About that offensive foul called on Stewie....

[UConnCat]

Really? I can't see by any definition how you could call this an undercut. Absolutely not an undercut or anything close to one.

I agree. Kia was behind Laksa when the ball became loose but Kia dove for the ball and Laksa didn't. Unusual for a foul to be called when two players are going after a loose ball like that. Even the announcer assumed it was a jump ball call and alternate possession. Not a big deal but one of a few unusual calls yesterday.

 

[UcMiami]

Really? I can't see by any definition how you could call this an undercut. Absolutely not an undercut or anything close to one.

I think it is sort of like 'over the back' fouls - in this case 'under' instead of over - in order for Kia to get to the loose ball she had to get past space that Laska had established as hers - like a soccer player being called for a foul for tackling from behind even if the first contact they make is with the ball.

 

[topogigio]

The Euro-players specialize in flopping (see soccer). That said, I don't understand why Natalie wasn't in the post to free up Stewie from the muggings.

 

[cferraro04]

Breanna Stewart #1 - not an offensive foul
Breanna Stewart #2 - not an offensive foul
Kia Nurse - should have been a no call
Morgan Tuck - only one way to describe it..."Ridiculous call!"

 

[TitleTown]

I usually never complain about officiating but yesterday was as bad an officiated a game as I have seen.

 

[dtbtbtb]

The 2 calls against Stewie were garbage calls. I actually agreed with the foul on Kia becouse of the angle in which Kia came to the ball which seems in disadvantage to the USF player.
Whenever i see the shorter male ref (i don't know his name) i worry. Few seasons ago, Geno complained becouse this ref called for some BS call against UConn and he T'd Geno so i guess from that time, Geno tries not to protest too outwardly....

 

[EricLA]

Really? I can't see by any definition how you could call this an undercut. Absolutely not an undercut or anything close to one.

I agree. Kia was behind Laksa when the ball became loose but Kia dove for the ball and Laksa didn't. Unusual for a foul to be called when two players are going after a loose ball like that. Even the announcer assumed it was a jump ball call and alternate possession. Not a big deal but one of a few unusual calls yesterday.

Normally I would agree with you guys, BUT... I would have called a foul on Kia. The ball was bouncing to Laska and she was bending down to get it. Kia came in from the side and dove for it, hitting Laska with the side of her body. Kia was the one who initiated the contact - not any kind of flagrant - just a kid going hard for the ball.

FWIW I do agree that the calls on Stewie were bull as was the one on Morgan...

 

[uconnfan68]

Normally I would agree with you guys, BUT... I would have called a foul on Kia. The ball was bouncing to Laska and she was bending down to get it. Kia came in from the side and dove for it, hitting Laska with the side of her body. Kia was the one who initiated the contact - not any kind of flagrant - just a kid going hard for the ball.

FWIW I do agree that the calls on Stewie were bull as was the one on Morgan...

Just a hockey hip-check.

 

[Biff]

Normally I would agree with you guys, BUT... I would have called a foul on Kia. The ball was bouncing to Laska and she was bending down to get it. Kia came in from the side and dove for it, hitting Laska with the side of her body. Kia was the one who initiated the contact - not any kind of flagrant - just a kid going hard for the ball.

FWIW I do agree that the calls on Stewie were bull as was the one on Morgan...

Speaking for myself only here I do not know if we are in much disagreement. In the post of mine you quoted, my objective was to refute the characterization of Kia having undercut Laska. I thought that was a totally inaccurate description and provided my video evidence to that position.
As far as whether a foul was committed my position would more lean towards a no call when two players are scrambling towards a free ball on the floor and its a near 50/50 ball. So I would tend to go with a no foul in that situation (assuming that I would have the wherewithal and sense in reacting live as a referee). In this case if one of the players is going to be called for a foul it would be Kia only because in her dive for the ball I would say that she initiated contact with Laska.

 

[boontonbomber]

Little doubt that the quality of officiating would improve dramatically if Boneyarders put on those striped jerseys.

 

[chrissaran]

Total flop on Stringfield's part. That was the play where USF's announcer said, and I quote, "That was a bit of a dirty play, Breanna Stewart." I couldn't believe and announcer would say something so disgusting. He should be suspended without pay for a game. He obviously is as blind as could be and what a homer. He should be embarrassed!

 

[chrissaran]

Both players have a right to the ball, and I yelled my head off about the call. I know the refs couldn't hear me, but the USF fans heard me.

 

[Jimbo]

Geno on Ferreira: "It's the European way, and she's perfected it. And we help her, because we do just enough to give her reason to. She takes advantage of the fact we're not as disciplined as we need to be in those cases."

Stewie: "The biggest thing is being smart, knowing they're going to try and foul me out of the game. It got close. I don't know about some of those calls, but that's not my job."

https://www.sny.tv/uconn/news/notebook-stewart-in-a-foul-mood/161616724/

 

[reno tony]

Loose ball late in the game that Kia and Laksas dove for. Foul called on Nurse.

I'm not sure how that play looked on TV but that was definitely a foul on Nurse. She threw a great block on that player to try to get to the ball but it was a decent call. Other calls, both ways, were so ridiculous it was annoying. Even some of the traveling calls were confusing.

 

[reno tony]

At the UCONN - USF game there were 27 fouls called and 12 foul shots taken. The S.C. - Missouri game had 56 fouls called and 64 fouls shots taken and combined they scored 50 points on foul shots. Makes me feel the UCONN game wasn't that bad.

 

[DaddyChoc]

however you want to call it... it wasn't a bad call against Kia

 

[DaddyChoc]

I'm not sure how that play looked on TV but that was definitely a foul on Nurse. She threw a great block on that player to try to get to the ball but it was a decent call. Other calls, both ways, were so ridiculous it was annoying. Even some of the traveling calls were confusing.

did I just hear the announcer say it was a "jump ball, possession... (audio cuts off) or did the get it wrong and it was a foul?

 

[reno tony]

did I just hear the announcer say it was a "jump ball, possession... (audio cuts off) or did the get it wrong and it was a foul?

Sorry, I don't know.... I was at the game.

 

[Biff]

did I just hear the announcer say it was a "jump ball, possession... (audio cuts off) or did the get it wrong and it was a foul?

Yes. The TV commentators thought it was going to be a jump ball call on the tie up. It took them a while to realize a foul was called.

 

[ndmb]

Little doubt that the quality of officiating would improve dramatically if Boneyarders put on those striped jerseys.

There wouldn't be any bad calls against Stewie, that's for damn sure.

 

[Nuyoika]

Both players have a right to the ball, and I yelled my head off about the call. I know the refs couldn't hear me, but the USF fans heard me.

Then you did your part.... (nodding head in agreement) you did your part. *Pats on back*

 

[boontonbomber]

There wouldn't be any bad calls against Stewie, that's for damn sure.

I would expect that no UConn player would be called for a foul.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

The lack of any officials that can ref a WCBB and/or a WNBA game is amazing! There are NO good WBB referees! Those with a rep like Lisa Mattingly, Dennis DeMayo, Bryan Enterline, Dee Kantner, Denise Brooks, Bob Trammel, Eric Brewton, Tina Napier, Cameron Inouye, referee at least 4 games a week, most do 5! All over the country! It's not impossible to see, Lisa Mattingly, for example, Do a UCONN XL game on a Tuesday, at OKLA Thursday, at NEBR. on Friday, and Baylor on Sunday!
That's got to take a toll on them with planes, hotels, food, games, etc.
The WNBA unbelievably is worse!
It drives me nuts watching incompetent refs make unbelievable calls night after night!
If a touch is a foul how can 2 players crashing into each other be a no call?
The Stewie call mentioned above was a prime example of incompetent referees!
Yesterday, Sunday, there were 6 games on TV, and with the help of Directv I watched all of them. There was an average of 18 moving screens NOT CALLED in those 6 games! The player must be still while setting the screen, almost all of the screens set were moving screens! Either pivoting out or sticking a knee or foot out!
Charge/ Block calls should be simple even for the lousy refs. If the offense lowers their shoulder it's a charge every time! If the defense is MOVING in front of the offense it's a block!
Several years back I bumped into Patty Coyle then the NY Liberty coach at the XL center during a UCONN/Baylor game. I asked her how the players & coaches tolerated the ref calls and she said you have to keep quiet, if you protest too much, payback is coming as word spreads you gave it to those refs!
The problem in WCBB is the Leagues supervisors are all ex-refs so how are they going to write up their buddies from 20+ years of refereeing together! They need retired NBA refs to be hired as the supervisors with no ties to the refs or the Leagues!

One - you named some high-profile refs, for sure, but DeMayo doesn't work all that much (anymore); conversely, Cameron Inoyue (Mrs. Enterline, FWIW), works upwards to 14 days in a row. Not many go coast to coast, although Ms. Inoyue does. Michael Price, Roy Gulbeyan go coast to coast, most of the other western and more particularly PAC ref's don't get further east than the Big 12.
Two - 2 players crashing into each other isn't a foul if they are both going for the ball. While calls are odd, in the Pac there are multiple scrums (no foul), touches on a dribbling player (foul), muggings in the lane (no foul) a touch on a shooting arm (foul). And they are fairly consistent about it, and no, it isn't how games were referee'd in the east when we were there.
Three - The evaluation procedure for ref's varies, nor are all the league supervisors ex-refs (yes, many of them are, but to be fair, not all). For example, the supervisor for the American and Big East for many years was Barbara Jacobs, who is an ex-coach (Syracuse) not an ex-ref.

Not withstanding my comments above, yes, there are times that the refereeing leaves something to be desired.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

KnightBridgeAZ thanks for your informative post! It fills in some facts I wasn't aware of!
But geeez, the refereeing just plain sucks big time! I get so frustrated watching great coaching (most of the time) and great players and they have to stomach such horrible calls! I remember 2002 in the Civic Center then, #2 OKLA vs #1 UCONN and there were 52 fouls called, 30 in the 1st 1/2! That's ridiculous! Then they met in FF Finals!
In the 2 players crashing into each other I mentioned above, they're not going for the loose ball they are near or in the lane, and NO CALL! Then going down court 85' from the basket the refs will call a touch foul!
There is a HUGE difference in West Coast refs and East Coast refs!
And the WNBA is worse! That's why DT gets so many TF's! She can't take the stupidity any more, so she blows up and gets the T! Most WNBA players keep their mouth shut!
I didn't realize Barb Jacobs was only a coach not a ref but she's still evaluating her buddies, so they're not getting written up for their stupidity!

 

[CCinCT]

June Courteau is the NCAA’s national coordinator of women’s basketball officiating. You can ask DT why this would make a difference in the quality of WCBB officiating.