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dunlow66 said:
On to Gottfried, he has won 48 games in his first two seasons at NC State. Our previous coach went five years without an NCAA berth, Gott is two for two. Trust me when I say we are pleased with the improvement. He may not be the best coach in college basketball, but he has turned our program around quickly and has won almost as many conference games in two seasons(20) as Lowe did in five(25).
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You can't get very far using Sidney Lowe as a baseline, that's like saying somebody's a better hitter than Mario Mendoza.

You'd be in much better shape with the Gottfried argument if we hadn't seen the talent on your team up close and personal last year. You had the potential to be scary good. Tremendous athleticism and all the pieces - good point, sharpshooter, athletes on the wing, stud in Leslie, toughness inside in Howell. Those are pretty much the pieces you need for success. But you lost double digit games and flamed out early. If depth was an issue because kids who would have played transferred, well...that appears to be a continuing problem for Gottfried. If attitude was an issue, again...that's part of the job of a coach.

That was a potentially great mix of players, when you were "on" I really enjoyed watching you play. But a lot of coaches would have done much more with the raw material.
 
dunlow66 said:
TJ was being sarcastic, If he had a problem with Gott, why didnt he transfer or go NBA hardship. Would be silly to stay at a place where you do not respect the coach. As for TJ, wait til you see him this year. He has grown an inch or two and cut the baby fat. He will have a great season in the UCLA high post offense.
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TJ's intent may have been sarcasm but it was of the situational kind which is almost always used to emphasize an assertion of truth.

The truth in this particular case would be..."Gott" is a terrible basketball coach.
 
dunlow66 said:
Cooley has a much more substantial coaching background at the collegiate level and was often thought of as the mastermind behind Al Skinner at BC .
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Mastermind behind that legendary 247-165 run that landed Skinner that plum gig at Bryant College? He must be so proud.
 
Plus Bill Coen (now at Northeastern) has as much of a "mastermind" claim for those same BC teams. He ran the same flex offense at Northeastern that the Dudley/Smith teams ran and did wonders to get that program in the upper tier with VCU and George Mason in the CAA for a spell.
 
3uconn said:
@jeffborzello: After visiting Florida earlier this week, Abdul-Malik Abu is on NC State's campus today. Likely to choose one of them on Saturday.

Oh well...
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3, I saw that too but who the hell is Jeff Borzello? And why should we take his word as gospel?
 
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CAHUSKY said:
Mastermind behind that legendary 247-165 run that landed Skinner that plum gig at Bryant College? He must be so proud.
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How quickly did the program go down hill when Cooley was no longer there to help bring in recruits. Like I said, Skinner did not have much success without him(especially after the Cooley recruits moved on). You really just proved my point with the Bryant College reference.
 
BLUEDOGHOUSE said:
TJ's intent may have been sarcasm but it was of the situational kind which is almost always used to emphasize an assertion of truth.

The truth in this particular case would be..."Gott" is a terrible basketball coach.
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Dont think you have the insider info on NCSU to make that assumption.
 
dunlow66 said:
Dont think you have the insider info on NCSU to make that assumption.
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I'm not sure why "insider info" is relevant in this case. The "I was being sarcastic" defense is probably just damage control.
 
pj said:
Why are you proud of running another school's offense?
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Proud of running John Wooden's offense? you must not be much of a basketball historian to ask that question. Do you know who's advice Wooden sought when initially implementing the high post which has now taken the moniker of 'the UCLA high post offense' ? That's right, NCSU coach at the time, Press Maravich.
 
champs99and04 said:
I'm not sure why "insider info" is relevant in this case. The "I was being sarcastic" defense is probably just damage control.
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Once again, then why is TJ still at NCSU ? Why not bolt like Rodney Purvis if he has misgivings or doubts about the Coach?
 
Anyway, I still say AMA to NCSU and that is about all the banter I need for one night.

You guys are well informed and have some interesting opinions. Have a good night.
 
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FlaHusky said:
3, I saw that too but who the hell is Jeff Borzello? And why should we take his word as gospel?
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He's a recruiting analyst for CBS and he's got a good reputation. With that being said I've heard of him leaning to UConn, Florida, and NC State. Nobody really knows where he's going yet its bunch of guesses.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Mastermind behind that legendary 247-165 run that landed Skinner that plum gig at Bryant College? He must be so proud.
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Cooley was running Fairfield by the time Al's demise at BC came about. If you can't admit that Cooley is doing something special at PC; you are the only one.
 
Cooley is doing something special? He looks like a great recruiter but I want to see some on court success first. He could just be another Gottfried type.
 
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Since neither side is going to budge, let's come to a compromise. Cooley is obviously putting together some strong recruiting classes, and the way his team turned things around last year halfway through the season tells me he can coach at least a little bit. So those of you saying Providence sucks and always will are off base.

However, sean, using the word 'special' here is a little nutty. Providence hasn't made an NCAA tournament since their entire roster was practically in diapers, and as much as I liked last year's squad, they only made the final four of the NIT. That's a decent accomplishment, but let's slow down with calling this special.
 
I've learned quite a bit from this thread:

1. Wow, has Mark Gottfried landed at the right fan base. I truly didn't realize there were people out there who would defend his coaching ability.

2. PC and NCSU need to be rivals. One has a non existent rivalry with North Carolina, the other has a non existent rivalry with us. Let's get these 2 crazy kids together already.

3. I want my next job to be replacing Sidney Lowe at whatever he's doing right now.


Things I didn't learn:

1. Anything significant about the circus that is AMA's recruitment.
 
Prov didn't make the NIT Final 4, they lost to Baylor in the game before that...I'm not going to call that an "Elite" 8.
 
Special. Now that is funny. PC got beat by UConn both times last season, hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 2004, and Cooley had a career record of 13-23 in the Big East. Special ??? Wow, just wow.
 
Huskybass said:
Special. Now that is funny. PC got beat by UConn both times last season, hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 2004, and Cooley had a career record of 13-23 in the Big East. Special ??? Wow, just wow.
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"Special" is what Providence fans need to say, or they would have to face up to their recent history. It's their way of holding onto an iota of hope in the midst of the bleak reality of wasting years of life rooting for a school that has accomplished nothing.
 
He's turning things around at PC. We all know it. Whether you care to accept it in your peas is up to you.
 
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FriarJ said:
He's turning things around at PC. We all know it. Whether you care to accept it in your peas is up to you.
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Eh, we've heard this before. You have to do more. We've seen these exact posts over the years against and again from other fanbases. They are legion. One year Cal-Berkeley grabbed Isaiah Fox and Jamal Sampson. a guy named Braun was supposed to be the next Coach K. Heard it from Iowa fans on this board and St. John's and Villanova too.

Ya gotta wait to see what the does with the talent.
 
upstater said:
Eh, we've heard this before. You have to do more. We've seen these exact posts over the years against and again from other fanbases. They are legion. One year Cal-Berkeley grabbed Isaiah Fox and Jamal Sampson. a guy named Braun was supposed to be the next Coach K. Heard it from Iowa fans on this board and St. John's and Villanova too.

Ya gotta wait to see what the does with the talent.
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I agree it's going to have to happen on the court, but the general feeling around the program and among the College Basketball community is he is about to turn the corner with this team. I guess you just have to realize what unbelievably bad shape that program was in in all aspects when he got there. There was no place to go but up, but it's appears to be happening quicker than most expected.

The timeline appears to be similar to how other coaches who have turned programs around did it. JC and UConn included.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
That's a fair assessment. But it's not what your buddy said.
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He used the word special. I may not have used it, but most PC fans do feel like something special is taking place. It's not that big a stretch. Everybody's definition of special is different, when you have 3 NC banners hanging your definition of special is quite a bit different than ours.
 
FriarJ said:
He used the word special. I may not have used it, but most PC fans do feel like something special is taking place. It's not that big a stretch. Everybody's definition of special is different, when you have 3 NC banners hanging your definition of special is quite a bit different than ours.
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Clearly, it is.
 
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