ACC Basketball a Dud

[itgoeslike]

A 7 and 8 seed are not supposed to make the final 4. That's all. They aren't supposed to make the Sweet 16 either really.

Our seeding is a byproduct of an ACC chaired and saturated committee with an apparent agenda (fueled in part by Coach K's whining). You need to complain to them.

 

[Stray_Dog]

Kansas and UConn have won some Basketball Championships yes. And Neither of them are in the Big Ten.

Living on past Laurels? You need to go back and look for the dates of the last Big Ten basketball and football championships. Some of these recruits you reference were in swaddling clothes. Wisconsin has a chance this year. You'll know this weekend.

Hey guys, According to Stimpy Kansa and UConn won SOME NC's Wow and how many did UVa win? Your arrogance is astounding! IF CR was based on basketball would UVa be in the AAC, sunbelt, or ACC and then where would UConn be? Just glad to point out we won some basketball championships and can make a claim to have participated in some number just slightly greater than that in Final Fours...

 

[itgoeslike]

Since the 2013-2014 season, the American Athletic Conference has had more mens final four teams than the ACC and Big 12 combined. True statement.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

As for Olympic sports, CA schools will ALWAYS dominate. In fact, close to 50% of Olympians in this country come from CA. It is not by accident either due to the weather and location. Oh yeah, I don't live far from the Stanford campus and I will be the first to tell you how nice the weather is. In fact, it is almost 6 PM now and it is like close to 60 degrees outside and sunny. I still get to get tennis in T-shirt and shorts every weekend.

A combination of nice weather and a great education make it easy to attract recruits for Olympic sports. Does it make it fair? No, but CA schools do have a built-in advantage no one on the East Coast can beat.

In fact, I also got a degree from Santa Clara University. It is a small school but it has higher Director's ranking than many P5 schools. It also sits right in the heart of Silicon Valley.

Congrats. SCU was our family school before my sister and I made a small change.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Congrats. SCU was our family school before my sister and I made a small change.

Nice to meet people with connections to SCU on an UCONN board. Not many people heard of it outside CA. It has one of the nicest campuses in CA. Steve Nash is one of our most famous alums. The other is Janet Napolitano, who is in charge of all the UC schools in CA. Governor of CA Jerry Brown is also a SCU alum.

 

[btstimpy]

Since the 2013-2014 season, the American Athletic Conference has had more mens final four teams than the ACC and Big 12 combined. True statement.

Yes. And there are reasonable odds that there will be an All SEC final and champion. If that happens, it will be because the ACC made them mad by taking the BCS football championship. If UConn wins, you'll probably have to go through 2 SEC teams.

 

[itgoeslike]

Yes. And there are reasonable odds that there will be an All SEC final and champion. If that happens, it will be because the ACC made them mad by taking the BCS football championship. If UConn wins, you'll probably have to go through 2 SEC teams.

Are you suggesting that the ACC may be conspiring against UConn success?! That is outrageous! But good for our Mojo. . .

 

[btstimpy]

Are you suggesting that the ACC may be conspiring against UConn success?! That is outrageous! But good for our Mojo. . .

No. The ACC has pivoted to baseball and lacrosse this year. It's the SEC that is conspiring against UConn in basketball. They are mad that they lost the football championship.

 

[Fishy]

The SEC basketball conference is in a weird space right now - all of their coaches are either in the Final Four or are somewhere in the process of ultimately losing their jobs.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

Nice to meet people with connections to SCU on an UCONN board. Not many people heard of it outside CA. It has one of the nicest campuses in CA. Steve Nash is one of our most famous alums. The other is Janet Napolitano, who is in charge of all the UC schools in CA. Governor of CA Jerry Brown is also a SCU alum.

It may be top secret to say that Leon Panetta was in my Dad's class. Which is interesting because I think Dad retired a looong time ago.

 

[NickyNewark]

If you haven't noticed, it's what this discussion has been about.

But if you want to concentrate on football, the story isn't much better. Syracuse dusted Minnesota in it's bowl game this season. Perhaps people were watching in Toronto. I'll let you inform the board of Minnesota's conference affiliation. You can also let everyone know how Rutgers made out in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Stay classy stimp.

 

[upstater]

But if you want to concentrate on football, the story isn't much better. Syracuse dusted Minnesota in it's bowl game this season. Perhaps people were watching in Toronto. I'll let you inform the board of Minnesota's conference affiliation. You can also let everyone know how Rutgers made out in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Syracuse against UConn in football

2005: UConn wins 26-7
2006: Syracuse wins 20-14
2007: UConn wins 30-7
2008: UConn wins 39-14
2009: UConn wins 56-31
2010: UConn wins 23-6
2011: UConn wins 28-21
2012: Syracuse wins (Thanks Pasqualoni!!!!)

Forgive UConn fans for not being in awe of Syracuse football. UConn started playing in a conference in 2004, and it only took this upstart football program a year to start dominating Syracuse. The ACC went with the football program with a nice history, but no recruiting base in the frozen tundra of Central NY. In fact, over the years, Syracuse has lived on Ct. talent for the players that went in the first round of the NFL draft, going back to Floyd Little, but including Dwight Freeney and guys like Tebucky Jones. UConn shut down that pipeline.

 

[btstimpy]

The SEC basketball conference is in a weird space right now - all of their coaches are either in the Final Four or are somewhere in the process of ultimately losing their jobs.

SEC basketball this year has 3 very good teams in Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee along with the rest being average or poor. In the past teams like Auburn, LSU, South Carolina, Missouri, and Georgia have been decent as well, but not this year.

 

[btstimpy]

Stay classy stimp.

Always. This other poster came on a thread that is totally about basketball questioning why I was referring to basketball. Total head scratcher.

 

[btstimpy]

Syracuse against UConn in football

2005: UConn wins 26-7
2006: Syracuse wins 20-14
2007: UConn wins 30-7
2008: UConn wins 39-14
2009: UConn wins 56-31
2010: UConn wins 23-6
2011: UConn wins 28-21
2012: Syracuse wins (Thanks Pasqualoni!!!!)

Forgive UConn fans for not being in awe of Syracuse football. UConn started playing in a conference in 2004, and it only took this upstart football program a year to start dominating Syracuse. The ACC went with the football program with a nice history, but no recruiting base in the frozen tundra of Central NY. In fact, over the years, Syracuse has lived on Ct. talent for the players that went in the first round of the NFL draft, going back to Floyd Little, but including Dwight Freeney and guys like Tebucky Jones. UConn shut down that pipeline.

You don't have to convince me that UConn would be a good addition to the ACC. I'm already impressed with the UConn athletics department and its potential. This other poster was once again pushing Rutgers. It seems that most of the time I get into good conversation about college athletics here on the boneyard someone wants to bring up Rutgers. My luck I guess.

 

[upstater]

You don't have to convince me that UConn would be a good addition to the ACC. I'm already impressed with the UConn athletics department and its potential. This other poster was once again pushing Rutgers. It seems that most of the time I get into good conversation about college athletics here on the boneyard someone wants to bring up Rutgers. My luck I guess.

Everyone including Nicky I believe acknowledges what happened with Rutgers. A big state U. in a big state with lots of people. An eternally floundering athletic department that needs to get its act together but which doesn't inspire promise given their last 3 big hires (head football coach, head basketball coach and AD).

I still hold to the point I began with. The ACC's decisions could easily come back to bite them in the bum.

 

[TerryD]

You don't think that the B1G adding Kansas and Uconn is something the ACC should worry about?

As for the rest, it's incredibly rich for a Virginia fan to label UConn and Kentucky a Cinderella. Come on. Look at your your OOC.

No, I don't think the ACC is that worried, at least for close to a decade, due to the existence of the Big 12 bylaws and associated Grant of Rights.

 

[upstater]

No, I don't think the ACC is that worried, at least for close to a decade, due to the existence of the Big 12 bylaws and associated Grant of Rights.

I'm talking about the suckitude of ACC basketball. That was on display this year. We don't need to wait 10 years. The B1G can basically close this discussion about basketball instantly right now.

 

[TerryD]

Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him?

Where he belongs. He died, they dug him up and hung him, then buried him a second time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/cromwell_oliver.shtml

 

[TerryD]

I'm talking about the suckitude of ACC basketball. That was on display this year. We don't need to wait 10 years. The B1G can basically close this discussion about basketball instantly right now.

I thought you were talking about the Big Ten adding Kansas basketball in the fairly near future?

 

[upstater]

I thought you were talking about the Big Ten adding Kansas basketball in the fairly near future?

Do you really believe that the B1G couldn't add Kansas? That they have to wait 10 years? Heck, even the Maryland lawsuit with the ACC will never go to court. In the event of any litigation, you're talking about 2 or 3 years of negotiations before settlement. I think 10 years is a fantasy.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Do you really believe that the B1G couldn't add Kansas? That they have to wait 10 years? Heck, even the Maryland lawsuit with the ACC will never go to court. In the event of any litigation, you're talking about 2 or 3 years of negotiations before settlement. I think 10 years is a fantasy.

I think a lot of this GOR stuff is kind of like a paper shield. Since none has been challenged in a court, it give schools and conferences some kind of false security. Within any conference, there will always be schools that are happy to be there and schools that think they can do better. Until someone challenges GOR in a court, we won't know the real answer. My personal experience with attorneys is that there is always a way to get around things. With a good attorney that knows what he/she is doing, there will be a way for schools to get around this GOR if necessary. BE exit fee was negotiable, ACC will find out soon theirs are too, and so are all those GOR terms.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think a lot of this GOR stuff is kind of like a paper shield. Since none has been challenged in a court, it give schools and conferences some kind of false security. Within any conference, there will always be schools that are happy to be there and schools that think they can do better. Until someone challenges GOR in a court, we won't know the real answer. My personal experience with attorneys is that there is always a way to get around things. With a good attorney that knows what he/she is doing, there will be a way for schools to get around this GOR if necessary. BE exit fee was negotiable, ACC will find out soon theirs are too, and so are all those GOR terms.

What really remains to be seen with the GOR is whether the courts would allow the conferences to seek specific performance of the contract upon breach by a departing school. If not, then the GOR simply becomes a measure of damages, namely the value of the media rights the school signed over to the conference. The real risk of that model is that it varies by school, and that it declines every year. It's not much different than an exit fee, except that shrinks over time.

I think it is relatively unlikely that the courts would require specific performance and actually let the conference retain the media rights of a departing member. It simply won't happen. Instead they will be compensated for the loss of those rights by the school. Just one lawyer's opinion. But if I am right, then as the GORs get closer to their end date, the cost of breaking them becomes much more reasonable to a departing school.

 

[NickyNewark]

Everyone including Nicky I believe acknowledges what happened with Rutgers. A big state U. in a big state with lots of people. An eternally floundering athletic department that needs to get its act together but which doesn't inspire promise given their last 3 big hires (head football coach, head basketball coach and AD).

I still hold to the point I began with. The ACC's decisions could easily come back to bite them in the bum.

Have you found a suitable sports bar in Albany yet for this weekend upstater? I noticed some gave you suggestions.

 

[TerryD]

What really remains to be seen with the GOR is whether the courts would allow the conferences to seek specific performance of the contract upon breach by a departing school. If not, then the GOR simply becomes a measure of damages, namely the value of the media rights the school signed over to the conference. The real risk of that model is that it varies by school, and that it declines every year. It's not much different than an exit fee, except that shrinks over time.

I think it is relatively unlikely that the courts would require specific performance and actually let the conference retain the media rights of a departing member. It simply won't happen. Instead they will be compensated for the loss of those rights by the school. Just one lawyer's opinion. But if I am right, then as the GORs get closer to their end date, the cost of breaking them becomes much more reasonable to a departing school.

That is this lawyer's opinion as well. That is why I said ten years. Isn't the Big 12's GOR in effect until 2027 or so?