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ACC expansion

Rdkid said:
From a conference perspective, it brings nothing. Staving off destruction that everyone seems to think will happen regardless, narrowing marginally what is a large $ gap and adding two west coast teams with struggling football and a handicapped school that makes BC and Wake look like titans. It does nothing to keep the big schools from leaving, likely speeding their exit because of unsustainable travel. I’m sure BC will be thrilled to send their baseball team to the Bay Area.
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Rdkid said:
From a conference perspective, it brings nothing. Staving off destruction that everyone seems to think will happen regardless, narrowing marginally what is a large $ gap and adding two west coast teams with struggling football and a handicapped school that makes BC and Wake look like titans. It does nothing to keep the big schools from leaving, likely speeding their exit because of unsustainable travel. I’m sure BC will be thrilled to send their baseball team to the Bay Area.
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If I were a BC baseball player, I’d be thrilled to play in Berkeley or Palo Alto. Two of the most beautiful campuses in the country, with great facilities, the weather sure beats New England’s in April, and Stanford is consistently one of the country’s top programs.

I think we UConn fans (class of ‘74 here) underestimate the value college presidents of prestigious schools put on academic reputation in conference alignment. The ACC is not the Big 12 and does not want to be. Stanford and Cal add significant academic prestige to Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake, Georgia Tech, ND (all but football) and (yes) BC and Syracuse.

SMU is the academic outlier, but as I’ve said in a previous post……they are all about Dallas eyeballs.
 
billybud said:
NC State voted yes while UNC was a hard no....interesting split...

And this was interesting if it comes to fruition..

(2) In a key component to reduce travel, the 15 original ACC members will only be required to send each one of their sports to the Bay Area once every two years. Under another component, eastern members and the two new western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports. SMU’s location provides a sensible central hub. It’s unclear if these components have been formalized.
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It looks like Kansas & K-State are going to be the next hot ticket adds. The other programs can all meet in centrally located Kansas for games and BBQ. Come to think of it, who needs either Kansas school. Just schedule all long distance games in Kansas. Trees vs Fruit. Ducks vs Ruttie. Play them all in Kansas. Awesome!
 
Viet Vet said:
If I were a BC baseball player, I’d be thrilled to play in Berkeley or Palo Alto. Two of the most beautiful campuses in the country, with great facilities, the weather sure beats New England’s in April, and Stanford is consistently one of the country’s top programs.

I think we UConn fans (class of ‘74 here) underestimate the value college presidents of prestigious schools put on academic reputation in conference alignment. The ACC is not the Big 12 and does not want to be. Stanford and Cal add significant academic prestige to Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake, Georgia Tech, ND (all but football) and (yes) BC and Syracuse.

SMU is the academic outlier, but as I’ve said in a previous post……they are all about Dallas eyeballs.
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SMU has been ranked in the 60’s often by U.S. News. Right now it’s 72. Not exactly dog meat.
 
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tzznandrew said:
2032 is a long way away. We'll see.
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FSU, Clemson, etc are gone at that time and the ACC will be looking for new members for their non P5 conference. SMU’s move was a deal between two desperate organizations.
 
I’m really not sure a return to the AAC for football makes sense. We immediately started recruiting better as an independent and the AAC was much better then.

Despite the lies and misrepresentations out there, UConn has a brand. As an independent we aren’t classified as a football team in a crap conference. We are simply UConn. Once we are winning regularly, being Indy UConn may be better than being AAC UConn.
 
Viet Vet said:
If I were a BC baseball player, I’d be thrilled to play in Berkeley or Palo Alto. Two of the most beautiful campuses in the country, with great facilities, the weather sure beats New England’s in April, and Stanford is consistently one of the country’s top programs.

I think we UConn fans (class of ‘74 here) underestimate the value college presidents of prestigious schools put on academic reputation in conference alignment. The ACC is not the Big 12 and does not want to be. Stanford and Cal add significant academic prestige to Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake, Georgia Tech, ND (all but football) and (yes) BC and Syracuse.

SMU is the academic outlier, but as I’ve said in a previous post……they are all about Dallas eyeballs.
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Academics went out the window when they took Louisville. Sorry.
 
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Hoophound said:
I’m really not sure a return to the AAC for football makes sense. We immediately started recruiting better as an independent and the AAC was much better then.

Despite the lies and misrepresentations out there, UConn has a brand. As an independent we aren’t classified as a football team in a crap conference. We are simply UConn. Once we are winning regularly, being Indy UConn may be better than being AAC UConn.
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Where has that brand gotten us? Passed over by schools like UCF, Cincy, Houston, and now flipping SMU. Sorry but it's getting harder and harder to stay independent. If the AAC will take us back for FB only, sign me up. I'd never thought I'd say that but it's time to settle in somewhere for now.
 
billybud said:
NC State voted yes while UNC was a hard no....interesting split...

And this was interesting if it comes to fruition..

(2) In a key component to reduce travel, the 15 original ACC members will only be required to send each one of their sports to the Bay Area once every two years. Under another component, eastern members and the two new western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports. SMU’s location provides a sensible central hub. It’s unclear if these components have been formalized.
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So the west coast Olympic sports basically play exclusively road games? Sounds like a sustainable setup.
 
UCFBfan said:
Where has that brand gotten us? Passed over by schools like UCF, Cincy, Houston, and now flipping SMU. Sorry but it's getting harder and harder to stay independent. If the AAC will take us back for FB only, sign me up. I'd never thought I'd say that but it's time to settle in somewhere for now.
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Yeah. However, those schools all did a lot more winning than we did on the football field. Frankly, they even did more winning on the basketball court for most of our time in the AAC. Again, our administration created this by not taking football seriously. Timing was awful.
 
Hoophound said:
Yeah. However, those schools all did a lot more winning than we did on the football field. Frankly, they even did more winning on the basketball court for most of our time in the AAC. Again, our administration created this by not taking football seriously. Timing was awful.
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You cannot look at the facility that was built when our on field product didn't even remotely deserve a facility that nice and tell me our administration doesn't take football seriously
 
billybud said:
NC State voted yes while UNC was a hard no....interesting split...

And this was interesting if it comes to fruition..

(2) In a key component to reduce travel, the 15 original ACC members will only be required to send each one of their sports to the Bay Area once every two years. Under another component, eastern members and the two new western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports. SMU’s location provides a sensible central hub. It’s unclear if these components have been formalized.
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Because UNC has probably already got a wink and a nod from the BIG. The ACC is going to implode at some point when UNC, FSU , Clemson and perhaps UVA get an invite to one of the P-2 conferences.
 
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Sea Goat said:
Because UNC has probably already got a wink and a nod from the BIG. The ACC is going to implode at some point when UNC, FSU , Clemson and perhaps UVA get an invite to one of the P-2 conferences.
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Better be the SEC or I’ll riot.

But if the competition clause is real, the ACC will be making more money even with 3-4 defections than the Big XII at least until 2036.
 
Apparently Olympic sports with be hosted out of SMU as home games for Cal and Stanford to reduce travel expenditures. With east coast teams only having to travel out west once per year. The remaining games all taking place at SMU.

Kind of silly from Cal and Stamford's perspective to host home games in Dallas.

The ACC looks like a bunch of clowns.
 
Hoophound said:
Yeah. However, those schools all did a lot more winning than we did on the football field. Frankly, they even did more winning on the basketball court for most of our time in the AAC. Again, our administration created this by not taking football seriously. Timing was awful.
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It is often said that
success has a thousand father's and failure is an orphan. Well in this case we have identified at least a thousand fathers of this failure...
 
greenday61892 said:
You cannot look at the facility that was built when our on field product didn't even remotely deserve a facility that nice and tell me our administration doesn't take football seriously
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Everyone has facilities. This is a weak ass argument. Cincinnati replaced Tubberville with Fickell at the same time we replaced Diaco with Edsall. Tell me again how seriously they took FB when those facilities were built while there was still Big East football.
 
WestHartHusk said:
So the west coast Olympic sports basically play exclusively road games? Sounds like a sustainable setup.
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If I were a west coast kid, I'm playing my Olympic sports at Washington, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Arizona and Arizona St, maybe Colorado too, long long long long before I consider that offer from Cal or Stanford. I know those schools will have academic appeal, but UCLA has almost as much to offer there as well.
 
greenday61892 said:
You cannot look at the facility that was built when our on field product didn't even remotely deserve a facility that nice and tell me our administration doesn't take football seriously
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We hired horrible coaches and didn’t rectify the situation until very recently. We did not take football seriously after Edsall 1.0 left. We clown showed with Diaco when we could have hired Leach or someone else with a proven track record. Then we rehired Edsall. The Edsall hire isn’t on Benedict. The board made him do it. He figured it was probably better than keeping Diaco.
 
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Hoophound said:
We hired horrible coaches and didn’t rectify the situation until very recently. We did not take football seriously after Edsall 1.0 left. We clown showed with Diaco when we could have hired Leach or someone else with a proven track record. Then we rehired Edsall. The Edsall hire isn’t on Benedict. The board made him do it. He figured it was probably better than keeping Diaco.
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If The Board really made him rehire Edsall, they should stay out of all FB decisions going forward. I only blame Benedict for not getting rid of him after year 2. Zero upside to keeping him.
 
The ACC seems so desperate.... I wonder if they will will next tear a page out of the Big East playbook and kick BC out of their conference in order to upgrade revenues and further insulate themselves between now and 2036. Humor me - it might be wishful thinking but UConn would certainly be an upgrade and how sweet would that be to elevate while BC gets kicked to the curb. What revenue number would UConn accept, given what CalfordSMU just accepted?? Say, it's ~8m or less, that would generate another net 20m+ to share across the incumbent schools. Perhaps a far fetched scenario but it feels like given what happened this week, it's not totally crazy.
 
noeynox said:
Everyone has facilities. This is a weak ass argument. Cincinnati replaced Tubberville with Fickell at the same time we replaced Diaco with Edsall. Tell me again how seriously they took FB when those facilities were built while there was still Big East football.
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Not the point at all. Saying we don't take football seriously when we made facilities that were way nicer than the product on the field (and way nicer that we deserved tbh) is disingenuous.
 
greenday61892 said:
Not the point at all. Saying we don't take football seriously when we made facilities that were way nicer than the product on the field (and way nicer that we deserved tbh) is disingenuous.
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That was part of the upgrade. We were the only program to ever upgrade from FCS to into the power structure. This burned a lot of people's asses. Again nice facilities are a baseline expectation. You want to be taken seriously, your coaching hires have a lot to do with that. Houston went like Sumlin, Tom Herman, Holgorsen which they pulled away from a P5. Cincinnati has had a great run of hires and UCF went Oleary to Frost, Heupel, Malzahn.

If you're not hiring coaches people want to hire away you're not doing it right. The idea that facilities alone are sign of taking FB seriously is making no point at all.
 
Viet Vet said:
If I were a BC baseball player, I’d be thrilled to play in Berkeley or Palo Alto. Two of the most beautiful campuses in the country, with great facilities, the weather sure beats New England’s in April, and Stanford is consistently one of the country’s top programs.

I think we UConn fans (class of ‘74 here) underestimate the value college presidents of prestigious schools put on academic reputation in conference alignment. The ACC is not the Big 12 and does not want to be. Stanford and Cal add significant academic prestige to Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake, Georgia Tech, ND (all but football) and (yes) BC and Syracuse.

SMU is the academic outlier, but as I’ve said in a previous post……they are all about Dallas eyeballs.
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BC is just as likely to drop baseball as it is to support it fully given the travel. Their coaching staff just recently scattered to the seven winds.
 
Viet Vet said:
If I were a BC baseball player, I’d be thrilled to play in Berkeley or Palo Alto. Two of the most beautiful campuses in the country, with great facilities, the weather sure beats New England’s in April, and Stanford is consistently one of the country’s top programs.

I think we UConn fans (class of ‘74 here) underestimate the value college presidents of prestigious schools put on academic reputation in conference alignment. The ACC is not the Big 12 and does not want to be. Stanford and Cal add significant academic prestige to Duke, UNC, UVA, Wake, Georgia Tech, ND (all but football) and (yes) BC and Syracuse.

SMU is the academic outlier, but as I’ve said in a previous post……they are all about Dallas eyeballs.
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and Cal’s baseball field is dumpy
 
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