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CallMeBruce said:
Which "major state universities" are we being associated with? Memphis? ECU? This is nonsense.
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“Why should we want to be associated with minor athletic and academic brands like Georgetown and Villanova when we can be associated with major public academic and athletic powerhouses like UCF and Memphis?”
 
CL82 said:
Because if you have a bad season (or 8) you will always have a bad season. Should we abandon basketball? We've had two losing seasons in a row and last year brought us the most 20+ point defeats ever in school history.
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Is this really the smartest response you can come up with?
 
CL82 said:
Because if you have a bad season (or 8) you will always have a bad season. Should we abandon basketball? We've had two losing seasons in a row and last year brought us the most 20+ point defeats ever in school history.
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From day one since Hurley has taken over things have gone in a better direction. I'm a football season ticket holder, so want the team to do well - but what has happened since RE took over. Nothing. We've gotten worse and have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country. I know it's easier to turn around a basketball team, but football has shown 0 signs of progress.
 
CallMeBruce said:
The Big East is not an academic consortium. It's an athletic conference. Your disingenuous attempts to paint the Big East as sprawling is absurd when compared to our current league. Yes, we'd still have to play games in Nebraska, Chicago, Indiana, and Wisconsin, but we'd also be adding games in NYC, northern Jersey, Providence, and DC. The travel is better. There are rivalries. The competition is better. It's clearly a better fit.
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I don't know about the Big East but the American actually does have an academic consortium

American Athletic Conference - Academic Consortium
 
gwhuskyfan said:
From day one since Hurley has taken over things have gone in a better direction. I'm a football season ticket holder, so want the team to do well - but what has happened since RE took over. Nothing. We've gotten worse and have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country. I know it's easier to turn around a basketball team, but football has shown 0 signs of progress.
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What's happened is all the underclassman we started got experience. This season sucked, with a Diacon level of suck but it had to happen given how bare Diaco left the cupboard.

You buying your tickets next season? Just curious.
 
The fact is that UConn has much more in common culturally with schools like Villanova, Georgetown and Providence than they do with public schools like Memphis or UC.

UConn competes with those schools for perspective students and those student bodies come from the same geographic and socio economic background.

UConn has absolutely nothing in common with the Memphises of the world. The schools in the AAC that UConn has most in common with are the private schools (SMU and Tulane) so the whole public vs private debate is totally irrelevant here.
 
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CL82 said:
No, but it is the simplest and when you are responding to someone making profoundly flawed arguments, simple is the way to start.
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he has yet to present one fact in this thread its been quite entertaining
 
CL82 said:
No, but it is the simplest and when you are responding to someone making profoundly flawed arguments, simple is the way to start.
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There is no perfect argument here because there are no perfect answers.

Every arguments for one side or the other has its flaws, you just have to weigh the positives and negatives of each.
 
Guapo said:
The fact is that UConn has much more common culturally with schools like Villanova, Georgetown and Providence than they do with public schools like Memphis or UC.
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No it really doesn't. UConn is a major public and culturally it has limited shared goals with small privates. That is exactly the reason that the Big East failed.

Agree with you regarding Memphis, but not sure that matter much.
 
CL82 said:
No it really doesn't. UConn is a major public and culturally it has limited shared goals with small privates. That is exactly the reason that the Big East failed.

Agree with you regarding Memphis, but not sure that matter much.
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Georgetown and Villanova are both major, national research universities.
 
Guapo said:
There is no perfect argument here because there are no perfect answers.

Every arguments for one side or the other has its flaws, you just have to weigh the positives and negatives of each.
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There are no perfect solutions, but the arguments can either be sound or flawed.
 
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Guapo said:
Georgetown and Villanova are both major, national research universities.
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...and small private universities.
 
The future for the midlist private schools in this country is worse than murky. Projections are for major upheaval. You may be tying your boat to a sinking ship. Pay $50k to go to St. John's or pay $10k to go to Stony Brook? There will be a tidal wave coming in the next 10 years when the low population numbers of the current 5-15 year olds make it an "applier's market."
 
Guapo said:
The fact is that UConn has much more in common culturally with schools like Villanova, Georgetown and Providence than they do with public schools like Memphis or UC.

UConn competes with those schools for perspective students and those student bodies come from the same geographic and socio economic background.

UConn has absolutely nothing in common with the Memphises of the world. The schools in the AAC that UConn has most in common with are the private schools (SMU and Tulane) so the whole public vs private debate is totally irrelevant here.
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Quite frankly(TM), we don't have much in common culturally with either Villanova/Georgetown or Memphis/UCF.

We are a flagship public university. The question that's being sorted out in CR is:

Are we more like URI/UMass/UNH/Vermont or more like Michigan/UNC/Kansas/Oregon?

In the eyes of the national football powers, who largely drive the bus, the answer is clearly the former. That is killing us.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Quite frankly(TM), we don't have much in common culturally with either Villanova/Georgetown or Memphis/UCF.

We are a flagship public university. The question that's being sorted out in CR is:

Are we more like URI/UMass/UNH/Vermont or more like Michigan/UNC/Kansas/Oregon?

In the eyes of the national football powers, who largely drive the bus, the answer is clearly the former. That is killing us.
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I’d say we are more like a better Rutgers. I don’t think the country associates UConn w the former. In the middle of the two
 
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1. This State University is not walking away from Football. That is ... Dumb as a Rock. The investment is over $400m and far broader in terms of what place the Brand can range. We are far beyond just a Group of basketball centric Catholic schools.

2. Conference realignment is not over.

3. You don’t know what 15 years time brings. All Our UConn can do ... is be prepared. Meanwhile, the Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, USF, Temple peers are the ones rising and developing far faster than the urban Catholic. In all ways academics as well.
 
If there is a fracture in the AAC (and we aren’t part of the fracture) we will absolutely go to the Big East and figure football out. No reason to be in a league that’s been back filled with Coastal Carolina and Liberty.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Quite frankly(TM), we don't have much in common culturally with either Villanova/Georgetown or Memphis/UCF.

We are a flagship public university. The question that's being sorted out in CR is:

Are we more like URI/UMass/UNH/Vermont or more like Michigan/UNC/Kansas/Oregon?

In the eyes of the national football powers, who largely drive the bus, the answer is clearly the former. That is killing us.
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I’m sorry, but this is a totally 2 demensional way of looking at this.

The students who attend UConn have much more in common with the students who attend Villanova and Georgetown than attend either UCF or Memphis OR URI/UNH.

This is reflected in both academic rankings and the quality of student enrolling at UConn as shown in SAT scores, GPA, class rankings etc.

Furthermore, Georgetown and Villanova are academic powerhouses respected the world over (especially Georgetown) that far out paces any “size” issue you might have with them.

Any school would want their brands associated with them, either on the basketball court or in the classroom.

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to say the same for ANY AAC school from UConn’s perspective.
 
Why would you not sign a GORs? Let's say another conference was being paid $25 million per year and the AAC paid $10 million per year. If the other conference offered membership, you walk and pay the penalties as you would make up the money in the near future. And, don't you think donors would ante up if a P5 conference offered membership? Right now, you do what you have to do to maximize current revenues.
 
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There are two possible solutions here for the best possible outcome for UConn athletics and academics (read: fundraising, endowment), and none of them involve dropping football and going back to the big east:

1) Just win baby
2) Chaos

One or both of those are bound to happen over the next 5 to 10 years.

For those looking at the last 8 years, your shortsighteness will be your own undoing. Play long ball. You can ride the storm for 10 more years, basketball isn't going to be irrelevant and football can only get better.
 
zls44 said:
Ah, yes, this would be the first shot, not the 100000 times conference realignment shot UConn in the head so far.
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Ha ha ... fair point. Still UConn needs to position itself to have a chance to succeed. Better?
 
I read the entire article so let me clear up what was actually discussed and what one can conclude:

1) UConn is in a bad place in terms of conference realignment...for now (I know I'm stating the obvious but this is reiterated in the piece more by what wasn't said than what was said)

2) TV money is currently split evenly among AAC members. The article discussions the possibility of top tier AAC teams getting a disproportionate amount of money as part of the GOR to keep these teams happy and agree to this. It is not clear who would make the cut. The majority of conferences share revenue evenly.

3) The whole point of a GOR is that ESPN doesn't invest in the conference only then for its most valuable assets to leave.

4) GORs are NOT ironclad

5) current AAC deal is well below market
 
Ajs120102 said:
Yeah Unless the amount of money you are getting for the deal is much larger with the GOR I don’t see how the big fish in the conference sign it (UCF, USF, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UConn). For the other big schools don’t know if you wanna risk possible P5 realignment before 2025 with a huge exit fee. And for UConn in the more likely scenerio they ditch AAC it would be for the Big East. But if the tv deal with GOR brings in an incredible amount of money compared to now they might be compelled to sign. Idk very tricky. Also don’t wanna be the rumors guy but it can’t be a coincidence that it’s coming right off the Big east commissioners comments about expanding to 11 which i would think would be UConn or less likely Gonzaga
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The NBE wants nothing to do with UCONN unless we axe the FBS football program. That's not happening anytime soon, if at all.
 
I am astounded that there are still people who think the Big East is some kind of solution to our situation. It's arguably not much better than the American in basketball right now, and the clear trend is that AAC teams are improving.

1. You do not sign a GOR at this point in time. The Big 12 may soon lose members. Nothing is settled in CR.

2. UConn cannot drop football, and independence is a death sentence given where we are right now.

3. The AAC deal will increase a lot, with or without a GOR.
 
I think a lot of players wanted to play for UConn because we had all these Big East games against teams like St. John’s, Villanova, Syracuse, and Georgetown. If we could get back into the Big East, I would be ecstatic.
 
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