ACC/MD Settlement

[btstimpy]

The ACC is garbage in the one sport that matters when it comes to TV contracts. Sorry, basketball doesn't get it done. The B1G may not be the best of the best when it comes to football, but it makes up for that in terms of number of customers. In other words they are huge schools with some of the largest alumni bases in the country.

The only thing I can respond to that with is that the ACC has the current national champion in football, has the Heisman Trophy winner, had 11 schools with winning records in 2013 (the most of any conference since the 1930s), had 11 bowl teams in 2013 (most by any conference ever), had 42 players drafted by the NFL from 13 schools in 2014 (second only to the SEC's 48), and will be including Notre Dame on the schedule starting this season. You can call it garbage. I'll be watching it.

 

[NickyNewark]

It has nothing to do with ISU being a good fit or not and everything to do with the fact that they would add zero value to any B1G Contract. You already knew that though.

The guys an arrogant buffon who tried passing off that Temple would be/bring more value than NJU in CR in one of his 1st posts and I havent respected a word he's said since...hes an ACC shill who plays like he's a UConn booster then knocks them on SU's board(another board he trolls)...I watch his posts for laughs..comical.

 

[Plains&Lakes]

I have mentioned Kansas and Missouri as well. If you want your football team to play Charlie Weiss and his team, that's just fine. There is nothing wrong with ISU though. It's in the B1G footprint, rivals with Iowa, and AAU. It's a perfect cultural fit. Their football team doesn't lose to Kansas either. They deserve a good home with rivals like Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska.

I agree that ISU is a solid academic school in the AAU, with a compatible culture, in the right general area. But as you well know, they are in the same state as Iowa so the extra TV money is not there. If ISU was in a separate state called "Central Iowa" or "Western Iowa" and the University of Iowa was in "Eastern Iowa", there would be Big Ten and other parties justifiably singing ISU's praises. Your analytical points are well taken and spot on.

 

[Plains&Lakes]

My point is that if a school deems $31M as "doable", then they might be willing to challenge the GOR. As Fishy said in this thread or another (I don't remember which), there has yet to be a conference to stick the entire set of exit terms to a departing school. Someone will challenge a GOR at some point. The playbook: we signed it under duress. There's no way definitive way to prove, one way or the other, something so vague as "duress".

Who know, that someone might even be your VT. Personally, I would love a VT/UCONN combo to the B1G. More markets, more football recruiting, more hoops recruiting, and solid academics. Non AAU but close in both cases. VT a little closer than UCONN.

I agree. Here is how I look at it: There is now closure in the Maryland case. The ACC teams have now seen precedent if not prophesy (they have an idea, but not a guarantee of how the exit fee would work). The settled case seems to present an opportunity for the potentially interested ACC teams to show some interest, but not for the Big Ten to move in. This may take some time to be realized (potentially years) or even not at all.

It will be interesting to get feedback of where the Big Ten's overtures are outside of the ACC. If there are a few of those soon running, that may be the surest sign through inference that the ACC teams are all afraid and/or uninterested. My intuition is telling me that the Big Ten will at least try to add 2 teams before the contract negotiations. With UConn as likely join, they only need one. I absolutely would not bet against the Big Ten finding that one.

 

[TRest]

The guys an arrogant buffon who tried passing off that Temple would be/bring more value than NJU in CR in one of his 1st posts and I havent respected a word he's said since...hes an ACC shill who plays like he's a UConn booster then knocks them on SU's board(another board he trolls)...I watch his posts for laughs..comical.

Yeah, we get a lot of faux UConn boosters on this board.

 

[Dooley]

By the way, the floor in the AAC is $11.5 million. The Louisville settlement set the floor. Rutgers was able to also settle on the same floor. Some of the others that never made it all the way in like Boise State, San Diego State, and TCU paid less, but they are exceptions. The $11.5 million will be the floor for UConn.

The difference between what we're talking about with MD/ACC and RU/UL leaving the Big East is that the Big East also has a 27 month exit waiting period. RU/UL paid more than the Big East/AAC's established $10M exit fee in order to leave earlier than the required 27 months. The "floor" is $10M for the Big East/AAC if a school is willing to wait the full 27 months...something that UCONN may be willing to do.

 

[btstimpy]

The guys an arrogant buffon who tried passing off that Temple would be/bring more value than NJU in CR in one of his 1st posts and I havent respected a word he's said since...hes an ACC shill who plays like he's a UConn booster then knocks them on SU's board(another board he trolls)...I watch his posts for laughs..comical.

I do think Temple brings more value than Rutgers or at least the same. Temple is one of the top 10 winningest basketball programs in college basketball history. I showed you the Rutgers-Louisville basketball game in the 2014 AAC tournament for you to get a perspective of Rutgers basketball. Temple's football program has accomplished about equal to what Rutgers has which isn't much. Given all of that, Temple would be about the same kind of addition. I'm not sure that the ACC would want them because like Rutgers the football isn't great. It would be a similar work in progress. And I have done nothing but promote UConn to the Syracuse faithful as well as here with the UConn faithful. You are confusing with someone else in that regard.

 

[btstimpy]

The difference between what we're talking about with MD/ACC and RU/UL leaving the Big East is that the Big East also has a 27 month exit waiting period. RU/UL paid more than the Big East/AAC's established $10M exit fee in order to leave earlier than the required 27 months. The "floor" is $10M for the Big East/AAC if a school is willing to wait the full 27 months...something that UCONN may be willing to do.

Ok. For a little extra most have broken the 27 months and gone for 2 seasons. WVU spent more to get out after 1 season. I was just inferring that the AAC has shown what it will accept as a minimum.

 

[btstimpy]

I agree that ISU is a solid academic school in the AAU, with a compatible culture, in the right general area. But as you well know, they are in the same state as Iowa so the extra TV money is not there. If ISU was in a separate state called "Central Iowa" or "Western Iowa" and the University of Iowa was in "Eastern Iowa", there would be Big Ten and other parties justifiably singing ISU's praises. Your analytical points are well taken and spot on.

I understand why the Big Ten Network would not be interested. But the Big Ten Athletic Conference and Committee on Institutional Cooperation should be interested in Iowa State. They meet all the criteria of those parties and are located right in the geographical footprint and fit perfectly culturally. One member, Iowa is also getting tremendous pressure to sponsor them as well according to E. Gordon Gee within their state. But with the BTN driving the bus, the conference will do unnatural things instead. We are now observing it. That was my only point.

 

[kibblesnbits]

In the cable subscriber game you get all the subscribers in a state if you get carriage. Fewer follow Maryland or Rutgers in their home states than Louisville in theirs, but the Big Ten took them both anyway. Why is that? Cable subscribers in those states. Oddly enough Pittsburgh gives the ACC access to all the subscribers in Philadelphia as much as Penn State does. I find that odd, but Pitt is in the same state. That's how subscriber contracts work.

I don't want Cincinnati in the ACC because I like sticking with the East, but there are several cable subscribers in Ohio. The Big Ten Network has now taught everyone this game, and ESPN was able to play it perfectly with the SEC Network. The ACC Network will get to take advantage of that experience that ESPN has, and the ACC and SEC will cooperate to make both channels successes across the entire footprint of both conferences combined. Put Notre Dame football content on the ACC Channel and anything is possible. This is my prediction, and it's actually an educated guess.

If the ACC wants back in Baltimore/Maryland market, we can add Navy. They have already inquired and Notre Dame and UVA are already willing sponsors. The ACC isn't in expansion mode though yet. There are many other things the league is working on at the moment. The ACC already has the DC market DMA. The basketball tournament is headed there, and VT and WVU are scheduled to play football there. It will now share it with the Big Ten.

The bright side for UConn is that with a thriving ACC, there will be two P5 options for UConn down the road if either should expand. UConn is a good candidate for both. You shouldn't want the Big Ten to be your only option although I know having been here a while, it is your preferred option. The Big XII is also an option I guess, but not a really good one due to distance. I do believe that there will be some more expansion during the decade.

You seem to be under the delusion that just because a conference has a school in a state that cable systems in that state have to agree to statewide carriage. That only happens with leverage like having a flagship with a powerful statewide following. You are kidding yourself if you think Pittsburgh has pull that strong. That's only marginally less absurd than the AAC adding Buffalo and saying, "Let's start a network because we'll get all of NY."

As for Louisville versus MD/Rutgers, not only is Louisville #2 in its home state (albeit one of the strongest of all #2s), but KY has a much smaller population than the other two with much, much weaker demographics.

 

[btstimpy]

You seem to be under the delusion that just because a conference has a school in a state that cable systems in that state have to agree to statewide carriage. That only happens with leverage like having a flagship with a powerful statewide following. You are kidding yourself if you think Pittsburgh has pull that strong. That's only marginally less absurd than the AAC adding Buffalo and saying, "Let's start a network because we'll get all of NY."

As for Louisville versus MD/Rutgers, not only is Louisville #2 in its home state (albeit one of the strongest of all #2s), but KY has a much smaller population than the other two with much, much weaker demographics.

I'm not under any delusion. I'm being told this by an employee of Comcast who is in Philadelphia and negotiates these subscriber contracts. The rates are statewide. Comcast could elect not to carry the channel, but some Comcast customers in Pennsylvania might want to see Notre Dame play Pitt. Comcast will have to determine this.

 

[Fishy]

I'm not under any delusion. I'm being told this by an employee of Comcast who is in Philadelphia and negotiates these subscriber contracts. The rates are statewide. Comcast could elect not to carry the channel, but some Comcast customers in Pennsylvania might want to see Notre Dame play Pitt. Comcast will have to determine this.

Sure.

I can only imagine the outrage of the 12 Pitt fans in Philly over not being able to see that Notre Dame - Pitt game every sixth year.

 

[btstimpy]

Sure.

I can only imagine the outrage of the 12 Pitt fans in Philly over not being able to see that Notre Dame - Pitt game every sixth year.

LOL. I just picked one example. Or the ND fans in Philly not being able to see it either.

 

[XOVERX]

Yeah, we get a lot of faux UConn boosters on this board.

Lol. This could describe me and probably does.

My fear is that UConn joins the ACC, and is therefore unavailable when the B1G expands to 16, 18, or 20.

I foresee the next round of B1G expansion to include one, or all three, from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

There needs to be UConn available to close out the north end of the NE Corridor, plus the 3 B12 schools are an odd number and there needs to be an even number.

So ... I am decidedly for UConn in the B1G, but am rooting against UConn in the ACC.

I know ya'll just want the heck out of the AAC.

Now that MY-ACC is settled, we'll soon see if the B1G's long-rumored "Plan A" - expansion with ACC schools along the eastern seaboard - comes to fruition, or whether the B1G has to wait on "Plan B" - hemming in the SEC on the western prairies via Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

My personal opinion is that Plan B will be the next play - and UConn needs to be there for Plan B to work itself out. If Texas ever joined the B1G, I would sure like to see UConn there.

 

[uconnell]

^^^^^^^. Perhaps Delany would consider clueing in some schools, on the super secret QT of course. The poor can't be too fussy.

 

[Ldandy]

The things you learn on this board never cease to amaze me. Temple, a city school with limited appeal in its own city, is a better add than the flagship school of a state of nearly 10 million people. Philadelphians who at worst loathe all things Pittsburgh related and at best are completely indifferent, would clamor to their cable operators to carry The ACCN in order to watch third tier garbage Pitt Games. I buy this.

 

[NickyNewark]

I do think Temple brings more value than Rutgers or at least the same. Temple is one of the top 10 winningest basketball programs in college basketball history. I showed you the Rutgers-Louisville basketball game in the 2014 AAC tournament for you to get a perspective of Rutgers basketball. Temple's football program has accomplished about equal to what Rutgers has which isn't much. Given all of that, Temple would be about the same kind of addition. I'm not sure that the ACC would want them because like Rutgers the football isn't great. It would be a similar work in progress. And I have done nothing but promote UConn to the Syracuse faithful as well as here with the UConn faithful. You are confusing with someone else in that regard.

Since when has BB moved CR? Temple FB about equal? So when RU puts more fans in a Temples homegame than Temple because there that popular the B1G should consider them? How many FB recruits does Temple/Philly bring? TVs? I love and pull for Temple but can't imagine there even good enough to be vetted for the P5 and yet their fans think there ACC bound. Stimp you're nutz. I agree they(Temple) fit the ACC profile of mainly small regional privates(with only a NC/Va footprint) as RU as you know preferred the AAC to the ACC!

 

[NickyNewark]

The things you learn on this board never cease to amaze me. Temple, a city school with limited appeal in its own city, is a better add than the flagship school of a state of nearly 10 million people. Philadelphians who at worst loathe all things Pittsburgh related and at best are completely indifferent, would clamor to their cable operators to carry The ACCN in order to watch third tier garbage Pitt Games. I buy this.

StimpyCuse is absolutely delusional and i can't believe he believes his own bs!?! Talk about nutso.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Sure.

I can only imagine the outrage of the 12 Pitt fans in Philly over not being able to see that Notre Dame - Pitt game every sixth year.

True, but any hypothetical ACC network would be bundled with all ESPN channels which losing would piss a lot people off

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Lol. This could describe me and probably does.

My fear is that UConn joins the ACC, and is therefore unavailable when the B1G expands to 16, 18, or 20.

I foresee the next round of B1G expansion to include one, or all three, from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

There needs to be UConn available to close out the north end of the NE Corridor, plus the 3 B12 schools are an odd number and there needs to be an even number.

So ... I am decidedly for UConn in the B1G, but am rooting against UConn in the ACC.

I know ya'll just want the heck out of the AAC.

Now that MY-ACC is settled, we'll soon see if the B1G's long-rumored "Plan A" - expansion with ACC schools along the eastern seaboard - comes to fruition, or whether the B1G has to wait on "Plan B" - hemming in the SEC on the western prairies via Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

My personal opinion is that Plan B will be the next play - and UConn needs to be there for Plan B to work itself out. If Texas ever joined the B1G, I would sure like to see UConn there.

I don't see how any of that makes you a "faux" supporter.

 

[dayooper]

True, but any hypothetical ACC network would be bundled with all ESPN channels which losing would piss a lot people off

I doubt that they would sacrifice ESPN and ESPN2 to force The ACCN. ESPNU? Probably, but how many people would clamor over ESPNU? I think taking away The SECN in Big10 country wouldn't work either.

 

[btstimpy]

Lol. This could describe me and probably does.

My fear is that UConn joins the ACC, and is therefore unavailable when the B1G expands to 16, 18, or 20.

I foresee the next round of B1G expansion to include one, or all three, from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

There needs to be UConn available to close out the north end of the NE Corridor, plus the 3 B12 schools are an odd number and there needs to be an even number.

So ... I am decidedly for UConn in the B1G, but am rooting against UConn in the ACC.

I know ya'll just want the heck out of the AAC.

Now that MY-ACC is settled, we'll soon see if the B1G's long-rumored "Plan A" - expansion with ACC schools along the eastern seaboard - comes to fruition, or whether the B1G has to wait on "Plan B" - hemming in the SEC on the western prairies via Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

My personal opinion is that Plan B will be the next play - and UConn needs to be there for Plan B to work itself out. If Texas ever joined the B1G, I would sure like to see UConn there.

Keep in mind something when referring to Texas. The second most important sport at Texas is baseball behind football. Texas has been to the college world series more than any school I believe with 35 appearances. They would have to take their baseball program independent should they join the B1G. Any Texas AD or President that would try to take that baseball program into the B1G would be hanging from the Tower at UT-Austin by his testicles within 24 hours of doing so or some other body part if female. There would be mutiny on the bounty like you wouldn't believe. Miami had its baseball team independent when they were in the Big East. They will tell you that being in a good baseball league is more fun.

With the SEC, PAC12, and ACC all being good baseball conferences and just as good or better than the B1G in football, Texas would have to be rejected by three other conferences before settling on the B1G. The Longhorn Network is the biggest issue affecting where Texas would move in any regard. Oklahoma and Kansas are viable options for the B1G though, and I'm sure that the B1G has probably vetted them both.

 

[dayooper]

Keep in mind something when referring to Texas. The second most important sport at Texas is baseball behind football. Texas has been to the college world series more than any school I believe with 35 appearances. They would have to take their baseball program independent should they join the B1G. Any Texas AD or President that would try to take that baseball program into the B1G would be hanging from the Tower at UT-Austin by his testicles within 24 hours of doing so or some other body part if female. There would be mutiny on the bounty like you wouldn't believe. Miami had its baseball team independent when they were in the Big East. They will tell you that being in a good baseball league is more fun.

With the SEC, PAC12, and ACC all being good baseball conferences and just as good or better than the B1G in football, Texas would have to be rejected by three other conferences before settling on the B1G. The Longhorn Network is the biggest issue affecting where Texas would move in any regard. Oklahoma and Kansas are viable options for the B1G though, and I'm sure that the B1G has probably vetted them both.

The baseball thing will not stop any school to move. Either Texas would be an independent or they will be a partial member. I also don't think that The LHN would stop The Big10 from admitting Texas. The main media money is where the ratings and, therefore the money is.

Completely agree with you on OU and KU, though.

 

[Dooley]

Sure.

I can only imagine the outrage of the 12 Pitt fans in Philly over not being able to see that Notre Dame - Pitt game every sixth year.

Or the 12 Pitt fans in Pitt. Maybe 13.

 

[btstimpy]

The baseball thing will not stop any school to move. Either Texas would be an independent or they will be a partial member. I also don't think that The LHN would stop The Big10 from admitting Texas. The main media money is where the ratings and, therefore the money is.

Completely agree with you on OU and KU, though.

They could take baseball independent and join the B1G, but if the money is the same and three other leagues (SEC, PAC12, and ACC) have good football and baseball which they do, they'll be considered first is my belief. It's possible all three will turn down Texas and it would go B1G, but I doubt all three would say no if Texas were shopping.

 

[btstimpy]

Since when has BB moved CR? Temple FB about equal? So when RU puts more fans in a Temples homegame than Temple because there that popular the B1G should consider them? How many FB recruits does Temple/Philly bring? TVs? I love and pull for Temple but can't imagine there even good enough to be vetted for the P5 and yet their fans think there ACC bound. Stimp you're nutz. I agree they(Temple) fit the ACC profile of mainly small regional privates(with only a NC/Va footprint) as RU as you know preferred the AAC to the ACC!

Nicky I don't want to talk about Rutgers anymore. I really don't. I get drawn into responding to your posts way too often and the UConn hosts get tired of it. I do see some value in Temple. Let's leave it at that.

 

[NickyNewark]

Nicky I don't want to talk about Rutgers anymore. I really don't. I get drawn into responding to your posts way too often and the UConn hosts get tired of it. I do see some value in Temple. Let's leave it at that.

I'd appreciate it.

 

[dayooper]

They could take baseball independent and join the B1G, but if the money is the same and three other leagues (SEC, PAC12, and ACC) have good football and baseball which they do, they'll be considered first is my belief. It's possible all three will turn down Texas and it would go B1G, but I doubt all three would say no if Texas were shopping.

The money is not the same between all four. The ACC is lagging behind. I know there are rumors of an ACCN, but to think that will make as much as The BTN or The SECN is long shot. As for the PAC, it's always an option, but the presidents already turned them down once, will they want to again. The SEC just doesn't seem like a fit. Maybe with an new administration they might be, but recent opinion has been the opposite.

 

[buddy]

Lol. This could describe me and probably does.

My fear is that UConn joins the ACC, and is therefore unavailable when the B1G expands to 16, 18, or 20.

I foresee the next round of B1G expansion to include one, or all three, from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

There needs to be UConn available to close out the north end of the NE Corridor, plus the 3 B12 schools are an odd number and there needs to be an even number.

So ... I am decidedly for UConn in the B1G, but am rooting against UConn in the ACC.

I know ya'll just want the heck out of the AAC.

Now that MY-ACC is settled, we'll soon see if the B1G's long-rumored "Plan A" - expansion with ACC schools along the eastern seaboard - comes to fruition, or whether the B1G has to wait on "Plan B" - hemming in the SEC on the western prairies via Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

My personal opinion is that Plan B will be the next play - and UConn needs to be there for Plan B to work itself out. If Texas ever joined the B1G, I would sure like to see UConn there.

Whoever rings the phone first will get the date!

 

[Pat125]

I'm late to this discussion, but wanted to weigh in on my thoughts. My first reaction was disappointment, since Maryland should not have paid anything over $20 million, as that was all the ACC was legally and ethically entitled to. But this case was dragging on, and there was a clear concern of having a biased NC court decide this case. Sure, they could have appealed, but it would have meant more attorney fees. So having to pay $10 million more than they should versus $30 million was not a bad outcome. I guess the ACC did okay too, since they were able to extort $10 million more than they were entitled to.

As for future realignment, I don't think this means much. Maryland was the only one that fought the $50 million exit fee soon after it was "enacted." Since no other school challenged it, they can only try to show the fee is punitive. If the ACC is the gulag that Stimpy represents it to be, no team will probably be brave enough to challenge the grossly excessive exit fee, even if a better opportunity came along, in the near future. As such, it will be about 10 years for a team to leave the ACC, again should an opportunity present itself.