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Allegations of Abuse & Mistreatment at Texas Tech

nwhoopfan said:
Well he's always gonna stick his foot in his mouth, that's what he does. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the press.
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Leach is a Class-A jerk. He could help himself out by remembering the sage advice of Herm Edwards, “Don’t hit SEND!”
 
oldude said:
Point taken. I guess my point is simply that Gordon was not in particularly good shape during her 2 years at UConn, and that certainly contributed to both her lack of playing time, along with a rash of nagging injuries. After transferring to TT, she appears to have gotten herself in better shape, and earn a chance to play.
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Kaili could hardly move. She had a soft touch and was an exceptional passer, but she was as slow as molasses. Someone posted years ago that she got herself in shape to play in Europe. Why not at UConn?
 
Carnac said:
Indeed it was. This story has gone viral. Stollings may not be able to weather this fire storm of allegations from the myriad of current and former players, none of whom have any reason to lie. It will be interesting to see where the BIG boosters and the general fan base weigh in on this.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Texas Tech women's basketball players describe a toxic culture of 'Fear, anxiety and depression'. If just half of the allegations are true, there's serious trouble in Lubbock. It's hard to sell your program to a potential recruit and their parents, when strong allegations like this has been made by so many different current and former players against you.

It will be interesting to to see if any their recruits from the 2020 class leave, and how many recruits from the 2021 class and beyond she's able to bring in if she's retained by the administration. The administration may be hesitant to eat the remainder of her contract salary that runs through 2024, and bring in a whole new staff.
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To echo what our fine colleague here has posted, yes, many other sources have picked up on this and I have attached an article from the Dallas Morning News where at the end of the article, the AD Kirby Hocutt states he met with players yesterday and will meet with them today. The disconcerting aspect is only meeting with the players for an hour while then having the players meet with the coaching staff and himself for 2 hours. That makes no sense in any realistic assessment of issues as you should meet the alleged victims, assess and document, then meet with the coaches, go back and propose meeting with the players and if they want to meet with the staff. I fear a CYA situation and not any meaningful results.
To me, the schools always look at the financial obligation first (Stollings contract is through March 2024 with $2.9 million left) then secondarily look to see if there is any abuse that would allow them out of the contract. I beg TT to do more than a cursory review and actually mean it when Hocutt says he cares about the students. Sadly, I don't see the school doing that. See SMU, see Duke see Northern Kentucky all of which backed their coaches due to contracts despite noting issues with promises of improvement. :oops:

www.dallasnews.com

Report: Texas Tech players speak out on ‘toxic culture’ within women’s basketball program

On Wednesday, USA Today Sports released a report with comments from 10 players alleging a toxic atmosphere around the Texas Tech women’s basketball program,...
www.dallasnews.com
 
Wally East said:
She sounds like a coach who, 20 years ago, would've been lionized as someone who was able to mold kids into winners. The players would've been criticized as either being soft or being "politically correct."
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Oh, right. I forgot to add self-centered and entitled. Truly unbelievable that people still think like this. Imagine thinking that driving a player into a depression is an okay thing.

This behavior from the coaching staff has nothing to do with "kids today." This behavior has never been okay. It's only now that we're coming to grips with that.
 
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DefenseBB said:
To me, the schools always look at the financial obligation first (Stollings contract is through March 2024 with $2.9 million left) then secondarily look to see if there is any abuse that would allow them out of the contract. I beg TT to do more than a cursory review and actually mean it when Hocutt says he cares about the students. Sadly, I don't see the school doing that. See SMU, see Duke see Northern Kentucky all of which backed their coaches due to contracts despite noting issues with promises of improvement. :oops:

www.dallasnews.com

Report: Texas Tech players speak out on ‘toxic culture’ within women’s basketball program

On Wednesday, USA Today Sports released a report with comments from 10 players alleging a toxic atmosphere around the Texas Tech women’s basketball program,...
www.dallasnews.com
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One of the articles said her contract calls for her to get 75% of her remaining future salary if she is fired for cause. That's a pretty good contract - sounds like somebody on her side anticipated the possibility. In any case, it sounds like they can only get out of about $.75 million of the $2.9 million remaining contract, even if they fire her for cause. Surely the $$ wouldn't skew their objectivity, would it? :rolleyes:
 
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j66kicker said:
One of the articles said her contract calls for her to get 75% of her remaining future salary if she is fired for cause. That's a pretty good contract - sounds like somebody on her side anticipated the possibility. In any case, it sounds like they can only get out of about $.75 million of the $2.9 million remaining contract, even if they fire her for cause. Surely the $$ wouldn't skew their objectivity, would it?
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Thanks for the added color which normally I would hit “Like” but it feels wrong to sound like I am in support of her and this contract (though I know it isn’t. So let me say you are a good man for finding this, I just wish you added the “:rolleyes:” emoji at the end!
 
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I may be completely wrong in this as I have very little information on Texas Tech and their basketball program. However, I am going to hold judgment until a lot more information comes out. Obviously there are limits on how much coaches should push their players, and physical issues are completely out of bounds. There was a mass exodus in (I believe) Nebraska a few years ago with players complaining about mistreatment. In the end I believe the coach was defended by several four your players Who claimed the coach did nothing but attempt to push the players to be better. Auburn also saw a bunch of players leave recently. One of the takeaways from those situations was that players are so much softer today than they were years ago. I have seen it in the public schools were the younger generation gets their feelings hurt so much easier today than ever before. I am not saying that is the case, however, until I hear a lot more about the situation I’m going to hold judgment.
 
ncteacher said:
One of the takeaways from those situations was that players are so much softer today than they were years ago.
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"Five players alleged strength and conditioning coach Ralph Petrella sexually harassed players, making suggestive comments to one player and using a therapy technique that involved applying pressure to some players’ chests and pubic bones and groins. "

"Throughout this past season, Petrella continued to administer RPR to multiple players, but he allegedly requested that this one player stay afterward for one-on-one treatment, according to the player and teammates. He also allegedly applied pressure to her pubic bone, went under her sports bra to reach a chest pressure point and went under her spandex shorts to reach an area near her groin, the player said."

"At least two players eschewed taking over-the-counter painkillers because, “If we’re in pain, our heart rate’s going to be higher.” Better punish themselves than risk punishment from coaches, they figured."

Do these players sound soft?
 
...so the AD realized after meeting with the players and coaches how bad and far apart they were and decided his initial support statements were inadequate so he fired her today. Good for him but maybe he should have waited without saying anything until all the discussions occurred.

I will say that I am very dismayed by the quotes from posters who think elite D1 athletes are soft,
Pampered and other rather derogatory comments. All these athletes spend 12-18 credit hours a week, homework, plus 20 hours a week in practice/games, and another 5-10 hours in other outside team activities plus all the travel. So maybe you need to rethink your views into the 21st century...:oops:
 
If Tina Langley from Rice doesn’t get this job I’m going to assume she’s not a likable person
 
Per ESPN Texas Tech fired Stollings for having a culture of abuse.
 
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Thursday night firing by Texas Tech after the hypocrites did an "investigation" that cleared her. An administration for whom "out of touch" really does not measure their stupidity.

Texas Tech fires coach Marlene Stollings amid abuse claims within women's basketball team

Coach Marlene Stollings was fired by Texas Tech on Thursday after players detailed abuse allegations in USA TODAY Sports.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com

www.si.com

Texas Tech Women's Basketball Coach Fired Amid Abuse Allegations

Marlene Stollings and her staff had recently been accused by current and former players of fostering a culture of abuse.
www.si.com www.si.com

Yeah there is a new thread but I don't see the point.

Texas Tech is now in the so richly deserved but unenviable position of having terminated Stollings for cause based on the same allegations that were involved in its oral report that had this AD exonerate her just weeks before. Caught out for the characterless mugs they are.
 
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j66kicker said:
One of the articles said her contract calls for her to get 75% of her remaining future salary if she is fired for cause. That's a pretty good contract - sounds like somebody on her side anticipated the possibility. In any case, it sounds like they can only get out of about $.75 million of the $2.9 million remaining contract, even if they fire her for cause. Surely the $$ wouldn't skew their objectivity, would it? :rolleyes:
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Journalist error? 75% if she is terminated without cause. With cause it's base compensation through termination date per USAToday article. Texas Tech fires coach Marlene Stollings amid abuse claims within women's basketball team
 
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I have a BY protocol question. I started a thread this AM noting the Texas Tech coach was fired, which was merged into this existing thread on the troubles with the program. Which is fine with me. But...I started a new thread so the firing news was obvious to readers, rather than buried in this thread. There have been threads on conjecture about Geno retiring. If he announced he will retire, would that news be added as comment #124 to the existing conjecture thread or treated as something new deserving it's own thread?
 
and one said:
I have a BY protocol question. I started a thread this AM noting the Texas Tech coach was fired, which was merged into this existing thread on the troubles with the program. Which is fine with me. But...I started a new thread so the firing news was obvious to readers, rather than buried in this thread. There have been threads on conjecture about Geno retiring. If he announced he will retire, would that news be added as comment #124 to the existing conjecture thread or treated as something new deserving it's own thread?
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BY would close down. :eek:
 
and one said:
I have a BY protocol question. I started a thread this AM noting the Texas Tech coach was fired, which was merged into this existing thread on the troubles with the program. Which is fine with me. But...I started a new thread so the firing news was obvious to readers, rather than buried in this thread. There have been threads on conjecture about Geno retiring. If he announced he will retire, would that news be added as comment #124 to the existing conjecture thread or treated as something new deserving it's own thread?
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Hey, get used to it as it happens. I actually started the Texas Tech thread on this first over in the General Board where it should reside, however this thread was created after mine on the main board and all comments are linked so it does seem logical to have only 1 thread about this jerk of a person.
 
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chrissaran said:
Kaili could hardly move. She had a soft touch and was an exceptional passer, but she was as slow as molasses. Someone posted years ago that she got herself in shape to play in Europe. Why not at UConn?
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The pay is better in Europe!

 
southie said:
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Any bets that each one of these coaches won't surface either this year or next at other wbb programs in spite of the damning and conclusive evidence of their improper and inappropriate behavior? :rolleyes:
 
Carnac said:
Any bets that the entire staff (separately) won't surface either this year or next at other another wbb programs in spite of the damning and conclusive evidence of their improper and inappropriate behavior? :rolleyes:
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you might want to reread and then edit your post-what's written is not what I think you intended.

Now the real irony here is that both Stollings and Dawkins seemed to be hell-bent on this conditioning component, yet I guess neither of them has a mirror in their house or office...just sayin' :rolleyes:
 
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I have a BY protocol question. I started a thread this AM noting the Texas Tech coach was fired, which was merged into this existing thread on the troubles with the program. Which is fine with me. But...I started a new thread so the firing news was obvious to readers, rather than buried in this thread. There have been threads on conjecture about Geno retiring. If he announced he will retire, would that news be added as comment #124 to the existing conjecture thread or treated as something new deserving it's own thread?
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No. There is a severe flaw in your rationale. Most people don't even know who the Texas Tech coach is or care that she has been fired therefore not worth of it's own thread. When Heather Macy resigned from Eastern Carolina that was at first buried in the Coaching Changes Thread and ECU was in the same conference as UCONN at the time. When @vowelguy got around to starting a thread about Macy stepping down it got maybe 50 post. There were a lot of people here crushing on Heather Macy too (allegedly).
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Thursday night firing by Texas Tech after the hypocrites did an "investigation" that cleared her. An administration for whom "out of touch" really does not measure their stupidity.

Texas Tech fires coach Marlene Stollings amid abuse claims within women's basketball team

Coach Marlene Stollings was fired by Texas Tech on Thursday after players detailed abuse allegations in USA TODAY Sports.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com

www.si.com

Texas Tech Women's Basketball Coach Fired Amid Abuse Allegations

Marlene Stollings and her staff had recently been accused by current and former players of fostering a culture of abuse.
www.si.com www.si.com

Yeah there is a new thread but I don't see the point.

Texas Tech is now in the so richly deserved but unenviable position of having terminated Stollings for cause based on the same allegations that were involved in its oral report that had this AD exonerate her just weeks before. Caught out for the characterless mugs they are.
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Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt said Marlene Stollings was fired "with cause" and they have no more financial obligation to her. You don't have to be Carnac (a seer) to have seen this coming. :D
 
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While chatting with my esteemed colleague @Plebe I did note to him that what still irritates the heck out of me on all the publishing of the Texas Tech record is how pathetic the opponents were that Stollings scheduled.

To wit-Marlene thinks she was building a "winning culture" at TT because she went from 14-17 her first year to 18-11 in this, her second. What the press clearly doesn't grasp and maybe neither do the AD's of the world, is this "improvement" was due to Marlene scheduling the EASIEST OOC schedule in all of the 351 schools. That's right, this years team played the easiest OOC of all D1 schools. Last year, her first, they played the 230th ranked schedule of 351. This year it was ranked #351. Here is the ranking of her 11 OOC opponents:
154; 336; 335; 339; 109; 301; 318; 306; 328; 349; 324
So, to anyone with a scintilla of common sense, she beat up on the infirm with a P5 team with oodles of resources and wants to claim a "winning culture"? Shame on all who report this and didn't call her out.

So yes, I am giddy this fraud of a coach and now a noted abuser is without a job. There are also social media posts by Minnesota and VCU players who claim this abuse occurred there as well. Both her and Dawkins should never be allowed to coach again.

Rant over...please proceed as you were. :(
 
DefenseBB said:
While chatting with my esteemed colleague @Plebe I did note to him that what still irritates the heck out of me on all the publishing of the Texas Tech record is how pathetic the opponents were that Stollings scheduled.

To wit-Marlene thinks she was building a "winning culture" at TT because she went from 14-17 her first year to 18-11 in this, her second. What the press clearly doesn't grasp and maybe neither do the AD's of the world, is this "improvement" was due to Marlene scheduling the EASIEST OOC schedule in all of the 351 schools. That's right, this years team played the easiest OOC of all D1 schools. Last year, her first, they played the 230th ranked schedule of 351. This year it was ranked #351. Here is the ranking of her 11 OOC opponents:
154; 336; 335; 339; 109; 301; 318; 306; 328; 349; 324
So, to anyone with a scintilla of common sense, she beat up on the infirm with a P5 team with oodles of resources and wants to claim a "winning culture"? Shame on all who report this and didn't call her out.

So yes, I am giddy this fraud of a coach and now a noted abuser is without a job. There are also social media posts by Minnesota and VCU players who claim this abuse occurred there as well. Both her and Dawkins should never be allowed to coach again.

Rant over...please proceed as you were. :(
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Oh no. I wanted to read more. It was just getting interesting.;)
 
DefenseBB said:
To wit-Marlene thinks she was building a "winning culture" at TT because she went from 14-17 her first year to 18-11 in this, her second. What the press clearly doesn't grasp and maybe neither do the AD's of the world, is this "improvement" was due to Marlene scheduling the EASIEST OOC schedule in all of the 351 schools. That's right, this years team played the easiest OOC of all D1 schools. Last year, her first, they played the 230th ranked schedule of 351. This year it was ranked #351. Here is the ranking of her 11 OOC opponents:
154; 336; 335; 339; 109; 301; 318; 306; 328; 349; 324
So, to anyone with a scintilla of common sense, she beat up on the infirm with a P5 team with oodles of resources and wants to claim a "winning culture"? Shame on all who report this and didn't call her out.
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Program success (or lack there of) has nothing to do with the topic at hand, why she was terminated.

That said although no P5 teams should rank last, the OOC can be used for multiple purposes, so I would be more interested in the conference record and eventually tournament success.

Here are the TT conference W/L for the last 3 seasons:
2017-18: 1-17
2018-19: 4-14 (her 1st season)
2019-20: 7-17 (her 2nd season)

Objectively I would define that as progress.
 
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