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Did anyone watch the ND/Cal game? The foul differential was 25-9. And Cal shot 33 free throws! What was happening defensively for ND?’
They did have a lot of fouls, but many took place near game's end too....as they tried to winnow down Cal's stubbon 10-sh point lead during the game's closing minutes. (edited to add) At the very end, 4 of 5 on the court had 4 fouls and so left the final fouling to #2 who only had a couple.....one ND player did foul out. (edited to add) Cal did shoot really well, 10 of 14 from 3... Cal Women's Basketball : Cal Knocks Off Notre Dame
 
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I don’t think anyone else in the ACC is All American-team caliber other than Hidalgo but Fournier might be the POY favorite now. At some point team success factors in. And Fournier’s ACC numbers are really great in their own right.
It's still really close. Hannah's clearly the better player, but, as you pointed out, team success is a factor. Fournier doesn't really have a strong narrative right now because her numbers are not as gaudy as Hidalgo's and because we don't even know if Duke is the best team in the ACC (we'll be much closer to finding that out on Thursday).

I'd go with Hannah until it's obvious that Notre Dame isn't going to finish with a conference record above 0.500.
 
Virginia Tech and Syracuse both about to move to 8-3 in conference. Duke/Louisville top 2 is pretty clear, after that I really can't discern ANYTHING about the ACC this season. Other than BC, Pitt and SMU are all really bad. And Wake Forest.
 
tier 1:
UL
Duke
Tier 2:
NC State
UNC
Tier 3:
Va tech
Syracuse
Stanford
Notre dame
Clemson
Virginia
Tier 4:
Cal
Miami
Tier 5:
Ga Tech
Wake
FSU
Tier 6:
Smu
Pitt
BC

That’s kinda how I see it. IMO each team at times can play at a level 1 tier above or below where they are positioned, but overall I think it’s shaken out this way more or less.

I also think UVa has the talent to be tier 2 but whether it’s coaching, scheme, or fit - the sum of the parts doesn’t add up to what it should.
 
tier 1:
UL
Duke
Tier 2:
NC State
UNC
Tier 3:
Va tech
Syracuse
Stanford
Notre dame
Clemson
Virginia
Tier 4:
Cal
Miami
Tier 5:
Ga Tech
Wake
FSU
Tier 6:
Smu
Pitt
BC

That’s kinda how I see it. IMO each team at times can play at a level 1 tier above or below where they are positioned, but overall I think it’s shaken out this way more or less.

I also think UVa has the talent to be tier 2 but whether it’s coaching, scheme, or fit - the sum of the parts doesn’t add up to what it should.
I don't know that NC State and UNC are in a tier of their own anymore. I guess we'll have to see. By the end of the night, either both teams could have three conference losses apiece or one of them could have four conference losses. Two of your Tier 3 teams have three conference losses, and one of them has already played both Duke and Louisville.

UNC and NC State have yet to play Duke, so that could be another loss on their respective records. Hypothetically, is a 6-5 UNC team a tier above Syracuse, Clemson, VT, etc.?
 
tier 1:
UL
Duke
Tier 2:
NC State
UNC
Tier 3:
Va tech
Syracuse
Stanford
Notre dame
Clemson
Virginia
Tier 4:
Cal
Miami
Tier 5:
Ga Tech
Wake
FSU
Tier 6:
Smu
Pitt
BC

That’s kinda how I see it. IMO each team at times can play at a level 1 tier above or below where they are positioned, but overall I think it’s shaken out this way more or less.

I also think UVa has the talent to be tier 2 but whether it’s coaching, scheme, or fit - the sum of the parts doesn’t add up to what it should.
Cal beat Stanford (once) and ND and took Syracuse to triple OT before losing....we'll see how they do, but the toughest part of the schedule is behind them... (now down 2 starters to injury) but maybe they should be bumped up a bit eh?
 
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tier 1:
UL
Duke
Tier 2:
NC State
UNC
Tier 3:
Va tech
Syracuse
Stanford
Notre dame
Clemson
Virginia
Tier 4:
Cal
Miami
Tier 5:
Ga Tech
Wake
FSU
Tier 6:
Smu
Pitt
BC

That’s kinda how I see it. IMO each team at times can play at a level 1 tier above or below where they are positioned, but overall I think it’s shaken out this way more or less.

I also think UVa has the talent to be tier 2 but whether it’s coaching, scheme, or fit - the sum of the parts doesn’t add up to what it should.
I think coaching is a problem. But overall shooting is pretty bad as well. The team is very inconsistent and rarely plays hard/well for 40 minutes. If their’s a “Hot Seat” thread, Coach Mox should be on it.
 

Mitch Northam's article talks about the idea of UNC and NC State playing a non-conference game. Apparently Coach Banghart floated the idea as a way to get back to playing two games a season like they used to. Not sure how I feel about the idea, but I get why she would suggest it.
 
Well I didn't make it back to revisit this after a frustrating night in Raleigh. Perhaps WBBTakeover is right when they suggest that NC State and UNC don't deserve to be on a tier above that next group. State looked great in the 1st quarter and then slipped up in the 2nd when they went to the bench...and then majorly slipped in the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th. Then played well for the final 4ish minutes. Incredibly frustrating.

On one hand State is literally right there...they've played as tough a schedule as anyone and have gone toe to toe with everyone other than TCU. OU on the road went to OT and the Pack led most of the game. Louisville went to OT and again, State led the majority of that game. USC was a 1 point loss and a game the Pack led pretty much throughout. And now UNC, a game State again led for a majority and couldn't finish. They beat Tennessee in a game that feels like forever ago at this point. My point is they don't get blown out. They seem on par with teams that everyone acknowledges are good, in fact I bet if you looked at total minutes played in those games State has led maybe 75% or more of the time - yet they can't figure out how to play a full 40 minutes or close games. So at some point it's just who you are.

Last night was very strange because State won the turnover battle, won points in the paint, and dominated the boards. They held UNC to just 3 offensive rebounds. They got 16 more shot attempts, yet lost. A horrible shooting night, this is a team that leads the ACC in scoring and just fell on their face last night offensively. The big difference was UNC got 14 FTs and State managed just 2 FTs for the game. TWO! Too much settling for fade aways and jumpers. Going into last night Zoe had taken 32 FTs in her last 2 games, and had 8 or more in the last 4 games. That's her game, getting in the lane and getting fouled or finishing. Last night it didn't happen, she shot poorly and couldn't get to the line. State went into last night leading the nation in fewest fouls and FT rate given up, they are built on not putting the opponent at the line and last night they were -12 in FT attempts.

Anyhow...zooming out...perhaps there is UL and Duke and then a group of about 9-10 that are hard to figure out. Cal has put together a couple of nice wins over ND and Stanford, but if you look at the rest of their resume - it's pretty spotty, they tend to play everyone close, but have taken a lot of L's and a couple to teams that aren't exactly world beaters (Auburn, Missouri). That's sort of why I had them in a tier below. But I can see where there isn't a ton of difference in them and Stanford, ND, Clemson, UVa etc...basically a lot of teams have flaws, different flaws for each team - but it's a down year in the ACC and there are a lot of pretty good teams and very few REALLY good teams.
 

Mitch Northam's article talks about the idea of UNC and NC State playing a non-conference game. Apparently Coach Banghart floated the idea as a way to get back to playing two games a season like they used to. Not sure how I feel about the idea, but I get why she would suggest it.
I'd personally love that. These are the problems with conference expansion. State and UNC are the 2 primary public institutions in NC and are really the local rivalry that matters. Duke is more of a national brand than a local one being a small private school that brings in a large percentage of out of state students. State and UNC have a much larger alumni base and fanbases within the state and have a long history of being each other's primary rival. It's ridiculous State and UNC only play once a year now and the schools are less than 20 minutes apart.

I feel similarly about the Duke State game, not as strongly, but still I miss playing them twice a year. I'd gladly give up playing BC or SMU or whoever for a return to an emphasis on regional rivalries. That's what makes college sports fun.
 
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I'd personally love that. These are the problems with conference expansion. State and UNC are the 2 primary public institutions in NC and are really the local rivalry that matters. Duke is more of a national brand than a local one being a small private school that brings in a large percentage of out of state students. State and UNC have a much larger alumni base and fanbases within the state and have a long history of being each other's primary rival. It's ridiculous State and UNC only play once a year now and the schools are less than 20 minutes apart.

I feel similarly about the Duke State game, not as strongly, but still I miss playing them twice a year. I'd gladly give up playing BC or SMU or whoever for a return to an emphasis on regional rivalries. That's what makes college sports fun.
It's the idea about it being at a neutral site that I'm not big on. It's the "old lady yelling at the cloud" in me, but it doesn't seem right if they can't play both games on their respective campuses during the season.
 

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