AAC & Grant-of-Rights

[noeynox]

Lol, no you did not read that anywhere but on an AAC fan message board. No one is paying Tulane $10mm/year.

This is flawed thinking. Someone is getting ready to pay Rutgers 50 million. Someone pays Vanderbilt close to that.

If the money is enticing enough, UConn should consider this. I don't what that number is however to be enticing enough when all factors are taken into consideration.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I agree that we don't fit in the American but realistically the University doesn't fit with the other schools in the Big East at ALL. UConn would be the only land grant state university in a league with majority private catholic schools spread all the way from Nebraska to Rhode Island. Its one thing to want to play basketball in the Big East but lets not act like Creighton DePaul Butler and Marquette are peer institutions to UConn either

The Big East is not an academic consortium. It's an athletic conference. Your disingenuous attempts to paint the Big East as sprawling is absurd when compared to our current league. Yes, we'd still have to play games in Nebraska, Chicago, Indiana, and Wisconsin, but we'd also be adding games in NYC, northern Jersey, Providence, and DC. The travel is better. There are rivalries. The competition is better. It's clearly a better fit.

What does football provide us with? Getting our brains beat in at Tulsa and SMU? What value does that have? The only reason to keep losing money with football is if we think we might have a chance at a real conference. We don't. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen.

 

[CallMeBruce]

The question for the future is: does UConn want to be associated with major state universities like it should be? Or do they want better basketball and associated with catholic schools with student population rarely exceeding 6,000?

Which "major state universities" are we being associated with? Memphis? ECU? This is nonsense.

 

[Ajs120102]

Which "major state universities" are we being associated with? Memphis? ECU? This is nonsense.

I’d rather be associated with UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy. Not even a question

 

[Ajs120102]

Which "major state universities" are we being associated with? Memphis? ECU? This is nonsense.

Also Memphis athletic department is currently ahead of UConn especially if basketball gets better

 

[tcf15]

 

[gampelcrazies]

If UConn wants to be a national flagship university on the same level as a Michigan, it needs football. If we want to be like Providence, Villanova or Seton Hall, then yes by all means. The state pisses away money like it’s going out of style, and $6 Million a year is couch change. I wouldn’t get too heady about Hurley’s success as a reason to trash the football program. I never understand the animosity some BB fans have against their own school when it comes football. It’s pretty ok to root and support both.

MICHIGAN????????? You can’t be serious. UConn will never ever be like Michigan.

And by the way I am a season ticket holder for both basketball and football.

 

[CL82]

What does football provide us with? Getting our brains beat in at Tulsa and SMU?

Because if you have a bad season (or 8) you will always have a bad season. Should we abandon basketball? We've had two losing seasons in a row and last year brought us the most 20+ point defeats ever in school history.

 

[Drew]

The Big East is not an academic consortium. It's an athletic conference. Your disingenuous attempts to paint the Big East as sprawling is absurd when compared to our current league. Yes, we'd still have to play games in Nebraska, Chicago, Indiana, and Wisconsin, but we'd also be adding games in NYC, northern Jersey, Providence, and DC. The travel is better. There are rivalries. The competition is better. It's clearly a better fit.

What does football provide us with? Getting our brains beat in at Tulsa and SMU? What value does that have? The only reason to keep losing money with football is if we think we might have a chance at a real conference. We don't. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen.

I'm not ignoring that the AAC is extremely spread out. I'm just also not ignoring the reality that the University of Connecticut as an institution does not fit with any school in the Big East. You are ignoring that because you'd rather play basketball in the league but it doesn't make it untrue.

Just because you personally don't care about/like UConn football doesn't mean UConn should drop the sport. We've been playing football since 1896. You don't just drop athletic programs like that. We're in a thread talking about making more money than the Big East would because we have FBS football. You can't just ignore that.

We play games against the teams from the old Big East that we want to play (Cuse, GTown, Villanova, Providence, etc). If UConn can make $10mm a year in TV money and still play basketball against those teams while keeping football its really a no brainer.

 

[CL82]

MICHIGAN????????? You can’t be serious. UConn will never ever be like Michigan.

And by the way I am a season ticket holder for both basketball and football.

I remember fans and media alike advocating for UConn to leave the original Big East. We couldn't compete and were never likely to. Life was much better in the Yankee Conference. Regional rivalries with UMass, URI, Delaware and Holy Cross made travel so much easier, etc.

Thank God John Toner aspired to greater things.

 

[Guapo]

Which "major state universities" are we being associated with? Memphis? ECU? This is nonsense.

“Why should we want to be associated with minor athletic and academic brands like Georgetown and Villanova when we can be associated with major public academic and athletic powerhouses like UCF and Memphis?”

 

[CallMeBruce]

Because if you have a bad season (or 8) you will always have a bad season. Should we abandon basketball? We've had two losing seasons in a row and last year brought us the most 20+ point defeats ever in school history.

Is this really the smartest response you can come up with?

 

[gwhuskyfan]

Because if you have a bad season (or 8) you will always have a bad season. Should we abandon basketball? We've had two losing seasons in a row and last year brought us the most 20+ point defeats ever in school history.

From day one since Hurley has taken over things have gone in a better direction. I'm a football season ticket holder, so want the team to do well - but what has happened since RE took over. Nothing. We've gotten worse and have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country. I know it's easier to turn around a basketball team, but football has shown 0 signs of progress.

 

[Drew]

The Big East is not an academic consortium. It's an athletic conference. Your disingenuous attempts to paint the Big East as sprawling is absurd when compared to our current league. Yes, we'd still have to play games in Nebraska, Chicago, Indiana, and Wisconsin, but we'd also be adding games in NYC, northern Jersey, Providence, and DC. The travel is better. There are rivalries. The competition is better. It's clearly a better fit.

I don't know about the Big East but the American actually does have an academic consortium

American Athletic Conference - Academic Consortium

 

[CL82]

From day one since Hurley has taken over things have gone in a better direction. I'm a football season ticket holder, so want the team to do well - but what has happened since RE took over. Nothing. We've gotten worse and have one of the worst recruiting classes in the country. I know it's easier to turn around a basketball team, but football has shown 0 signs of progress.

What's happened is all the underclassman we started got experience. This season sucked, with a Diacon level of suck but it had to happen given how bare Diaco left the cupboard.

You buying your tickets next season? Just curious.

 

[Guapo]

The fact is that UConn has much more in common culturally with schools like Villanova, Georgetown and Providence than they do with public schools like Memphis or UC.

UConn competes with those schools for perspective students and those student bodies come from the same geographic and socio economic background.

UConn has absolutely nothing in common with the Memphises of the world. The schools in the AAC that UConn has most in common with are the private schools (SMU and Tulane) so the whole public vs private debate is totally irrelevant here.

 

[CL82]

Is this really the smartest response you can come up with?

No, but it is the simplest and when you are responding to someone making profoundly flawed arguments, simple is the way to start.

 

[Drew]

No, but it is the simplest and when you are responding to someone making profoundly flawed arguments, simple is the way to start.

he has yet to present one fact in this thread its been quite entertaining

 

[Guapo]

No, but it is the simplest and when you are responding to someone making profoundly flawed arguments, simple is the way to start.

There is no perfect argument here because there are no perfect answers.

Every arguments for one side or the other has its flaws, you just have to weigh the positives and negatives of each.

 

[CL82]

The fact is that UConn has much more common culturally with schools like Villanova, Georgetown and Providence than they do with public schools like Memphis or UC.

No it really doesn't. UConn is a major public and culturally it has limited shared goals with small privates. That is exactly the reason that the Big East failed.

Agree with you regarding Memphis, but not sure that matter much.

 

[Guapo]

No it really doesn't. UConn is a major public and culturally it has limited shared goals with small privates. That is exactly the reason that the Big East failed.

Agree with you regarding Memphis, but not sure that matter much.

Georgetown and Villanova are both major, national research universities.

 

[CL82]

There is no perfect argument here because there are no perfect answers.

Every arguments for one side or the other has its flaws, you just have to weigh the positives and negatives of each.

There are no perfect solutions, but the arguments can either be sound or flawed.

 

[CL82]

Georgetown and Villanova are both major, national research universities.

...and small private universities.

 

[upstater]

The future for the midlist private schools in this country is worse than murky. Projections are for major upheaval. You may be tying your boat to a sinking ship. Pay $50k to go to St. John's or pay $10k to go to Stony Brook? There will be a tidal wave coming in the next 10 years when the low population numbers of the current 5-15 year olds make it an "applier's market."

 

[kansashusky]

Am I the only one that thought part of Danny Hurley wanting to come to UConn had something to do with UConn going to the Big East in the works?