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Allegations of Abuse & Mistreatment at Texas Tech

maccca3232 said:
Program success (or lack there of) has nothing to do with the topic at hand, why she was terminated.

That said although no P5 teams should rank last, the OOC can be used for multiple purposes, so I would be more interested in the conference record and eventually tournament success.

Here are the TT conference W/L for the last 3 seasons:
2017-18: 1-17
2018-19: 4-14 (her 1st season)
2019-20: 7-17 (her 2nd season)

Objectively I would define that as progress.
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Who said anything about success or lack of as the reason she was terminated? All the main stream reporting stated Stollings reasoning that she and her staff wanted to build a winning culture and attitude. She tied for 8th in 2019 and tied for 6th in 2020 and the bottom of this conference is terrible. But hey if paying $720k gets you to 7th place (they lose the tie breaker to WVU) and you feel that objectively they are better, have at it, I for one thought better coaches aspire to better teams and results against tougher competition. Which is why I am rooting hard for Tina Thompson at UVa who schedule a tough OOC including UConn last year and this year.
I am absolutely delighted that this delusional, misguided jerk of a Coach was given her walking papers and her assistant as well. You raise your program, your team and your staff by building people up, not tearing people down.
 
maccca3232 said:
Here are the TT conference W/L for the last 3 seasons:
2017-18: 1-17
2018-19: 4-14 (her 1st season)
2019-20: 7-17 (her 2nd season)

Objectively I would define that as progress.
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Just to add to this line of inquiry, Texas Tech's season-ending Massey rankings:
2017-18: #198
2018-19: #96
2019-20: #52

Having watched Tech in the Candi Whitaker years as well as through Stollings' two seasons, I can say unequivocally that the team did improve year to year, as the Massey rankings suggest. I still did take a certain amount of amusement in pointing out Stollings' historically awful nonconference schedule, as well as her teams' characteristic disinterest in defense. Apparently I wasn't the only one to notice on the latter count.

 
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CocoHusky said:
No. There is a severe flaw in your rationale. Most people don't even know who the Texas Tech coach is or care that she has been fired therefore not worth of it's own thread. When Heather Macy resigned from Eastern Carolina that was at first buried in the Coaching Changes Thread and ECU was in the same conference as UCONN at the time. When @vowelguy got around to starting a thread about Macy stepping down it got maybe 50 post. There were a lot of people here crushing on Heather Macy too (allegedly).
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I'm persuaded that info about Texas Tech belongs on the general WBB board. I don't go there often so I'd prefer that significant news (recruiting, coaching changes et. al.) about programs that can challenge UConn be on the UConn WBB board.
 
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This has been said by others in this thread but let me reemphasize: a coaches record or strength of schedule is irrelevant where abuse of players is concerned.
 
oldude said:
Point taken. I guess my point is simply that Gordon was not in particularly good shape during her 2 years at UConn, and that certainly contributed to both her lack of playing time, along with a rash of nagging injuries. After transferring to TT, she appears to have gotten herself in better shape, and earn a chance to play.
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I vaguely remember a comment by a poster that was close to the program that said the reason Gordon was not getting any minutes was because of her not being in physical condition at the level the staff mandates. She was usually the last player off the bench in garbage time. No more than 3 minutes a game.
 
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I'm sure this post will have a very short half life but - people need to read Auriemma's book. Especially the part about the considerable dissension on the team and about how there was a move to get him fired for "whacking" (his word and his admission) one of his players. That "whack" got blown up to a punch. In reality it was no big deal and the player (Kris Lamb) and her father both sided with Auriemma.

The point I was trying to make is that I don't think that the sometimes out of control, screamer, foul mouthed coach Auriemma of the late 80's and early 90's could survive in today's WCBB culture.
 
vtcwbuff said:
I'm sure this post will have a very short half life but - people need to read Auriemma's book. Especially the part about the considerable dissension on the team and about how there was a move to get him fired for "whacking" (his word and his admission) one of his players. That "whack" got blown up to a punch. In reality it was no big deal and the player (Kris Lamb) and her father both sided with Auriemma.

The point I was trying to make is that I don't think that the sometimes out of control, screamer, foul mouthed coach Auriemma of the late 80's and early 90's could survive in today's WCBB culture.
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Times change. Successful coaches (and bosses for that matter) change with them. It is as simple as that.

There is no "right" style as much as there is a "wrong" style. Not only does abusing players, screaming and yelling all the time and all the rest of it not work, but it has consequences now.

Can you picture (among others) Woody Hayes in today's world?
 
Carnac said:
Any bets that each one of these coaches won't surface either this year or next at other wbb programs in spite of the damning and conclusive evidence of their improper and inappropriate behavior? :rolleyes:
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I'm guessing that each one of these coaches WILL find another job in college basketball somewhere, and soon. Either this season, or next season. The BOLD sentence asks if anyone wants to bet AGAINST them finding another job in men's or women's college basketball. In other words does anyone want to bet that they will remain unemployed for the foreseeable future? i.e., Won't surface = remain off the grid/radar and remain unemployed like they are today. I'm betting that they WILL. Does anyone want to bet against me?
 
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KnightBridgeAZ said:
Times change. Successful coaches (and bosses for that matter) change with them. It is as simple as that.

There is no "right" style as much as there is a "wrong" style. Not only does abusing players, screaming and yelling all the time and all the rest of it not work, but it has consequences now.

Can you picture (among others) Woody Hayes in today's world?
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No. Woody came along in a totally different era over 60 years ago. Things were tolerated then that are not today by players, parents, fans, the news media and college administrators. Same thing with Bobby Knight, throwing chairs and grabbing players. There are too many coaches like Herman Edwards of Arizona State, that loves to coach and teach young men how to play the game, be responsible and take responsibility for their actions and how to use good judgement (don't press send).

If I had a son in high school that was good enough to play at the next level, I would want him to play for Edwards. Edwards runs a good clean program that teachers his kids things that will make them better people, better men after they leave his program, whether they go pro or not. The same way I would want my high school daughter with elite D1 skills to play for Geno.
 
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maccca3232 said:
Program success (or lack there of) has nothing to do with the topic at hand, why she was terminated.

That said although no P5 teams should rank last, the OOC can be used for multiple purposes, so I would be more interested in the conference record and eventually tournament success.

Here are the TT conference W/L for the last 3 seasons:
2017-18: 1-17
2018-19: 4-14 (her 1st season)
2019-20: 7-17 (her 2nd season)

Objectively I would define that as progress.
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Perhaps with a small “p.”
 
Carnac said:
I can't edit my comments after they've been posted for 24 hours. I could in the past, not anymore. I don't know if it's just me, or if that feature was removed from everyone's account.

I'm guessing that each one of these coaches WILL find another job in college basketball somewhere, and soon. Either this season, or next season. The BOLD sentence asks if anyone wants to bet AGAINST them finding another job in men's or women's college basketball. In other words does anyone want to bet that they will remain unemployed for the foreseeable future? i.e., Won't surface = remain off the grid/radar and remain unemployed like they are today. I'm betting that they WILL. Does anyone want to bet against me?
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Ok, I will take that bet! Only because I want to believe that schools will do a better job vetting coaches and what their "character is".
That said, I guess some former coach/player who worked with or under Stollings/Dawkins would "sell" Stollings or Dawkins skills and the fact that the two of them have mended their ways and will be on a short leasch, but I HIGHLY DOUBT either will ever be a head coach again. Just too much downside for a program to take that chance, I mean after all both Swoopes and Connie Yori got jobs after being let go with cause so you unfortunately have past history on your side of the bet...:oops:
 
It's sort of like a dog that chases it's tail. Many of these programs want a top ten team and the money and notoriety that goes along with being there so they make a decision to lower their standards in terms of players and coachs. They, sadly, in too many case, go for a "quick fix" type of coach, someone who has contacts in the AAU industry (which is really what it is), someone who is willing to take shortcuts or take chances in order to bring in a top recruit in spite of his or her grades. And the people who are willing to do this are often short of a moral base. When this finally filters down it goes directly to the players who are on the team. I'm not quite sure if it's a coincidence that many times these teams are from Texas.
 
DefenseBB said:
Ok, I will take that bet! Only because I want to believe that schools will do a better job vetting coaches and what their "character is".
That said, I guess some former coach/player who worked with or under Stollings/Dawkins would "sell" Stollings or Dawkins skills and the fact that the two of them have mended their ways and will be on a short leasch, but I HIGHLY DOUBT either will ever be a head coach again. Just too much downside for a program to take that chance, I mean after all both Swoopes and Connie Yori got jobs after being let go with cause so you unfortunately have past history on your side of the bet...:oops:
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That's one bet I sincerely hope you win. :cool:
 
This is definitely not a good look for Texas Tech and their WBB program as well as Coach Stollings and her staff. The strength & conditioning coach definitely crossed the line. Surprised that he didn't get fired from the jump for his actions. He took the easy way out and quit. The thing that rubs me the wrong way is, we all have either been at a practice (male or female coach) at the high school or college level or attend a game (male or female) and hear coaches making comments towards a player(s). Some of the comments are cringeworthy but depending on the coach or the program, those comments get pushed to the side and we get "That is coach being coach." Then 5, 10,15, 20 years down the road, we hear how when "coach was being coach", the player(s) that was/were called out, now suffering from some type of PTSD situation. The bottom line is, no matter the coach or their success level, if wrong is wrong, folks gotta call them out and be consistent across the board.
 
wreckemred.com

Texas Tech coaching disasters beginning to taint Kirby Hocutt’s legacy

Yet another coaching disaster has rocked Texas Tech and threatens to taint the legacy of AD Kirby Hocutt, who was once untouchable.
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www.usatoday.com

Opinion: Texas Tech should drop AD Kirby Hocutt after he failed women's basketball players

Texas Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt knew for many months there was trouble with the women's basketball program but was slow to fire coaches.
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www.lubbockonline.com

Williams column: Stollings mess puts Hocutt in hot seat

Spike Dykes, when he was far along in his 13-year tenure as Texas Tech football coach, used to tickle the funny bone of an audience with this line: They
www.lubbockonline.com www.lubbockonline.com
 
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Wow, the Williams column makes the comment that he was not sure Hocutt wanted to hire Stollings and references "hiring a women" that cut the pool of candidates in half. To me, the fact of wanting to hire a women is not the issue, hiring the RIGHT women is. Where was the vetting process for Stollings especially now that we are hearing the rumblings from Minnesota and VCU. We do know Hocutt let Stollings hire Dawkins who was formally let go over abusive behavior at New Mexico and for that, he should be admonished.
 
www.startribune.com

Marlene Stollings' toxic coaching style dates back to Minnesota, former Gophers players say

Three of Marlene Stollings' players with the Gophers said she mistreated them, too.
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“The culture sounded familiar because all of that is true,” said Brunson, who was recruited by Stollings out of New York and played two seasons for her at Minnesota before finishing her Gophers career with two seasons under Lindsay Whalen.​
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Added Bello, who is from Michigan and was in the same graduating class with Brunson this past spring: “The first thing that came to my mind when I read the article was, ‘that sounds about right.’ ”​
 
Texas Tech Former Captain says there is plenty more abuse from former Coach and staff. Buddy on another board put me on this. She was drafted 17th in WNBA second round this year,

www.lubbockonline.com

Brewer speaks: Former Texas Tech captain backs up abuse claims

EDITOR’S NOTE: Former Texas Tech women’s basketball player Brittany Brewer, now with the Atlanta Dream of the WNBA, penned this personal
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DaBball said:
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Seriously? There's been speculation about him taking a HC position eventually, I really thought he would've held out for a more desirable, high profile position.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Seriously? There's been speculation about him taking a HC position eventually, I really thought he would've held out for a more desirable, high profile position.
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Graves isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. TX Tech is a pretty good opportunity imo. TX is loaded with HS talent, and you’re playing in a top-heavy conference with only Baylor and maybe a rejuvenated TX under a new HC to worry about. Good opportunity for a young coach.
 
oldude said:
Graves isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. TX Tech is a pretty good opportunity imo. TX is loaded with HS talent, and you’re playing in a top-heavy conference with only Baylor and maybe a rejuvenated TX under a new HC to worry about. Good opportunity for a young coach.
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TT is at BEST the 4th best program in the state behind Baylor, Texas and A&M, I'd probably put them behind TCU at this point. Marsha Sharp had a good thing going there until she retired after the 05-06 season. Since then they've been thru 3 coaches, only ONE season over .500 in conference, only 2 NCAA Tourney appearances. That's a pretty crappy 15 year run. I would not call TT a good job/program at this point. I still think Campbell could've easily found something better.
 
nwhoopfan said:
TT is at BEST the 4th best program in the state behind Baylor, Texas and A&M, I'd probably put them behind TCU at this point. Marsha Sharp had a good thing going there until she retired after the 05-06 season. Since then they've been thru 3 coaches, only ONE season over .500 in conference, only 2 NCAA Tourney appearances. That's a pretty crappy 15 year run. I would not call TT a good job/program at this point. I still think Campbell could've easily found something better.
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Time will tell. Campbell brings a lot of energy, and from all indications he is an excellent recruiter. If he can swing a couple top kids to Lubbock, who knows.
 
A few thoughts come to mind for me:
1. What a great and I mean GREAT written response by Brittany Brewer. For those who haven't clicked on Rocky's link, I implore you to do so. I am now a huge Brittany fan.
2. From the snippets I have seen of Mark Campbell, his positivity is exactly what this program needs. He has watched 1st hand how Kelly took a terrible program and made into a National program, one of the 10 best jobs in a short amount of time. Given the Tech history in WCBB, I do think this is a good job for him. At the moment it is well behind Baylor, TCU, Texas and A&M in Texas alone but it does have significant capability and I hope Mark gets the job.

While I certainly can understand @nwhoopfan perspective, I sort of disagree that any other P5 job that would come open would also have its limitations. Just what program is nearing a need to hire that isn't A) really terrible (think Pitt, Kansas, Wisconsin, Illinois, Washington/WSU, Colorado, Ole Miss, Auburn, Vanderbilt) or has an outdated perspective of itself-Purdue, LSU, Alabama.

He has a huge opportunity here and lots of upside.
 
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