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AAC reworking media deal

EROCK CONN said:
No.... def not. I'm actually indifferent -- just could not care less.....

The time in the AAC was kinda like that rando you hooked-up with in your mid-to-early 20's, drunk, and then woke up the next morning and all you wanted to do was forget it ever happened.
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Very apt analogy. The only change I would make is you only hooked up with the rando because you just broke up with your GF because she wanted to focus on her career. Then the new relationship lasted 7 years because that first year was actually memorable. Then you and your ex had coffee together and you realized what a mistake it was so you got back together and everyone was happy again except for those 5 weird cousins from the south who like college football.
 
scoscox said:
aac fans were trying to say that the broadcast expenses would only be in the 50-60,000 range this summer, so that ecu article is an extra lol
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The Boneyard said this was going to cost $1M a year so both were really far off.
 
bendm said:
those teams were regional rivals....much like the teams we left behind in the big east
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Jim Calhoun stated on Centerstage with Michael Kay that he used Big East opponents heavily to recruit in the early days and leading up to UConn's accession to elite status. It was not ALL him and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at best.
 
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freescooter said:
Some of us remember when UCONN WAS THE DRAW and it didn’t really matter who the opponent was. But until we start actually winning games again I guess people will come to see the opposition. But MSG Baby!
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Poop head
 
freescooter said:
That had zero to do with the league and everything to do with one Jim Calhoun. But then we used to sell out the old field house for URI and UNass in old Yankcon days too. But why let facts get in the way of a nice story
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We sold out the Civic Center for Big East games for years when Perno was there, after it was rebuilt. There were only a few thousand for the UMass game the night of the roof collapse. The fact is UConn built it's program on and off the court because of the Big East.
 
superjohn said:
Why are people playing along with freescooter's trolling act?

There's no possible way he's as dumb as all these posts would suggest.
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Because there is to much misinformation and revisionist history out there as it is. Wouldn't letting it go unchallenged be tantamount to validation?
 
BFieldHusky said:
And there is this courtesy of @huskymedic on the football board:

247sports.com

New AAC TV deal provides more money to ECU, but also challenges

ECU must begin producing its own broadcasts for its home sporting events outside of football in late 2020.
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As in past years, all football games will be handled by the AAC/ESPN and broadcasted on one of the main ESPN networks - ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or ESPN3 (or CBS Sports Network, which is part of a smaller agreement) - and both the men’s and women’s basketball teams are each guaranteed two home games on a major ESPN network as well where ECU won’t have to handle production costs.

But, for every basketball game that’s not picked up by ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU, East Carolina will be responsible for hiring the talent and producing the game on its own on ESPN3 or ESPN+, whichever channel the league and ESPN decides to place it on. With ECU’s basketball program currently struggling, the likelihood of many games inside Minges Coliseum being picked up in the near future seem slim. The new subscription channel ESPN+ currently costs $4.99 per month for fans to watch. ESPN3 is a streaming channel that’s part of most people’s cable package.

Outside of football, ECU must broadcast around 45 games on its own during the first year of the new television deal, per the terms of the agreement.

East Carolina athletics director Jon Gilbert said each broadcast will cost the athletic department around $6,500-$7,500 to hire announcers and a production crew. Multiplied by 45, that’s more than $300,000 annually spent on broadcasting games that wasn’t on the books previously.

Pirate baseball and women’s basketball games, among other events, are currently streamed online on ECUPirates.com with the radio announcers dubbed over top of the in-house production, but that will no longer be allowed on ESPN+ and ESPN3, per ESPN’s broadcast standards. ECU must hire outside, neutral talent and deliver a TV-like broadcast.

ECU is also having to construct a new broadcast control room that will cost around $1 million in time for the 2020-21 academic year.<<
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Waquoit said:
We sold out the Civic Center for Big East games for years when Perno was there, after it was rebuilt. There were only a few thousand for the UMass game the night of the roof collapse. The fact is UConn built it's program on and off the court because of the Big East.
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There were 5000+ in attendance the night of the roof collapse. There would have been significantly more if the weather hadn't been so bad. And yes, I was there.
 
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superjohn said:
Why are people playing along with freescooter's trolling act?

There's no possible way he's as dumb as all these posts would suggest.
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as the wise Peter Griffin once said, "freescooter's gonna free scoot."
 
Slasher said:
The Boneyard said this was going to cost $1M a year so both were really far off.
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That's because it is.

A UConn source estimated that the 25-or-so basketball games relegated to ESPN+ each year would cost the school between $250,000 and half a million dollars. That’s before you even consider the 50 olympic sports streamed per year under the deal. A conservative estimate could put the price tag on annual production costs at between $500,000 and $1,000,000.

They are only required to do 45 events year 1 for ESPN3/+. I imagine the contract requires an increase and that's where the UConn AD figured it would cost that much. Add in the upfront costs on top of per event talent and production costs $1 million annually seems fair.

StorrsCentral - Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
 
Waquoit said:
That only started when we got in the Big East.
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Actually, that's not the case. I first came to Hartford for college in fall of 77. For I think two seasons there was no Big East and no Calhoun. The Civic Center still got big crowds when UConn played there.
 
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Storrs South said:
That's because it is.

A UConn source estimated that the 25-or-so basketball games relegated to ESPN+ each year would cost the school between $250,000 and half a million dollars. That’s before you even consider the 50 olympic sports streamed per year under the deal. A conservative estimate could put the price tag on annual production costs at between $500,000 and $1,000,000.

They are only required to do 45 events year 1 for ESPN3/+. I imagine the contract requires an increase and that's where the UConn AD figured it would cost that much. Add in the upfront costs on top of per event talent and production costs $1 million annually seems fair.

StorrsCentral - Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
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That sounds like a lot of speculation with no real facts. I'm very curious to see what it actually costs those AAC schools per year.
 
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Slasher said:
That sounds like a lot of speculation with no real facts. I'm very curious to see what it actually costs those AAC schools per year.
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This should help:

Most Olympic sporting events cost $15,000 to $25,000 to produce in HD for linear TV, Murphy-Stephans said.
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That was in 2005, so $20k/game over the course of the deal seems like a pretty conservative estimate. If they're producing 60+ events per year, that's $1.2+ million in production costs annually. Or they can just hand that money back to ESPN to have them do it. In either case, that TV deal is going to involve a significant haircut for every team that isn't willing to put out low-cost trash.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The complicated case of the Pac-12 Networks

The Pac-12 Networks’ first three years have been defined by distribution difficulties and revenue shortcomings that have conference leaders wondering whether they should stick with the unusual structure of one national channel and six regional channels.
www.sportsbusinessdaily.com www.sportsbusinessdaily.com
 
CallMeBruce said:
This should help:



That was in 2005, so $20k/game over the course of the deal seems like a pretty conservative estimate. If they're producing 60+ events per year, that's $1.2+ million in production costs annually. Or they can just hand that money back to ESPN to have them do it. In either case, that TV deal is going to involve a significant haircut for every team that isn't willing to put out low-cost trash.

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

The complicated case of the Pac-12 Networks

The Pac-12 Networks’ first three years have been defined by distribution difficulties and revenue shortcomings that have conference leaders wondering whether they should stick with the unusual structure of one national channel and six regional channels.
www.sportsbusinessdaily.com www.sportsbusinessdaily.com
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Why is ECU's number so much lower then?
 
Slasher said:
Why is ECU's number so much lower then?
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1. The ECU number was based on 45 events a year, not 60.

2. The $15k to $25k Pac Ten coverage is probably for a higher quality broadcast than it makes sense for ECU to be paying for. If HD, P5 can do an event for $15k to $25k, I'm sure ECU can do an event for less than the low end of what the Pac Ten is currently doing.

Those two factors are going to be most of the difference.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Either they're underestimating the total cost of the events or they're planning on putting on events with production quality that's comparable to ECU athletics.
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Are high school students in greater Greenville necessarily ECU fans? The A/V club coordinators could be considered impartial.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
. In either case, that TV deal is going to involve a significant haircut for every team that isn't willing to put out low-cost trash.
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They could get away with low cost trash for a few years at the outset back then, particularly for low profile events/sports, because HD was still a luxury item. Now it's the standard.
 
I would think the value of UConn’s media rights alone should fall somewhere in the $20-25 million per year, so if the contract remains at 12 years I would think the new contract would be in the range of $250-300 million less than the original $1 billion...yes, UConn alone was likely accounting for almost 25% of the value of the AAC’s media rights. I guess time will tell. This may be the only time ever that we’re on ESPN’s side. We want them to hammer the AAC in this contract negotiation because the BE conference will be able to directly extract our value to use in their next negotiations with Fox. ESPN dug their own grave and now they get stuck holding the pile of crap that is the AAC for the next 12 years without the biggest piece of the puzzle remaining.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Either they're underestimating the total cost of the events or they're planning on putting on events with production quality that's comparable to ECU athletics.
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When my son was at GW from '09 to '13, home games not picked up by a network (so most of them) were televised on GW's athletic department website. The broadcast consisted of (IIRC) 2 or 3 cameras, and using the feed of the professional radio play by play announcer (Byron Kerr). The costs were minimal. It's not going to look like when NBC covers an olympic sport on the Olympic channel. It will be done more cheaply. But truth be told, there is no reason why East Carolina should be spending more to get its home basketball games on the internet than George Washington does.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
I would think the value of UConn’s media rights alone should fall somewhere in the $20-25 million per year, so if the contract remains at 12 years I would think the new contract would be in the range of $250-300 million less than the original $1 billion...yes, UConn alone was likely accounting for almost 25% of the value of the AAC’s media rights. I guess time will tell. This may be the only time ever that we’re on ESPN’s side. We want them to hammer the AAC in this contract negotiation because the BE conference will be able to directly extract our value to use in their next negotiations with Fox. ESPN dug their own grave and now they get stuck holding the pile of crap that is the AAC for the next 12 years without the biggest piece of the puzzle remaining.
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There's no way it's that high, because our football rights -- given our schedule, our failure and our fanbase -- are relatively worthless. If we get $2M a year from SNY for 6 or 7 homes games, I'd be shocked. Fox is currently paying, what, about $5M a year to Big East for everything else? Let's say our mens basketball, given our fanbase and getting back to success, is worth more than the average. Say double the average. $10M? And women's basketball, knowing what was paid for rights within Metro New York, is worth another $2 or $3M. (If our women's rights were truly marketable for $10M, we never would have accepted the AAC paying everyone an equal share without exempting women's basketball.) That takes you to $15M, at the utterly high end which frankly I don't believe. More likely closer to $10M, which is still double what other Big East programs make in TV rights.

But I will be the first to admit these guesses are just a little more educated than being pulled out of my rear.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
I would think the value of UConn’s media rights alone should fall somewhere in the $20-25 million per year, so if the contract remains at 12 years I would think the new contract would be in the range of $250-300 million less than the original $1 billion...yes, UConn alone was likely accounting for almost 25% of the value of the AAC’s media rights. I guess time will tell. This may be the only time ever that we’re on ESPN’s side. We want them to hammer the AAC in this contract negotiation because the BE conference will be able to directly extract our value to use in their next negotiations with Fox. ESPN dug their own grave and now they get stuck holding the pile of crap that is the AAC for the next 12 years without the biggest piece of the puzzle remaining.
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If this were the case UConn would be in the ACC or the B1G. The overall value of the contract is likely to go down like many people have said, but you have to remember that 70% of the media value of a TV contract is football. The only content ESPN is losing in this case is two football home games a year from UConn. One of those almost always was against an FCS school and relegated to ESPN3. The conference games are getting replaced. They also didn't have enough room for all the AAC games as it was, one of the many reasons AAC plays weird time slots on Thurdays/Fridays and games on CBSSN.
 
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