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A4 Seek Control Over NCAA Championships, Including Management of NCAA Basketball Tournament

EdgewoodNHV said:
This feels like a huge antitrust issue. It's one thing for power conferences to have huge bowl tie-ins and make all of the conference television money and want special access to the CFB.

But to literally control the NCAA tournament and allow zero influence from other conferences? Feels like monopolistic behavior that could be challenged in court

I do think smaller conferences have some power here. There is no NCAA tournament magic without Cinderellas. Without the Valparaisos and Farleigh Dickinsons of the world. The "A4" need smaller conferences here. And the smaller conferences should push back on this.
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More on point though, is there an NCAA tournament champion if you ice out the 6 time NCAA Champion in the last 25 years?
 
One more thing I'd add.

I'm surprised they are doing this so soon with the smaller schools in the small conferences, including the BE, paying the P4 football players of the past salaries for the next 10 yrs.

If you kick me out of the club, I'm not buying any more drinks.
 
So anyhow, as I said elsewhere; this is why the Big East merging with the ACC makes more sense than you're giving it credit for. That's more voters in the "yes" column supporting this if you bring them into the fold...

Football may drive the bus, but there's stupid big money in basketball and the SEC and B1G know they can't go that alone....

Honestly, this is good news for schools like Kansas and UConn. Neither will side up without their football programs being included too (nor should they).

Gone are the days of media markets. Now it's the era of compelling matchups people will want to pay streaming services to watch. UConn could be playing the Boston Metro Alliance of Middle Schools in basketball and it's must see TV... Imagine when you're playing Duke, UNC, Louisville, Syracuse etc...
 
Patman said:
Yes. How stupid of a question is that. You aren't owed anything.
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Owed? Who said anything about owed?

I never said anyone owed UConn anything.

It's not a stupid question at all when you've delegitimized what you're doing. And UConn is the test school for all of this because they can't say UConn is one of the schools that doesn't compete at the highest levels.

This has antitrust ramifications. UConn's status would be brought up in any court hearing the case
 
upstater said:
More on point though, is there an NCAA tournament champion if you ice out the 6 time NCAA Champion in the last 25 years?
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Yes.

The Ivy League were the football powers until they decided to opt out of scholarships, and then they became a national after thought
 
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CL82 said:
Yes.

The Ivy League were the football powers until they decided to opt out of scholarships, and then they became a national after thought
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That was their decision, though, right?

This would be a matter of icing out schools and sticking them outside of D1.
 
upstater said:
That was their decision, though, right?

This would be a matter of icing out schools and sticking them outside of D1.
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Sure, but the end result was the same, right? The best players went to where they were most compensated and fans watched the best games and disregarded the former powers of the sport. I strongly doubt the results would be any different.

No one is going to be pushed out of DI. Instead, a group of schools will choose to compensate players more. Some schools will choose not to follow that path and will be marginalized because of it. In the meantime, the conference structure of P* schools will mean that they play each other more and play nonconference teams less which will impact the visibility of what we currently call G5 teams.

None of that is telling anyone they are kicked out of Division I sports even if it will have the same practical effect. I don't love it, obviously, but I don't see a path to successfully stopping it.
 
CL82 said:
Sure, but the end result was the same, right? The best players went to where they were most compensated and fans watched the best games and disregarded the former powers of the sport. I strongly doubt the results would be any different.

No one is going to be pushed out of DI. Instead, a group of schools will choose to compensate players more. Some schools will choose not to follow that path and will be marginalized because of it. In the meantime, the conference structure of P* schools will mean that they play each other more and play nonconference teams less which will impact the visibility of what we currently call G5 teams.

None of that is telling anyone they are kicked out of Division I sports even if it will have the same practical effect. I don't love it, obviously, but I don't see a path to successfully stopping it.
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It literally says they are going to close ranks in the article we're discussing.

The P4 are taking over the championships. If it looks like football they will curtail bids to teams outside the P4. After they do that, they'll create the divisions.

This is what I mean by freezing out.

There are a million ways they'll ice you. I mean, even the reffing is going to go against you. If there's such a thing as conference refs (and we all know that's true, they get paid by the conference, some of these guys walk around with duffel bags representing the schools and the conferences), get ready for P4 refs.
 
upstater said:
It literally says they are going to close ranks in the article we're discussing.

The P4 are taking over the championships. If it looks like football they will curtail bids to teams outside the P4. After they do that, they'll create the divisions.

This is what I mean by freezing out.

There are a million ways they'll ice you. I mean, even the reffing is going to go against you. If there's such a thing as conference refs (and we all know that's true, they get paid by the conference, some of these guys walk around with duffel bags representing the schools and the conferences), get ready for P4 refs.
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Now all of those things I agree will undoubtedly happen, but that's different than saying that the non-P* schools will be "outside of D1."

You and I can agree that the endgame is to marginalize the non- P* schools. Once that's done, then they'll likely start weeding out the non-performing P* schools.
 
Not going to happen, yet. The courts will get involved as well as the politicians as we see already. This is going to be a crap show
 
CL82 said:
Now all of those things I agree will undoubtedly happen, but that's different than saying that the non-P* schools will be "outside of D1."

You and I can agree that the endgame is to marginalize the non- P* schools. Once that's done, then they'll likely start weeding out the non-performing P* schools.
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Well. Good thing your conference is likely to merge and become a part of the power conference structure in this new basketball world, eh?
 
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RedRabbit84 said:
Well. Good thing your conference is likely to merge and become a part of the power conference structure in this new basketball world, eh?
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Oh, I don't know how likely it is. Which do you follow again?
 
CL82 said:
The team you follow is nonsense? Oh, I doubt it's that bad.
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I've made my position clear, and I've stated numerous times why I'm not telling. It's not important to the conversation. Trust me, my team is fine. I'm just interested in what's going on elsewhere in college sports. This obsession of yours has wasted numerous pages of an otherwise decent thread, and proving EXACTLY why I'm not interested in bringing my team into the conversation... You wouldn't be able to let it go.
 
upstater said:
More on point though, is there an NCAA tournament champion if you ice out the 6 time NCAA Champion in the last 25 years?
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It certainly damages the credibility, and that's why they won't be iced out.
 
RedRabbit84 said:
proving EXACTLY why I'm not interested in bringing my team into the conversation... You wouldn't be able to let it go.
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Lol, it's that bad? Oh, now I actually want to know.
 
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Question for the doom and gloomers: If it is so obvious to everyone that there is some subset of chosen teams that will survive, and everyone else is screwed, why haven't dozens of athletic programs dramatically slashed their spending and de-emphasized sports? What do you know that they don't know?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Question for the doom and gloomers: If it is so obvious to everyone that there is some subset of chosen teams that will survive, and everyone else is screwed, why haven't dozens of athletic programs dramatically slashed their spending and de-emphasized sports? What do you know that they don't know?
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nelsonmuntz said:
Question for the doom and gloomers: If it is so obvious to everyone that there is some subset of chosen teams that will survive, and everyone else is screwed, why haven't dozens of athletic programs dramatically slashed their spending and de-emphasized sports? What do you know that they don't know?
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I don't think anyone is going to eliminate their own jobs before they have to. Although Indiana of all schools seems to be cutting spending. The best course is to ignore the problem. Hope everything turns out alright in the morning.

 
The idea of a tournament without AT LEAST the Big East a part of it in some way is an utter non starter and isn't happening. Don't worry about that.
 
Ok we have narrowed it down gentlemen. You will find his fandom inside the Big East.

Probably Pee Cee
 
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jostar1 said:
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Like I've said; shifting focus to basketball is great news for UConn.

Some form of merger/partnership/media deal between the Big East and ACC benefits both parties.

When that happens, UConn is likely playing football with an ACC patch when the dust settles.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Question for the doom and gloomers: If it is so obvious to everyone that there is some subset of chosen teams that will survive, and everyone else is screwed, why haven't dozens of athletic programs dramatically slashed their spending and de-emphasized sports? What do you know that they don't know?
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They are setting up deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
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