had the stones to do the right thing after that Cincy game. Just another guy plays it safe. We can replace just another guy.
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I think you just conceeded that no AD would have fired him but know that you knew the right thing and none of them would have. Yeah, that's likely.

If you fire a coach after two years at UConn who goes 5-7 and 5-7, the reason no sane person would have fired him is that even if they were as prescient as you, how do you think you're going to attract a good coach to Storrs if you are perceived to give your coaches that little of a chance.
 
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The question is would the good coaches like to see Manuel let a failing coach run the program into the ground, or be able to take over before the program is run into the ground.
 
My opinion is his best hope for the Michigan job would be if they feel need an African-american for the position. Otherwise, there are probably more experienced and qualified candidates. Warde would be a risky hire.
 
businesslawyer said:
I think you just conceeded that no AD would have fired him but know that you knew the right thing and none of them would have. Yeah, that's likely.

If you fire a coach after two years at UConn who goes 5-7 and 5-7, the reason no sane person would have fired him is that even if they were as prescient as you, how do you think you're going to attract a good coach to Storrs if you are perceived to give your coaches that little of a chance.
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How long into season 3 did it take for you to realize that bringing back P was a horrible mistake? 5 minutes? Are you saying Diaco wouldn't have taken the job one year earlier?
 
Michigan president: Academics are driving AD search

University of Michigan President Mark Schlissel is concerned about the role of academics in the athletic programs, so he's carefully assessing candidates to replace athletic director Dave Brandon, who resigned last month.

"That's why I'm taking a bit of time with the search for Dave's successor," Schlissel told the school's the Senate Advisory Committee on University Affairs on Monday, according to the Michigan Daily. "Some folks wanted me to hire an athletic director (earlier) so he could fire the current football coach and hire the next coach, but I want to take the time to make sure we get someone who is not only technically adept but can ensure that the program has financial and academic integrity — and also someone who shares the value system of realizing our mission.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...hlissel-academics-driving-ad-search/18850269/

 
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buddy said:
I am sorry Dooley/Warde but I am under the influence: Warde's UConn legacy will be tied to UConn's getting passed over in CR, more specifically the Louisville selection to the ACC over UConn. Whether or not this is incorrect, that will be his legacy here if he leaves at this time. If in the future he is still here when UConn gets to a P5 conference then that will be his legacy along with the things you mentioned. But right now, his resume could read like: Basketball success would have happened whether he was here or not, anyone could have figured out the APR situation, hockey makes no difference at all (Does Louisville play hockey?), and the football program has regressed even more under his watch. Cannot blame the previous AD for this season. If you watch college football, you will see true freshman doing amazing things...for other teams. Ours are still trying to figure out if their socks match. Losing to Tulane? Unbelievable.
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Oh but I think we definitely can blame the former AD for this season. It was under Hathaway's watch when a lot of these young men were recruited and played for The Deadly duo. He was also was responsible for hiring them without due diligence.
They were all fat and happy collecting their checks and not doing their jobs.

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uconnell said:
Oh but I think we definitely can blame the former AD for this season. It was under Hathaway's watch when a lot of these young men were recruited and played for The Deadly duo. He was also was responsible for hiring them without due diligence.
They were all fat and happy collecting their checks and not doing their jobs.

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This years football season is history, no matter who is at fault. The question raised was what would be Warde's legacy at UConn? What can he actually put on his resume? Will he say that the previous regime sacked the place and I was unable to resurrect it so I want to leave? He did fix the APR issue with men's basketball, but he cannot claim success in any other issue, except maybe the new hockey conference and coach, but I am not informed enough to say. If he leaves, it would appear that he is abandoning ship. Believe me when I say this, I am not bashing him. If he leaves, fine. If he stays, fine. I would give him more time. Right now, his legacy will be what I previously posted.
 
I posted the record not because it's Manuel's fault.

I posted it because it would seem impossible for Michigan to hire someone from a school with that record during his reign.
 
It's not that impossible considering WM played football at Michigan and has strong academic achievements while an AD both here and Buffalo.

I'm not saying he's the favorite, but I think it's foolish to think that it is never going to happen.
 
whaler11 said:
I posted the record not because it's Manuel's fault.

I posted it because it would seem impossible for Michigan to hire someone from a school with that record during his reign.
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Oh, it's possible. He's a former Michigan player and that alone makes it possible. Former coach Lloyd Carr's players are pushing for him. I don't think he's the one, though. Right now, if I were to bet, I'd put my money on Brad Bates, not a sure bet, though.
 
dayooper said:
Oh, it's possible. He's a former Michigan player and that alone makes it possible. Former coach Lloyd Carr's players are pushing for him. I don't think he's the one, though. Right now, if I were to bet, I'd put my money on Brad Bates, not a sure bet, though.
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I meant selling it to the fanbase. But you guys are so blinded by 'Michigan Men' I should never underestimate your ability to value the wrong things.
 
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dayooper said:
Right now, if I were to bet, I'd put my money on Brad Bates, not a sure bet, though.
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So, bcu would have its third AD in about 3 school years. For such a classy educational institutional, this might be appropriate.
 
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whaler11 said:
I meant selling it to the fanbase. But you guys are so blinded by 'Michigan Men' I should never underestimate your ability to value the wrong things.
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If I hear that stupid statement again, it will be enough. It started about Bill Freider who, on the eve of the 1989 NCAA basketball tournament, left Michigan to go to another school (ASU I believe). He offered to coach the tournament, but then AD Bo Schembechler said "I don't want an Arizona State man coaching Michigan. I want a Michigan man coaching Michigan." Michigan went on to win the NCAA tourney that year.

When I heard that Joe Castignole (current Oklahoma AD) was mentioned for the job, I was pretty happy. I think it's a pipe dream, but would love that. As far as Manuel goes, I would cringe. He just doesn't have resume nor the experience to be the choice, in my opinion. Bates? He'd be OK, so would Long from Arkansas or Byrne out at Arizona. All of those have been mentioned for the job.
 
dayooper said:
If I hear that stupid statement again, it will be enough. It started about Bill Freider who, on the eve of the 1989 NCAA basketball tournament, left Michigan to go to another school (ASU I believe). He offered to coach the tournament, but then AD Bo Schembechler said "I don't want an Arizona State man coaching Michigan. I want a Michigan man coaching Michigan." Michigan went on to win the NCAA tourney that year.

When I heard that Joe Castignole (current Oklahoma AD) was mentioned for the job, I was pretty happy. I think it's a pipe dream, but would love that. As far as Manuel goes, I would cringe. He just doesn't have resume nor the experience to be the choice, in my opinion. Bates? He'd be OK, so would Long from Arkansas or Byrne out at Arizona. All of those have been mentioned for the job.
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But is Bates a Michigan Man?
 
Lynwood Rowe said:
But is Bates a Michigan Man?
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When Brandon "resigned," word was that Michigan was not looking for a Michigan man, but the man right for Michigan. Pedigree is deemphasized this time around and they are smart to do it. After all, the biggest "Michigan Man" in the history of the program is a Buckeye.
 
Husky25 said:
When Brandon "resigned," word was that Michigan was not looking for a Michigan man, but the man right for Michigan. Pedigree is deemphasized this time around and they are smart to do it. After all, the biggest "Michigan Man" in the history of the program is a Buckeye.
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That was a great post, you are correct, and I 'liked' it. But I think you could have driven the point home a letter better if you did the Michigan Man thingy. Just a little constructive criticism on an otherwise fine effort.
 
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