Airplane etiquette

[August_West]

C'mon ADub, it would be remiss to leave out a few too many class acts of all sorts of shapes and physical conditions sporting wife beaters.

they certainly do Just not on planes.


And these chad meathead losers arent wearing wife beaters is usually like sleeveless replica basketball jerseys or some work out wear deal.

 

[storrsroars]

Steer clear of Spirit, Allegiant, Republic, Frontier, JetBlue, Southwest, or even United, American, Delta, and Alaska . Worse, any Chinese airline, AirAsia, or the trash epitomized on the likes of Ryan Air, Vueling, EasyJet, likely Norwegian already or soon, et al. After arriving too late at Glasgow airport for a Belfast flight, here's a quality Glaswegian:

DAG... you speak Glaswegian? I'm impressed.

I once made the mistake of buying a guy a beer in a pub in Glasgow. Guy followed me around rest of the night like a homeless puppy and wouldn't shut up. I know he was supposedly speaking "English" but damned if I could make out more than 1 in 10 words.

 

[storrsroars]

So on my trip home at the end of last week I further studied the tank top, flip flop, shorts phenomenon.

It seems that meat heads (You know, work out chad bros) are the offenders of this travesty of airline etiquette. While I have no issue with people taking care of themselves in a gym, and admire and envy it in some small way, the culture these idiots subscribe to sickens me to no end.

Fatties, hippies, uglies, punks, yuppies, 1%'ers, no other demographic deigns to ruin peoples flights like weight lifting meatheads.

Next time you guys are in an airport you will now notice and see how right I am.

Not out of red eyes from Vegas or any flights from Orlando.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Not out of red eyes from Vegas or any flights from Orlando.

Nor to/from PGH, your one time Steel City now solidly diversified city. Sorry, not much Glaswegian.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

they certainly do Just not on planes. And these chad meathead losers arent wearing wife beaters is usually like sleeveless replica basketball jerseys or some work out wear deal.

Au contraire, they certainly do in planes and airports alike. And, they're absolutely not all replica hoop jerseys. Go a bit south of the Mason-Dixon line, further SW of storrsroars' PGH, or on Vemo/YouTube and they're out there, e.g., transiting via ATL, CLT, DFW, IAH, DIA, SLC, and particularly on Southwest, Spirit, Alliance & other budget airlines. Actually, it's surprising you saw none at DTW.

 

[storrsroars]

Nor to/from PGH, your one time Steel City now solidly diversified city.

Well, we're not a basketball town...

But if you're on a flight to/from here and there isn't one unshaven fat guy wearing a Steelers jersey or Pens sweater and cargo shorts, you are on a unicorn flight.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

But if you're on a flight to/from here and there isn't one unshaven fat guy wearing a Steelers jersey or Pens sweater and cargo shorts, you are on a unicorn flight.

Hey, my implied reference to Mountaineers' fans was a failed benefit of the doubt. Then, I recalled Morgantown's actually more south than SW of Pittsburgh and PIT.

 

[Travelman6]

Steer clear of Spirit, Allegiant, Republic, Frontier, JetBlue, Southwest, or even United, American, Delta, and Alaska . Worse, any Chinese airline, AirAsia, or the trash epitomized on the likes of Ryan Air, Vueling, EasyJet, likely Norwegian already or soon, et al. After arriving too late at Glasgow airport for a Belfast flight, here's a quality Glaswegian:

Ryanair is a great airline if you want a roundtrip to a nearby city for the weekend on short notice. Never had an issue with them, but maybe they have gotten worse since I last used them in, like, 2009. I know one gripe ppl might have is they tend to use lesser known airports far outside the city, but that has always been well known. Easyjet I used once or twice, no memories.

I used AirAsia in 2010 and 2011 and they were fine as well at that time, though maybe they have gotten worse or I was lucky. I had no issue with the price from Tianjin to Kuala Lumpur either, that is for sure, as it was 100s cheaper than any other option and allowed me to see Southeast Asia for 10 weeks when I otherwise would not have been able to as a poor recent college grad.

Spirit, used once, no issue, to Bogota, though they are not THAT much cheaper most of the time.

There is, as of now, a dearth of good airlines in the USA, sadly. SW, UA, Delta and their ilk are all awful especially considering the price you pay and the service you get but that is well known at this point. No issues with jetblue though, but they should probably stop claiming they are a discount carrier as their prices tend to be very similar to the other major carriers. Not sure I have ever heard of Alaska.

my fave airlines are Icelandair, Aerlingus, Turkish Airlines and Air France, at least those are my fave now but again, things always change.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

AirAsia, Spirit, RyanAir: ranked diarrhea-blast to less shiitey bad, but all rubbish. Inexplicably, some purported humans prefer airlines with known reps for flying older jets, sometimes of lesser maintenance standards than more respected airlines, prefer lower compensated pilots typically with less experience or those who never made the cut with more respected airlines, like negligible leg room, enjoy flying with other trashy people, etc. Or, a traveler's just patently cheap and saving a few shekels may be a higher priority than one's general comfort and potentially life.

Alaska: Aside from an Alaska sub's widely reported Sea-Tac ground crew guy gone wacko stealing a Q400 turbo prop in August, then barrel rolling over Puget Sound and dive bombing himself and plane into an island, ASA's the 5th largest US airline by both passengers flown and fleet size. More importantly, ASA's been widely respected as the overall top-ranked US airline for several years straight. Sadly, the latter's not the highest hurdle.

Good airlines: Sing, Cathay, Thai, Etihad, Emirates (apparently not so much on yesterday's Dubai-JFK flu flight) ... legit Lufthansa and BA flights (not a partner's flight) on good days, Japan and ANA on good days

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Ah, flying, I travel a bit for work and have so many stories about both airlines and people who fly them

• A woman sneaked onto an American plane at BOS and plane technicians had to literally dismantle the bathroom to get her screaming arse off the plane.
• A Mom during an approach into PHL on US Airways in a blizzard grabbed her daughter's portable potty and put it down in the isle isle swearing at the crew that 'she was not stopping X's potty training for nothing' and as soon as the little girl's business was done.
• On a Continental flight from EWR to BOS, I made a flight change at the last minute and rushed the ticket counter ticketing area to my seat on a 737 only to realize after I sat down that they gave me a ticket for a different passenger that did not match my driver's license and that I had gone all the way through security with it
• On another United flight from LHR to EWR on a big 767, at the last second on approach, the plane diverted to the short 6,700 foot East/West runway instead of the main 10,000 foot North/South runway, as I exited the plane I ran into the pilot and told him I did not know a big jet could land on the East/West runway, he looked around and whispered, 'neither did I.'
• Lading at BWI on Southwest, everyone is out of their seat long before the seat belt sign goes off, so the pilot announces to everyone that he has a monitor showing who got up to early and ejected all of their luggage onto the runway, it was amazing to see who many people drove for the nearest window to look
• On a Continental flight from IAH to BOS, we circle the Dallas area to drop fuel because of a mechanical issue that may require an emergency landing only for it to be declared 'fixed' two hours later while still in the air; but, we land in CLE as we used up too much fuel and they decided to have us change planes anyway for cautionary reasons
• While changing flight in IAH on my way from MEX to YYZ, a posh, upper class gentleman from Mexico in US customs pushes his way forward and literally push one lady in a wheelchair out of his way and kicks the cane out of her (assumed) husband's hands declaring his is too important to wait in this line. Two other gentleman and I turn around and face him and he tries to push and curse his way past us until the TSA agents coming up from behind him agree that is too much of an arse to wait in this line and escort him back from some TLC
• Going from SFO to ORD on United with a 2 hour unexpected stop in DEN where the flight was met by some nice men and women from the Denver SWAT team who escorted an idiot off the plan, who was in the row behind me, who had combined a bottle of vodka with a bottle of Xanax decided to get up early in the flight, tried to smoke a joint in the bathroom and then started to strip naked while running down the isle screaming that he was going to crash the plan and kill us all (after 9/11).
• For work because the CEO of a former employer only allowed other C-Suite Executives to fly business, sitting int he last row in coach of a fully loaded United 777-ER for a 17 hour direct flight from BOM to EWR that featured 4 hours of strong turbulence due to effect of a Typhoon rolling into the Himalayas while flying over Afghanistan and Pakistan, which was apparently safer than flying a more westerly route over the Ukraine at the time

 

[storrsroars]

AirAsia, Spirit, RyanAir: ranked diarrhea-blast to less shiitey bad, but all rubbish. Inexplicably, some purported humans prefer airlines with known reps for flying older jets, sometimes of lesser maintenance standards than more respected airlines, prefer lower compensated pilots typically with less experience or those who never made the cut with more respected airlines, like negligible leg room, enjoy flying with other trashy people, etc. Or, a traveler's just patently cheap and saving a few shekels may be a higher priority than one's general comfort and potentially life.

I've never flown RyanAir, but when I was working in Bulgaria, they were running a one way fare equivalent to $29.00 between London and Sofia which was packed full of teenage and college kids each weekend for skiing the local mountains, which were much cheaper to ski than France, Switz or Austria.

I suppose today it's probably more expense for the skis to travel than the person.

 

[polycom]

@August_West at DTW yesterday I didn't see anything crazy.

 

[August_West]

@August_West at DTW yesterday I didn't see anything crazy.

heat is down

 

[8893]

Took Ryan Air with the family for flights from Cardiff to Dublin and from Shannon to London two summers ago. Ridiculously cheap and no problems whatsoever. Clean, pleasant, on-time and a reasonable amount of room for a short flight (coming from someone who is notoriously complaining about not having enough room). Would absolutely use them again for the same purpose.

 

[Travelman6]

Ah, flying, I travel a bit for work and have so many stories about both airlines and people who fly them

• While changing flight in IAH on my way from MEX to YYZ, a posh, upper class gentleman from Mexico in US customs pushes his way forward and literally push one lady in a wheelchair out of his way and kicks the cane out of her (assumed) husband's hands declaring his is too important to wait in this line. Two other gentleman and I turn around and face him and he tries to push and curse his way past us until the TSA agents coming up from behind him agree that is too much of an arse to wait in this line and escort him back from some TLC

That is a pity. So far, everyone I have met in Mexico during my two week vacation in 2014 and my two months currently (I arrived on July 10th and I have been here until today and will remain for at least another 9 or 10 months) have been super nice and accommodating and very polite. I like the co-workers I have gotten to know (at my new job) and find Mexicans to be considerate people. I would say that idiot was an outlier and I hope he did not leave a sour taste in other Americans mouths, so to speak or leave them with negative impressions of the typical Mexican person.

Granted that is "only" a total of 10 weeks direct experience with people of Mexico so far but it is more than likely 99.8% of Americans and I think it paints a good picture. Surely better than that a$$h@t.

Took Ryan Air with the family for flights from Cardiff to Dublin and from Shannon to London two summers ago. Ridiculously cheap and no problems whatsoever. Clean, pleasant, on-time and a reasonable amount of room for a short flight (coming from someone who is notoriously complaining about not having enough room). Would absolutely use them again for the same purpose.

Ditto. I would not explain that airline as being diarrhea blast or whatever. For what it is it is fine. On some routes it is a 50 euro or less ticket on ryanair or 100s of euros on a "better" airline. Some people are young, don't have a lot of money but still want a vacation and have to budget, etc. No reason to judge a person for taking ryanair or trying to look down on them for their reasons for taking it. I used it to go to Italy and Spain and if I recall, Morocco too and it was a great option for a 23 year old fresh out of UNI with the usury student debt I was soon to be burdened with.

 

[storrsroars]

That is a pity. So far, everyone I have met in Mexico during my two week vacation in 2014 and my two months currently (I arrived on July 10th and I have been here until today and will remain for at least another 9 or 10 months) have been super nice and accommodating and very polite. I like the co-workers I have gotten to know (at my new job) and find Mexicans to be considerate people. I would say that idiot was an outlier and I hope he did not leave a sour taste in other Americans mouths, so to speak or leave them with negative impressions of the typical Mexican person.

Granted that is "only" a total of 10 weeks direct experience with people of Mexico so far but it is more than likely 99.8% of Americans and I think it paints a good picture. Surely better than that a$$h@t.

Hope you're safe, wherever you are. It's a lot more dangerous there now than it was when I lived there in the early 90s. But you're right - I lived in the D.F. for a year+ and met pretty much only wonderful people. Most of the s I encountered there were non-Mexicans on business. The average (not working for a cartel) Mexican is very courteous, respectful of authority and family oriented. Will go out of their way to help you. Extremely hard working people and very industrious when faced with tasks that we in the US take for granted due to availability of specialized machinery.

I remember fearing for a guy's life when I was having a washer & dryer installed in utility room via the roof. There was no crane, just three guys and a rope. Guy at the bottom wrapped rope around the machine, guy at the far end pulled it up. Guy in the middle had the rope wrapped around him and belayed. If either end guy slipped up, guy in middle might've been cut in two... you won't see nortes doing that kind of thing!

Enjoy your time there. I loved it and still think fondly of the place even though it got really dicey the last few weeks I was there.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Hope you're safe, wherever you are. It's a lot more dangerous there now than it was when I lived there in the early 90s. But you're right - I lived in the D.F. for a year+ and met pretty much only wonderful people. Most of the s I encountered there were non-Mexicans on business. The average (not working for a cartel) Mexican is very courteous, respectful of authority and family oriented. Will go out of their way to help you. Extremely hard working people and very industrious when faced with tasks that we in the US take for granted due to availability of specialized machinery.

I remember fearing for a guy's life when I was having a washer & dryer installed in utility room via the roof. There was no crane, just three guys and a rope. Guy at the bottom wrapped rope around the machine, guy at the far end pulled it up. Guy in the middle had the rope wrapped around him and belayed. If either end guy slipped up, guy in middle might've been cut in two... you won't see nortes doing that kind of thing!

Enjoy your time there. I loved it and still think fondly of the place even though it got really dicey the last few weeks I was there.

I spent a year flying back and forth to Mexico City for work a while ago. Nearly all of the people I met were great and I learned about the country, people, culture, and most importantly food. That said, even the locals pointed out a certain sect of the population that thinks they are better than everyone else, especially during our day drive back and forth on Paseo de la Reforma going between the hotel (usually the JW Marriott) and the office in Palo Alto (not CA). Many countries have the same group.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Ah, flying, I travel a bit for work and have so many stories about both airlines and people who fly them

• A woman sneaked onto an American plane at BOS and plane technicians had to literally dismantle the bathroom to get her screaming arse off the plane.
• For work because the CEO of a former employer only allowed other C-Suite Executives to fly business, sitting int he last row in coach of a fully loaded United 777-ER for a 17 hour direct flight from BOM to EWR that featured 4 hours of strong turbulence due to effect of a Typhoon rolling into the Himalayas while flying over Afghanistan and Pakistan, which was apparently safer than flying a more westerly route over the Ukraine at the time

Strange one with the bathroom door. Via an outside slide lock located under a metal cover plate, commercial jet bathrooms are supposed to be easily accessed. Passengers aren't supposed to know.

BOM-EWR flight: Hopefully you quit working for the barstad CEO and company soon after, but how or why the heck did you ever accept a back-row steerage seat from the company's travel coordinators? Or failing that, individually move your seat online long prior to departure? Setting aside the lengthy flight and dearth of leg room in steerage and immovable last row seats, just sitting so close to the crapper on BOM-EWR must have been brutal. Yikes!

 

[CL82]

That is a pity. So far, everyone I have met in Mexico during my two week vacation in 2014 and my two months currently (I arrived on July 10th and I have been here until today and will remain for at least another 9 or 10 months) have been super nice and accommodating and very polite. I like the co-workers I have gotten to know (at my new job) and find Mexicans to be considerate people. I would say that idiot was an outlier and I hope he did not leave a sour taste in other Americans mouths, so to speak or leave them with negative impressions of the typical Mexican person.

Granted that is "only" a total of 10 weeks direct experience with people of Mexico so far but it is more than likely 99.8% of Americans and I think it paints a good picture. Surely better than that a$$h@t.

My experiences in Mexico have been much the same. More often that not though the way people treat you is a mirror. Courteous behavior is generally reciprocated.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Took Ryan Air with the family for flights ...

Ah, the luck of your Irish. Good on ya, youts on a budget, and droves of sh|t faced holidayers on those exceptions. I'll do my best to avoid the airline, its' disgruntled under compensated pilots, and way too many boozed up holidayers.

 

[storrsroars]

I spent a year flying back and forth to Mexico City for work a while ago. Nearly all of the people I met were great and I learned about the country, people, culture, and most importantly food. That said, even the locals pointed out a certain sect of the population that thinks they are better than everyone else, especially during our day drive back and forth on Paseo de la Reforma going between the hotel (usually the JW Marriot) and the office in Palo Alto (not CA). Many countries have the same group.

They're called "Chilangos", which basically means "Mexico City a-whole". And I have custom engraved desk plaque citing me as "un Chilango honorario"!

Or Argentinians, lol. Apparently Mexicans find Argentinians (at least those from BA) more snobbish than US folks find French to be.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

They're called "Chilangos", which basically means "Mexico City a-whole". And I have custom engraved desk plaque citing me as "un Chilango honorario"!

Or Argentinians, lol. Apparently Mexicans find Argentinians (at least those from BA) more snobbish than US folks find French to be.

I learn something new every day, thanks.

PS - I lived in France for a while and there is a distinct difference in culture and attitude between French folks and Parisian folks. Parisians given the French a bad name.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Strange one with the bathroom door. Via an outside slide lock located under a metal cover plate, commercial jet bathrooms are supposed to be easily accessed. Passengers aren't supposed to know.

BOM-EWR flight: Hopefully you quit working for the barstad CEO and company soon after, but how or why the heck did you ever accept a back-row steerage seat from the company's travel coordinators? Or failing that, individually move your seat online long prior to departure? Setting aside the lengthy flight and dearth of leg room in steerage and immovable last row seats, just sitting so close to the crapper on BOM-EWR must have been brutal. Yikes!

It was one of those regional (Brazilian or Canadian) jets, maybe that makes a difference? All I know is that it took power tools to get her out of the bathroom.

The CEO was a piece of work. Wanted to change the company; but, protect his people and his wallet. I was brought on board by the CHRO who I knew for a while back. Didn't work well as over Christmas dinner he told the CEO to F-off over some critical change management issues. He left a few weeks later. I was gone a few months after. As for travel, it was a huge issue internally. At one point, the travel 'leader,' the company's 3rd in less than a year, told me that too many people with bona fide disability were requesting to fly business class due to their medical issue and asked me to write a new policy that banned such exceptions. I had to carefully explain what ADA is and that its the freaking law.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

PS - I lived in France for a while and there is a distinct difference in culture and attitude between French folks and Parisian folks. Parisians given the French a bad name.

And, a few too many porteños (Buenos Aires residents) versus most other Argentinos, some New Yorkers versus many Yanks, some Londoners versus other Englishmen (and non-English residents of the UK), even and increasing # of many legitimate Shanghai and Beijing natives versus other Chinese, etc

 

[8893]

Ah, the luck of your Irish. Good on ya, youts on a budget, and droves of sh|t faced holidayers on those exceptions. I'll do my best to avoid the airline, its' disgruntled under compensated pilots, and way too many boozed up holidayers.

Perhaps our 7:00 a.m. flight time minimized that risk. Didn't have any of those issues at all.