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UConn's numbers are just too messed up right now due to basically playing zero games with a fully healthy and functional starting five so far this year. So I would take Kenpom numbers with a large grain of salt.

Games 1-2 Clingan was on a minutes restriction.

Then Castle was out completely from games 3 - 8.

Then Castle was on a minutes restriction games 9 - 11 (can't find if he technically was for SHU but he only played 20).

Then Clingan got hurt in the second half of SHU (game 12) and has been out 13 - 16 so far.

It would be generous to say UConn had a minute restricted starting five for a total of 5.5 games this year and a fully functional starting roster for .5 (first half of SHU).
 
HooperScooper said:
Syracuse last made the top 25 in December 2018....

Imagine going 5+ years without being ranked? We'd freak!
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In their defense, a lot of people don't pay attention to Canadian basketball.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Calling the people currently paid to generate articles "journalists" and the work they perform "reporting" is a big stretch.
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Journalism is dead.

The only journalism being done is by local reporters and the associated press.

Everything else is hot takes
 
Huskygrad88 said:
Parish rally does a good job explaining Purdue over us, and based on stats he’s right on. We can counter with some maybes and coulda, mighta, but they have better Q 1 and 2, 5 wins against top 20 NET, and beat us on most computer metrics.

I’ll take #2 in college hoops in the oh so critical CBSSports line poll right now knowing we’ve still got significant upside.
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Who you taking on a neutral floor if everyone is healthy?
 
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Personally, I enjoy it much more when they are all forced to bow down before us, reluctantly, at the end.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Who you taking on a neutral floor if everyone is healthy?
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Absolutely irrelevant for ranking the teams on 1/11/24. Clingan is not playing at the moment, and as much as I hate to write this, we really do not know when he is coming back, what his game will be like, or how likely he is to get hurt again. In my mind you rank on what a team has right now not on “if”; perhaps others take a different view.

But to answer your other question-absolutely UConn for so many reasons.
 
Huskygrad88 said:
Absolutely irrelevant for ranking the teams on 1/11/24. Clingan is not playing at the moment, and as much as I hate to write this, we really do not know when he is coming back, what his game will be like, or how likely he is to get hurt again. In my mind you rank on what a team has right now not on “if”; perhaps others take a different view.

But to answer your other question-absolutely UConn for so many reasons.
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Regarding DC, this is a brave statement on this forum but very, very true. I would go so far as to change "when he is coming back" to "if he is coming back." His return is not a function of UConn's need for him. It is a function of guaranteeing his health for a future NBA career -- a career that can be reasonably valued in eight, maybe nine, figures.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Exactly.

It's a Quad 1 win, but they have to denigrate it somehow, including a take as flimsy as "well, they were losing by 1 at one point.)
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TV "journalists" don't want to lose the loyal (even if undeserved) support of the nostalgic fans who still believe this garbage. As long as we keep rubbing their noses in it the more foolish they look.
 
Huskygrad88 said:
Absolutely irrelevant for ranking the teams on 1/11/24. Clingan is not playing at the moment, and as much as I hate to write this, we really do not know when he is coming back, what his game will be like, or how likely he is to get hurt again. In my mind you rank on what a team has right now not on “if”; perhaps others take a different view.

But to answer your other question-absolutely UConn for so many reasons.
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I think this is fair and you changed my opinion, thanks.
 
Sphinx said:
Regarding DC, this is a brave statement on this forum but very, very true. I would go so far as to change "when he is coming back" to "if he is coming back." His return is not a function of UConn's need for him. It is a function of guaranteeing his health for a future NBA career -- a career that can be reasonably valued in eight, maybe nine, figures.
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No, it's not if he's coming back. He's coming back.
 
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aburks41 said:
This is what Hurley means when he says we still do not get the respect that we’ve earned - not deserved - earned. How do programs like Purdue and Houston get more respect from the media as media darlings when they have accomplished absolutely nothing?
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Huge cities...........ratings matter.
 
superjohn said:
No, it's not if he's coming back. He's coming back.
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I truly hope you are correct. Because when he comes back we are the best team in the country and honestly if we get the 2022- 2023 version of DC even if he only plays 20 minutes a game, I don’t think it is even close.
 
SilentDog said:
I truly hope you are correct. Because when he comes back we are the best team in the country and honestly if we get the 2022- 2023 version of DC even if he only plays 20 minutes a game, I don’t think it is even close.
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He can always reinjure it while rehabbing or get another injury just like every player can. I'll I'm saying is there's zero plans from Donovan, the coaches, his camp, or doctors to shut him down for the draft.
 
Let me try to say it in a nutshell.

1. DC has already brought us the national championship that was his goal.
2. Having done that, he passed on millions of NBA dollars in order to try for a second natty.
3. His reward for that was a pracfice injury that sidelined him for a month.
4. He came back from the injury to play with clearly diminished stamina and agility.
5. His reward for that was a second injury that has so far sidelined him 3 1/2 weeks.
6. So here's the question -- if he comes back from this second injury, what will be his reward?

Well, miracles happen. DC could come back 100% recovered, somehow get himself in basketball shape, play up to last year's form (or better) and lead UConn to a 6th natty. You can't ask too much of a miracle.

But real-life experience suggests otherwise. It suggests that DC will not be playing on 100% sound footing this season. He certainly will not be in mid-season condition when he does, and as a result, he will will more susceptible to reinjury. Who knows -- he may give us enough minutes to contribute to a 6th natty -- but his reward may well be a third injury or an aggravation of a previous injury that impacts his pre-draft evaluations this spring. We are talking evaluations that could yield a nine-digit lifetime income.

For Donovan to take such a risk would be selfless but not surprising. For those with Donovan's interests at heart, it would be surprising.

For us fans, it might be time to stop projecting DC's return. There's little doubt that fan expectations have an influence on DC's
decision-making. It might be good, even kind in a way, to let our expectations be nothing more than that DC do what's best for DC.
 
Sphinx said:
There's little doubt that fan expectations have an influence on DC's decision-making.
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There is much, much more than a little doubt on this point. DC needs to be smarter than that and I'd be disappointed if he and his inner circle were not.
I fully expect him to do what's best for him according to his own goals and priorities. As I fan, I'm going to continue to hope that his goals, objectives and capabilities align with my hopes as a fan. That's what fans do. But you do you.
 
Sphinx said:
Let me try to say it in a nutshell.

1. DC has already brought us the national championship that was his goal.
2. Having done that, he passed on millions of NBA dollars in order to try for a second natty.
3. His reward for that was a pracfice injury that sidelined him for a month.
4. He came back from the injury to play with clearly diminished stamina and agility.
5. His reward for that was a second injury that has so far sidelined him 3 1/2 weeks.
6. So here's the question -- if he comes back from this second injury, what will be his reward?

Well, miracles happen. DC could come back 100% recovered, somehow get himself in basketball shape, play up to last year's form (or better) and lead UConn to a 6th natty. You can't ask too much of a miracle.

But real-life experience suggests otherwise. It suggests that DC will not be playing on 100% sound footing this season. He certainly will not be in mid-season condition when he does, and as a result, he will will more susceptible to reinjury. Who knows -- he may give us enough minutes to contribute to a 6th natty -- but his reward may well be a third injury or an aggravation of a previous injury that impacts his pre-draft evaluations this spring. We are talking evaluations that could yield a nine-digit lifetime income.

For Donovan to take such a risk would be selfless but not surprising. For those with Donovan's interests at heart, it would be surprising.

For us fans, it might be time to stop projecting DC's return. There's little doubt that fan expectations have an influence on DC's
decision-making. It might be good, even kind in a way, to let our expectations be nothing more than that DC do what's best for DC.
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I don't understand what this is all about. You're overthinking it. Unless he has an injury set back he's coming back in the relatively near future. Is he going to be in game shape from moment one? Doubtful, but the BET tournament is two months from now. Does his presence in the lineup immediately make this team better? Of course.

This staff would never jeopardize a kid's future for short term gains but that's why you have medical professionals making these decisions. The reality is that every time a kid that large takes the court you're holding your breath to a certain extent. When he's cleared, he's coming back.
 
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Sphinx said:
Let me try to say it in a nutshell.

1. DC has already brought us the national championship that was his goal.
2. Having done that, he passed on millions of NBA dollars in order to try for a second natty.
3. His reward for that was a pracfice injury that sidelined him for a month.
4. He came back from the injury to play with clearly diminished stamina and agility.
5. His reward for that was a second injury that has so far sidelined him 3 1/2 weeks.
6. So here's the question -- if he comes back from this second injury, what will be his reward?

Well, miracles happen. DC could come back 100% recovered, somehow get himself in basketball shape, play up to last year's form (or better) and lead UConn to a 6th natty. You can't ask too much of a miracle.

But real-life experience suggests otherwise. It suggests that DC will not be playing on 100% sound footing this season. He certainly will not be in mid-season condition when he does, and as a result, he will will more susceptible to reinjury. Who knows -- he may give us enough minutes to contribute to a 6th natty -- but his reward may well be a third injury or an aggravation of a previous injury that impacts his pre-draft evaluations this spring. We are talking evaluations that could yield a nine-digit lifetime income.

For Donovan to take such a risk would be selfless but not surprising. For those with Donovan's interests at heart, it would be surprising.

For us fans, it might be time to stop projecting DC's return. There's little doubt that fan expectations have an influence on DC's
decision-making. It might be good, even kind in a way, to let our expectations be nothing more than that DC do what's best for DC.
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What you're saying is very reasonable and very logical, all very good points for a player who has seen lottery projections

But...I don't think Hurley recruits players who hold themselves out to preserve a draft spot. I'd bet Donovan will ask to come back before the staff tells him that he's ready to come back, and I'm sure he'll get very mad at Hurley for ramping him up on a minutes restriction because he'll want to play more
 
Duke is not a threat
huskiesouth said:
Well thank goodness there's an opportunity for Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky to save college basketball from the mediocrity of UConn, the defending, 5-time NCAA champions, as the big 3 reclaim their rightful place (apparently earned or not).
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Duke is not a threat to do anything significant this year. A severely flawed team that will be overseeded and exit early
 
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