All-BEast Teams Announced

[tykurez]

Lamb on 1st team, Drummond on rookie.

http://instorrsnow.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/lamb-drummond-honored-by-big-east/

 

[tzznandrew]

Lamb on 1st team, Drummond on rookie.

http://instorrsnow.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/lamb-drummond-honored-by-big-east/

This can't be right. Lamb sucks and is lazy!

 

[UConn990411]

LOL at Scoop on the 2nd team - there's about a dozen guys who should have made it over him, including one on his own team. (And Shabazzz...not sure how he wasn't at least an HM.)

Moe Harkless will most likely win Rookie of the Year. That one is starting to hurt.

 

[Fishy]

Beating a dead horse...

Big East first team - Five seniors, one sophomore.
Big East second team - Two seniors, two juniors, one redshirt soph, freshman
Big East third team - Three seniors, one junior, one soph

Honorable mention - Three seniors, one soph, one freshman

I noticed a trend...

 

[mcs333]

Gibbs was the preseason player of the year and didn't make any of the teams. Also AO, Siva and Gates were Preseason 2nd team and didn't make any of the teams.

 

[bobbygt]

Gibbs was the preseason player of the year and didn't make any of the teams. Also AO, Siva and Gates were Preseason 2nd team and didn't make any of the teams.

I was never a big Gates fan.

Siva and AO certainly didn't improve as expected.

Going into the year, I would've thought AO, SN, and AD would be on one of the 1st-3rd or honorable mention teams.

There are just so many good players in the big east.

Guys who weren't on the radar and who excelled were Sims, Kilpatrick, Cooley, Theodore.

 

[freescooter]

Beating a dead horse...

Big East first team - Five seniors, one sophomore.
Big East second team - Two seniors, two juniors, one redshirt soph, freshman
Big East third team - Three seniors, one junior, one soph

Honorable mention - Three seniors, one soph, one freshman

I noticed a trend...

Much of that is political. A good player who has been around for 4 years is getting rewarded. Simple as that. I have to say I don't get Lamb. He disapears at critical moments. He did it again on Saturday. Until the 2 free throw in the closing seconds, he went 15 minutes without a point. He's a fine player but not 1st team all-conference guy that you can count on in clutch situations.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

Gates should be in prison. And someday I'm quite sure he will be. Still pisses me off that he could play in the game against us but Boat couldn't, unreal...

Turn the page, new season, new mojo. Depaul's going to take the brunt of it tomorrow, then WVU, then Cuse

 

[tzznandrew]

Much of that is political. A good player who has been around for 4 years is getting rewarded. Simple as that.

This is just an attempt to quickly dismiss the argument, despite it having no basis in reality.

Pick a player who shouldn't be on a team (perhaps Lamb shouldn't be First Team, but he should be on one of them), or a player who isn't on one that should be (Melvin is on a terrible team and I can't see him replacing anybody else--feel free to argue).

 

[freescooter]

Let's put it a different way...a good player who is a senior is going to be put there over a good player who is a freshman. I think you could make a case for pretty much anyone on any of these teams to replace anyone else, with the possible exception of Crowder. If somebody told you that Melvin made the 2nd team and Theodore was honorable mention would you try to burn down the Garden over it? I wouldn't. These thing are what they are...

 

[tzznandrew]

Let's put it a different way...a good player who is a senior is going to be put there over a good player who is a freshman. I think you could make a case for pretty much anyone on any of these teams to replace anyone else, with the possible exception of Crowder. If somebody told you that Melvin made the 2nd team and Theodore was honorable mention would you try to burn down the Garden over it? I wouldn't. These thing are what they are...

Melvin is your one example (and it is a fair one, although he was Honorable Mention, which Fishy included).

On all 5 teams:
13 Seniors
3 Juniors
4 Sophomores
2 Freshmen.

Rearrange the teams however you like to account for senior-slanted political bias, the point is that the bulk of the best players (16 out of 21) are upperclassmen.

 

[UConn990411]

I have to say I don't get Lamb. He disapears at critical moments. He did it again on Saturday. Until the 2 free throw in the closing seconds, he went 15 minutes without a point. He's a fine player but not 1st team all-conference guy that you can count on in clutch situations.

Um, wrong- he's on the team because there aren't six better guys in the Big East than him. Simple as that.

Many years, sure, Lamb might not belong on the First Team, but it's hard to argue that any of the guys on the Second (and certainly Third) team were better than him this year. And this is coming from one of Lamb's biggest critics on this board.

 

[freescooter]

Um, wrong- he's on the team because there aren't six better guys in the Big East than him. Simple as that.

Many years, sure, Lamb might not belong on the First Team, but it's hard to argue that any of the guys on the Second (and certainly Third) team were better than him this year. And this is coming from one of Lamb's biggest critics on this board.

There don't have to be 6 guys better than him...only needs to be 1. I'm too lazy to go back to the list, but I think you could make a case that there is one guy who deserved to be ranked ahead of him. Again, a very good player but to me he disappears far too often to be considered one of the top 5 in the Big East. With the game on the line, who takes the shots for UCONN? I'll give you a hint. Not the 1st team all conference guy. It is usually Shabazz. He did it against Tennesee. he did it against Villanova for the win. He did it against Pitt. In all those cases the 1st team all conference player was nowhere to be found.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

There don't have to be 6 guys better than him...only needs to be 1. I'm too lazy to go back to the list, but I think you could make a case that there is one guy who deserved to be ranked ahead of him. Again, a very good player but to me he disappears far too often to be considered one of the top 5 in the Big East.

If you're going to argue that Lamb doesn't deserve it, you have to back up the argument by naming a player that should be on the team instead of him.

 

[freescooter]

Malik Wayns of villanova. Comparable statistically with far less talent to help him out.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Beating a dead horse...

Big East first team - Five seniors, one sophomore.
Big East second team - Two seniors, two juniors, one redshirt soph, freshman
Big East third team - Three seniors, one junior, one soph

Honorable mention - Three seniors, one soph, one freshman

I noticed a trend...

What, that experience doesn't matter?!

 

[tzznandrew]

Malik Wayns of villanova. Comparable statistically with far less talent to help him out.

Wayns is a Junior (to Fishy's point about age being important). He was second team.

Do you think he was better than Lamb really? His team was 12-18--so any of your leadership questions are there for him as well.

He averaged 17.5 ppg on 42% shooting, 4.6 apg, 3 tpg (1.5 a/t), 3.7 rpg
Lamb: 17.6 on 48% shooting, 1.7 apg, 2 tpg (.8 a/t), 4.8 rpg--on a team with a winning regular season record.

Lamb was more efficient shooting and scoring. While his assists and a/t ratio were worse, he's supposed to be a scorer. He averaged over a rebound more per game from the guard possession.

I think Lamb is clearly the better player--at worst, its debatable.

And it seems to have little to do with politics.

 

[Fishy]

Let's put it a different way...a good player who is a senior is going to be put there over a good player who is a freshman. I think you could make a case for pretty much anyone on any of these teams to replace anyone else, with the possible exception of Crowder. If somebody told you that Melvin made the 2nd team and Theodore was honorable mention would you try to burn down the Garden over it? I wouldn't. These thing are what they are...

You, in particular, could make an argument, but it wouldn't be a good one.

The players who have made the all-Big East teams are largely upperclassmen. It's no accident that the players with the experience in the conference turned out to be, in fact, the best players in the conference.

That said, I don't think the one sophomore who made the first team was one of the top six players in the conference this year. The problem is that looking at the second and third team, I just can't say for certain who I would put up in Jeremy's place, but I'm just uncomfortable with what I saw on the court - I don't think he had a great year.