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upstater said:
The big concern with the BE is that the schools are about to endure a demographic time bomb. Most middle of the road private schools will be clinging for dear life very soon. If schools like Oberlin and Hampshire are hurting, you're going to see this happen all over the USA. You'll have hundreds of Benningtons popping up everywhere. Many will go under, like Hampshire is about to do.

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Why would your future scenario birth more tiny, "privileged" colleges like Bennington? I would think that model will also be floundering in the future.
 
superjohn said:
I didn't say anything about UCF and USF because I know very little about them and because I was replying to someone's post who said Cincinnati isn't a commuter school. I know Cincinnati and it's a commuter school. Just looked up Cincinnati 23% of undergrads live in student housing, Central Connecticut State University 24% of undergrads live in student housing.

I do think everyone knows enough to know UCF and Butler are nothing alike so no clue why you brought that up. One is the largest school in America and the other is a small urban school.

I'm not even going to touch you advocating for UConn being in the same conference as Buffalo, UMass, and Old Dominion. I try not to argue with crazy.
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Living in student housing is only a small part of what makes a university of commuter school. What percentage of a school lives within 5 miles? That's much more important. These universities in big cities have a huge housing boom just off campus, that doesn't make them "commuter." In true college towns, that's much more minimal because you pretty much have to live in student housing.
 
superjohn said:
I didn't say anything about UCF and USF because I know very little about them and because I was replying to someone's post who said Cincinnati isn't a commuter school. I know Cincinnati and it's a commuter school. Just looked up Cincinnati 23% of undergrads live in student housing, Central Connecticut State University 24% of undergrads live in student housing.

I do think everyone knows enough to know UCF and Butler are nothing alike so no clue why you brought that up. One is the largest school in America and the other is a small urban school.

I'm not even going to touch you advocating for UConn being in the same conference as Buffalo, UMass, and Old Dominion. I try not to argue with crazy.
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Is that really a fair measure? Just because you’re not in student housing doesn’t mean you’re living with mom and dad.
 
For the record, I don't care about school rankings or who is classified as a commuter school or any of it.

Given the makeup of this conference, I'm pretty sure no one making decisions at UConn cares about it at this specific moment either given the circumstances. And please stop with silliness of things like trying to make out the AAC travel schedule as somehow better and 'exposure' issues on a TV network when your team's content is going to be behind a paywall on the internet on a completely unproven platform.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Is that really a fair measure? Just because you’re not in student housing doesn’t mean you’re living with mom and dad.
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I don't really know the best way to measure it. I've been to UC and I classify it as a commuter school. I've been to Louisville which I also classify as a commuter school, I consider the schools to be really similar.
 
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Towney007 said:
"Lower exposure on FS1"

Guys, your team's games are behind a paywall now.
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Yeah ECU vs Tulane is now behind a paywall. But guess what, when it was on ESPN NEWS no one was tuning in to watch either way. UConn vs Memphis will not be behind the paywall.

All of the sports networks that air most college sports (beyond ESPN / 2) require some additional level of sports package beyond basic cable. So technically there is a "paywall" for most college sports. It wouldn't surprise me if in a few years ESPN+ is just bundled in with existing cable packages, much like Comcast gives you the option of doing that with Neflix. You still pay additional for the content, but it integrate seamlessly into your TV. ESPN will figure out a way to make everyone pay for their flagship / traditional cable packages and ESPN+ on top of it. You can take it to the bank that is their goal.
 
McLovin said:
Yeah ECU vs Tulane is now behind a paywall. But guess what, when it was on ESPN NEWS no one was tuning in to watch either way. UConn vs Memphis will not be behind the paywall.
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Keep telling yourself this as much as you can. I appreciate your optimism.
 
Towney007 said:
Keep telling yourself this as much as you can. I appreciate your optimism.
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Point is that eventually ESPN will make sure everyone that subscribes to their flagship content is also subscribing to the "streaming" content. Either it will happen organically or ESPN will require "+" to be part of the cable package. They did it with the SEC network / are going to do it with the ACC network. People who subscribe to sports packages via cable are going to pay for and get those networks whether they want it or not. It would obviously be in their best interest to force "+" on everyone too.
 
McLovin said:
Point is that eventually ESPN will make sure everyone that subscribes to their flagship content is also subscribing to the "streaming" content. Either it will happen organically or ESPN will require "+" to be part of the cable package. They did it with the SEC network / are going to do it with the ACC network. People who subscribe to sports packages via cable are going to pay for and get those networks whether they want it or not. It would obviously be in their best interest to force "+" on everyone too.
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That's the *hope*

Hulu and Netflix are not counted in TV packages. So. I wouldn't count my chickens. ACC and SEC networks are actual channels.
 
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John said:
if there's one thing we should all have learned from conference realignment, it's that geography does NOT matter.
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Eh, if you really think about it, the only the things that don’t make sense are:

A) West Virginia in the Big 12

And

B) the entire AAC
 
Except for Villanova, the perennially good basketball schools from the pre-2014 Big East are in the ACC or AAC. All other schools, including Georgetown are cyclical.
 
I think College Football should be regionally relevant.

Two. We are not dumping UConn’s Football Program. God love you & all your claims of brilliance. And your mythology on “sunk costs”. We have a slim case for P5 status. Diminishing over years lately.

Therefore, our paradigm is best with the Florida schools + Temple + Navy + at least one more driveable conference foe.

Please stop with the Big East crap.
 
This notion that Cincinnati is a commuter school is stupid. Shows your ignorance. Hmmm ... instead of counting beds, how about you look up Research dollars.
 
77% of students live off campus at Cincinnati
82% live off campus at UCF
82% live off campus at USF
83% live off campus at UH
80% live off campus at ECU
94% live off campus at Temple
86% live off campus at Memphis
89% live off campus at Wichita

35% live off campus at Tulsa
46% live off campus at SMU
52% live off campus at Tulane
34% live off campus at UConn

Of course, not all of those who live off campus commute, but when the numbers for those large public schools are all 77%+ it indicates there is a very large portion of the student body who commutes.
 
Guapo said:
Eh, if you really think about it, the only the things that don’t make sense are:

A) West Virginia in the Big 12

And

B) the entire AAC
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C) Domers in ACC

D) Texas schools in SEC

Etc

Geography doesn't matter.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
77% of students live off campus at Cincinnati
82% live off campus at UCF
82% live off campus at USF
83% live off campus at UH
80% live off campus at ECU
94% live off campus at Temple
86% live off campus at Memphis
89% live off campus at Wichita

35% live off campus at Tulsa
46% live off campus at SMU
52% live off campus at Tulane
34% live off campus at UConn

Of course, not all of those who live off campus commute, but when the numbers for those large public schools are all 77%+ it indicates there is a very large portion of the student body who commutes.
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You'll notice the people who are wrong on this are the people that have been wrong on everything UConn and conference related.
 
Guapo said:
Eh, if you really think about it, the only the things that don’t make sense are:

A) West Virginia in the Big 12

And

B) the entire AAC
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What about Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler and Xavier in a conference called the Big East?
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
77% of students live off campus at Cincinnati
82% live off campus at UCF
82% live off campus at USF
83% live off campus at UH
80% live off campus at ECU
94% live off campus at Temple
86% live off campus at Memphis
89% live off campus at Wichita

35% live off campus at Tulsa
46% live off campus at SMU
52% live off campus at Tulane
34% live off campus at UConn

Of course, not all of those who live off campus commute, but when the numbers for those large public schools are all 77%+ it indicates there is a very large portion of the student body who commutes.
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I develop student housing. I’ll send you pictures

What about those 3 schools are not congruent with UConn? Small expensive Private.

With the HUGE supply of NEW luxury Private student housing, I frankly think you ought to reorient your thinking. Do you want to know the percentage of beds on campus at UALBANY & UMass & UMass Lowell & Rowan & Drexel & UNH & UBuffalo & Binghamton & Northeastern. Fact: Northern peer schools developed differently. And new Private Development has built complementary supply at each.

I say the definition of peer Universities to UConn is ... Academic based. Research dollars etc etc.
 
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whaler11 said:
TIL that sunk costs are mythology.

From a guy who teaches business graduate school.

You couldn’t possibly make this place up.
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You always leave out the $200m in Development projects I am a principal on. I am an adjunct Professor in summers. As a real estate professional, I’m telling you UCONN & the State ain’t walking away from $300m in infrastructure. Nope. We are not Hofstra

Which means ... we better frigging figure out how to compete. Guess what - my lifelong fandom at UCONN tells me that we have done that brilliantly over the last 4 decades.
 
superjohn said:
You'll notice the people who are wrong on this are the people that have been wrong on everything UConn and conference related.
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I feel like it’s super easy to predict conference related matters. Anything involving UConn, the AAC and keeping that relationship alive spells doom. Time after time. But we’re crazy for suggesting a change?
 
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Pudge said:
You always leave out the $200m in Development projects I am a principal on. I am an adjunct Professor in summers. As a real estate professional, I’m telling you UCONN & the State ain’t walking away from $300m in infrastructure. Nope. We are not Hofstra

Which means ... we better frigging figure out how to compete. Guess what - my lifelong fandom at UCONN tells me that we have done that brilliantly over the last 4 decades.
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If you don’t get Rentschler is a sunk cost it doesn’t much matter what your resume says.

They might not walk away from it but doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.
 
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whaler11 said:
If you don’t get Rentschler is a sunk cost it doesn’t much matter what your resume says.

They might not walk away with it but doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.
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He thinks the best thing for Uconn's future is sharing a conference with UMass, Buffalo, and Old Dominion. There isn't a ton of thinking going on here.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
77% of students live off campus at Cincinnati
82% live off campus at UCF
82% live off campus at USF
83% live off campus at UH
80% live off campus at ECU
94% live off campus at Temple
86% live off campus at Memphis
89% live off campus at Wichita

35% live off campus at Tulsa
46% live off campus at SMU
52% live off campus at Tulane
34% live off campus at UConn

Of course, not all of those who live off campus commute, but when the numbers for those large public schools are all 77%+ it indicates there is a very large portion of the student body who commutes.
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That definitely puts Cincinnati squarely in the commuter school category, although "commuter" may be the wrong use of word. What really matters is the connection a particular student feels toward the institution. Large enrollment schools with 70 percent or more students living off campus are more likely going to have a less interested and involved alumni base, despite their huge numbers of alums. The more students you had closely connected to the school living on campus, or within walking distance perhaps, tends to make for a longer lasting bond with the school. That's why the major state flagships with a predominace of on campus residential students tend to get more loyal and supportive alumni than the huge urban commuter schools get. The commuters drive in, drive out, and largely view the school as nothing more than a means to an end. After graduation they move on and are less likely to support the school.
 
UConnNick said:
What about Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler and Xavier in a conference called the Big East?
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You’re getting caught up in semantics of a conference name. The Big East does have a semblance of geographic continuity and generally the lay out of the schools does make sense.
 
Pudge said:
I develop student housing. I’ll send you pictures

What about those 3 schools are not congruent with UConn? Small expensive Private.

With the HUGE supply of NEW luxury Private student housing, I frankly think you ought to reorient your thinking. Do you want to know the percentage of beds on campus at UALBANY & UMass & UMass Lowell & Rowan & Drexel & UNH & UBuffalo & Binghamton & Northeastern. Fact: Northern peer schools developed differently. And new Private Development has built complementary supply at each.

I say the definition of peer Universities to UConn is ... Academic based. Research dollars etc etc.
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Yes, there's a lot of private student housing being built near campus. I see it every day when I walk around Boston. I also know there's a limited number of students who can afford it.

My point in giving that data was only to give the data. It's not a conclusive statement on how many students commute, but it underscores that AAC schools have high percentages of students who live off campus, even at schools which are not in high cost-of-living urban areas such as Greenville, Memphis, and Wichita.
 
Staying in the AAC only makes sense if the conference expands to include both Gonzaga and BYU. This conference needs name brands.

Otherwise at the current status quo, the Big East is the best option. Even if we become decent in football, why would a P5 conference take us over say Cincinnati or UCF or Houston or even Memphis.

PS: ESPN+ is a disaster. Cable isn’t going anywhere soon. Without New York exposure, UCONN loses a lot.
 
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