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Come on. If we're even a decent team, we should be able to blow out a Houston team MISSING THREE STARTERS. I mean honestly.
Say that to PC last season when we beat them without most of UConn's players. It happens. People step up their game at times when you least expect it. Last season UConn should never have beaten Cuse or Michigan State. UConn played out their *sses. Houston did it to UConn the other day.

Houston hit us in the gut, gained confidence and started making contested shots they didn't make all season. UConn was down one of the three headed centers, DD and OC had horrible games, and every one of the plays that Oka points out went Houston's way. It was the perfect storm against UConn. It happens all the time in sports.

I didn't expect UConn to lose to Houston, not with three players down. But it happened. Let's hope it doesn't happen too often to this team.
 
Here's what Ollie said prior to the Houston game. Applies more than ever after the Houston game:

“It’s not like we have five first-round picks on our team and a monster. We don’t have that,” Ollie said. “I try to tell people we have to play together as a team for us win. We don’t have the monster teams we had prior. People are like ‘You’re supposed to blow this team out!’ No, you play strong basketball and you play together basketball, we can play against anybody. But on any day if we don’t have those things working in our favor, we can get beat.”
And this is the difference between a realistic KO and some fans in this forum. There is not much wiggle room with this team. They need to play at an optimum to beat many teams. Few people perform optimally all the time. So this team will suffer losses. Those of us who look at the team like KO will understand this. Those of us who have different expectations most likely will be disappointed or angry.
 
Say that to PC last season when we beat them without most of UConn's players. It happens. People step up their game at times when you least expect it. Last season UConn should never have beaten Cuse or Michigan State. UConn played out their *sses. Houston did it to UConn the other day.

Houston hit us in the gut, gained confidence and started making contested shots they didn't make all season. UConn was down one of the three headed centers, DD and OC had horrible games, and every one of the plays that Oka points out went Houston's way. It was the perfect storm against UConn. It happens all the time in sports.

I didn't expect UConn to lose to Houston, not with three players down. But it happened. Let's hope it doesn't happen too often to this team.
You've got to be kidding.
Providence lost to Uconn not freakin Houston. PC should always lose to uconn because we are uconn and they are providence. Syracuse and Michigan St were upset by Uconn NOT HOUSTON. There is a huge difference and I really hope you realize that and aren't comparing us to Houston.
Once again, every team has a bad game. But we've had a bunch in a row now. And there's no explanation and no reason that game should be so bad so we lose to Houston (missing 3 starters).
 
You've got to be kidding.
Providence lost to Uconn not freakin Houston. PC should always lose to uconn because we are uconn and they are providence. Syracuse and Michigan St were upset by Uconn NOT HOUSTON. There is a huge difference and I really hope you realize that and aren't comparing us to Houston.
Once again, every team has a bad game. But we've had a bunch in a row now. And there's no explanation and no reason that game should be so bad so we lose to Houston (missing 3 starters).

The 12 point road win @ Washington and 17 point home win against Eastern Washington were bad games? I was trying to give you a shot here man but welcome to the blocked list.
 
So I guess we should just believe this? This is all from your vantage point as a UConn fan. We lost to Houston without their best three players. Balls not going our way, fluky plays, and contested threes were not the reason we lost.
3 starters =/= 3 best players. If we were missing Nolan, Omar, and Boat would you say we were missing our 3 best players?

Yes we came out like and had nothing left at winning time but the only reason it was even close is because Houston shot about 60 percent on riffraff shots in the first half and a couple guys went off on us which always seems to happen. Try and catch a Houston game later in the season playing a shmuck team. I'd be willing to bet they play awfully and dudes who had random stellar games against us (Stiggers, Knowles) aren't even noticeable.
 
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You've got to be kidding.
Providence lost to Uconn not freakin Houston. PC should always lose to uconn because we are uconn and they are providence. Syracuse and Michigan St were upset by Uconn NOT HOUSTON. There is a huge difference and I really hope you realize that and aren't comparing us to Houston.
Once again, every team has a bad game. But we've had a bunch in a row now. And there's no explanation and no reason that game should be so bad so we lose to Houston (missing 3 starters).
We were as short handed as it gets and that PC was decent and had gone through a nice stretch beating several good BE teams to get themselves into consideration for the NCAA's. No OC, no Niels, no TO, and Bazz was nursing a foot injury. RJ played 42 minutes that game. Leon played 15 minutes. I'm not comparing us to Houston. I was making a case that no game is certain.
 
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And this is the difference between a realistic KO and some fans in this forum. There is not much wiggle room with this team. They need to play at an optimum to beat many teams. Few people perform optimally all the time. So this team will suffer losses. Those of us who look at the team like KO will understand this. Those of us who have different expectations most likely will be disappointed or angry.

WRONG. We have more than enough talent and experience to beat (or soundly beat) Houston, BC, Stanford, Washington, Loy0la, Eastern Washington, etc.

Its coming out flat, making the same dumb mistakes over and over, no offense/all dribbling, lazy defense in the halfcourt and transition, a lack of focus, and frankly bad coaching at times that have resulted in every game being close. Florida and Indiana fine. But the rest is not. Stop making excuses. Were a flawed team with no big man, but we still should be playing much better than we are.
 
We were as short handed as it gets and that PC was decent and had gone through a nice stretch beating several good BE teams to get themselves into consideration for the NCAA's. No OC, no Niels, no TO, and Bazz was nursing a foot injury. RJ played 42 minutes that game. Leon played 15 minutes. I'm not comparing us to Houston. I was making a case that no game is certain.
We are UCONN not Houston or PC. Do not try to compare under any scenario, PC losing to UConn to Uconn losing to Houston.
 
WRONG. We have more than enough talent and experience to beat (or soundly beat) Houston, BC, Stanford, Washington, Loy0la, Eastern Washington, etc.

Its coming out flat, making the same dumb mistakes over and over, no offense/all dribbling, lazy defense in the halfcourt and transition, a lack of focus, and frankly bad coaching at times that have resulted in every game being close. Florida and Indiana fine. But the rest is not. Stop making excuses. Were a flawed team with no big man, but we still should be playing much better than we are.
Are you a Division 1 coach? Have you played Division 1 basket ball and demonstrated the type of play you're insisting this team should be playing at?

This team has had two really convincing wins in two years, the MSU game and the Cuse game. They have not demonstrated anything that makes your opinion be anything more than an opinion. You have ideas about how this team should be playing which is not being met by the team. So you insist on blaming the team instead of reevaluating your opinions.
 
Some good points, OK4. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Tuesday's loss wasn't discouraging, but at the same time, it wasn't completely unexpected. As I've said countless times on this board, fans direct a disproportionate amount of their energy on the W or the L, and not the quality of the performance. This team has demonstrated many, many times over the last couple of years that the quality of their performance is very much contingent on the quality of their opponent. If you had told me Tuesday afternoon we were going to lose to Houston, I wouldn't have been shocked. We've had our hands full with bad teams on several occasions the last two years - people forget the Quinnipiac and South Florida games from a year ago because we won. And if Michigan State and Syracuse would have hit a few more shots, people would have forgotten about those great performances, too. The only difference between the Quinnipiac and Houston games was that Houston played a little bit better, got a couple more bounces, and made a couple more shots. So I ask: how big of a sample size do we need before we just accept that this team is what it is? It's not going to distance itself from bad teams, because it has an abundance of mid-major/raw talent in the post and its highly dependent on the three ball. That's not to say they didn't play like the other night, because they did. The difference being, when Kentucky and Syracuse play like , they win, because they're able to generate enough easy baskets to simply out-talent their opponents on nights where their shot isn't falling. This team doesn't have that luxury, so agonizing, nail-biting type games against the Houston's and Boston College's of the world become the norm.

But we all know things aren't nearly as bleak as they looked Tuesday. This afternoon, I was looking at ESPN's most recent edition of "bracketology", and I was saying to myself, "Why the hell can't we make the final four with that draw?" We'd play Boise State or Tennessee in the round of 64, a similarly composed Villanova team in the round of 32, and then Michigan State and Syracuse - who we beat last season - in our own barn at MSG to get to the final four.

That's just college basketball. There are about ten teams that are really good, and then there are a ton of other teams who can beat anybody but also struggle to distinguish themselves against bad teams. What makes college basketball great is also what makes it frustrating.

Of course, there's a possibility that Boatright, Calhoun, and Daniels all mange to put it together by the end of the season and begin performing at a high level on a consistent basis. But that seems unlikely. Right now, this team is what they are - a solid defensive team with one of the best players in the country and a hit-or-miss supporting cast. If that supporting cast hits, we could be dancing all the way to the final weekend. If it misses, things could go really badly. The sooner people on this board come to grips with this reality, the sooner we can stop questioning our players character after every loss and questioning Kevin Ollie.
 
Are you a Division 1 coach? Have you played Division 1 basket ball and demonstrated the type of play you're insisting this team should be playing at?

This team has had two really convincing wins in two years, the MSU game and the Cuse game. They have not demonstrated anything that makes your opinion be anything more than an opinion. You have ideas about how this team should be playing which is not being met by the team. So you insist on blaming the team instead of reevaluating your opinions.

Actually I agree with you. I don't think this team is that good. I guess that comment was more directed to those on this board who keep downplaying every game that we play poorly. I agree with you actually and sadly have had to reevaluate my opinions. With that said we should still beat a depleted Houston team no matter what
 
The 12 point road win @ Washington and 17 point home win against Eastern Washington were bad games? I was trying to give you a shot here man but welcome to the blocked list.

You're blaming a loss to a depleted Houston team on fluke plays and a Phil Nolan sickness and I'm the delusional one? Stop with the excuses. It's been going on all season.
 
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Now they had their 3 best players not playing? How badly are you trying to portray a worst than actual scenario?
Sorry bro three of their starters were out so yes three of their best players did not play. Just portraying what happened.
 
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Sorry bro three of their starters were out so yes three of their best players did not play. Just portraying what happened.

Well, one of the three "starters" plays 10 minutes a night and averages 2.9 ppg.

The other two are double-figure guys definitely in their top four, but they are shooting 36 and 37 percent from the floor. The guys who got more minutes - Stiggers and that skinny freshman (Knowles?) stepped up and were more efficient, and they leaned more heavily on their best player.

I know I'm splitting hairs. Still shouldn't have lost to them.
 
If they actually have 3 guys better than the Thomas kid, they should be a load when they're all back in the lineup, he looked solid. Granted its the only time I've seen him and we're not exactly running out the Pacers front line. Wait, we aren't an NBA team?
 
That's why I'm so mad. Because we should be a lot better than we are! We have shabazz and some talented players, but we continuously play down to our competition and struggle to beat bad or average teams. I haven't given up. I sure hope we can turn it around.
But what I'm saying is, it's far from "one bad game" at this point. We've played this way all season. Well see if KO can figure it out

Now I'm confused All Day. We stink but we are really talented? So you think we are under performing? And your anger? Is that because the team doesn't care/try? I'm really asking, not being a wise guy.

I think we have a great point guard and a couple of average starters (for top level college ball) and have been below average at the 3 and the 5. So I don't see the great talent. We don't have great talent because we lost scholarships, were denied post season play, had a HoF coach resign and KO started with a 3 month contract. So I see a team that has won on hustle & Bazz last year and this.

And, though I get frustrated, I really never doubt that the kids who put thousands of hours into this team, care/try less than a middle-aged, armchair alum like me.
 
We have one good half per game. And, we have one bad half per game. Sometimes we're better in our good half than we were bad in our bad half. That's when we win games. If we play two good halves in a row then we can beat Louisville and Memphis.
 
3 starters =/= 3 best players. If we were missing Nolan, Omar, and Boat would you say we were missing our 3 best players?

Yes we came out like and had nothing left at winning time but the only reason it was even close is because Houston shot about 60 percent on riffraff shots in the first half and a couple guys went off on us which always seems to happen. Try and catch a Houston game later in the season playing a shmuck team. I'd be willing to bet they play awfully and dudes who had random stellar games against us (Stiggers, Knowles) aren't even noticeable.
Maybe Stiggers but not Knowles-he's a nice player
Stiggers, I'm quite sure played the college game of his life
 
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Well, one of the three "starters" plays 10 minutes a night and averages 2.9 ppg.

The other two are double-figure guys definitely in their top four, but they are shooting 36 and 37 percent from the floor. The guys who got more minutes - Stiggers and that skinny freshman (Knowles?) stepped up and were more efficient, and they leaned more heavily on their best player.

I know I'm splitting hairs. Still shouldn't have lost to them.

Knowles played out of his butt……made a throw on the run across the middle and made a BIG 3 with the clock down to 2 which was a heave and a prayer…..happens…..he was punk too, elbowed TO a couple times after scoring. Really wanted someone to drop him! But he and Stiggers played as good if not better than expectations would have been from the missing guys……no biggie there.

But bottom line as Gurley said, should be 1-0 in the league.
 
Now I'm confused All Day. We stink but we are really talented? So you think we are under performing? And your anger? Is that because the team doesn't care/try? I'm really asking, not being a wise guy.

I think we have a great point guard and a couple of average starters (for top level college ball) and have been below average at the 3 and the 5. So I don't see the great talent. We don't have great talent because we lost scholarships, were denied post season play, had a HoF coach resign and KO started with a 3 month contract. So I see a team that has won on hustle & Bazz last year and this.

And, though I get frustrated, I really never doubt that the kids who put thousands of hours into this team, care/try less than a middle-aged, armchair alum like me.

No I don't think we are very talented unlike most on this board. But we are certainly more tented than Houston missing three starters and some of the other average teams we barely beat this year.

The fact that we lost to a Houston team missing three starters and people on this board try to make excuses and explain that away is shocking
 
Now I'm confused All Day. We stink but we are really talented? So you think we are under performing? And your anger? Is that because the team doesn't care/try? I'm really asking, not being a wise guy.

I think we have a great point guard and a couple of average starters (for top level college ball) and have been below average at the 3 and the 5. So I don't see the great talent. We don't have great talent because we lost scholarships, were denied post season play, had a HoF coach resign and KO started with a 3 month contract. So I see a team that has won on hustle & Bazz last year and this.

And, though I get frustrated, I really never doubt that the kids who put thousands of hours into this team, care/try less than a middle-aged, armchair alum like me.
By the way have you never seen a talented team stink? We're you around for 2010 or 2012?? Or any other hundred college teams across the country over the years.
 
Semantics I guess. I would say a talented played lousy, grossly under achieved. Like our team with Rudy Gay, Charlie V, etc, rater than say they stink. Like I said, I really was asking questions.
But I still don't know why you personalize it so much that they sucked.They didn't lose to piss us off. I guarantee it bothers them more than it does you.


I don't think they would lose to Houston again. I also wouldn't bet on UCONN if we played Florida again
 
You're blaming a loss to a depleted Houston team on fluke plays and a Phil Nolan sickness and I'm the delusional one? Stop with the excuses. It's been going on all season.
And don't forget the small crowd and that it was New Year's Eve(that's my personal favorite)...you left those points out!!!:rolleyes:
 
The 2011 team had some losses to weak teams and won the national championship. Most teams need wake-up calls several times during the season. This team has character and will respond.
 
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No I don't think we are very talented unlike most on this board. But we are certainly more tented than Houston missing three starters and some of the other average teams we barely beat this year.

The fact that we lost to a Houston team missing three starters and people on this board try to make excuses and explain that away is shocking
free scooter wants heads to roll. He has never been happy with KO so he's looking for "excuses" to validate his hopes that anything to do with JC is removed from UConn.

You are looking for excuses to validate that this team is not as good as some fans have hyped.

The OP never made excuses. He analyzed the loss. You are confusing analysis with opinion. This team runs a fine line every game with a win or a loss. Most teams do. He listed the plays that were the difference between a victory and a loss. That's not making excuses. That's just summarizing the game from a position that the cup had some fluid in it.

It was a bad loss and no one is saying otherwise. People are just not going to the extent you are and saying this team is bad based on this bad loss. It certainly is possible this will turn out to be a bad season, but that isn't definite. So why jump the gun. The OP made the comment that we should be prepared for the worst but hope for the best. It's good advice.

And as far as the term "excuses" goes certainly there are people that overlook negativity, but not every person who defends a player or a team overlooks flaws or bad play. Learn to discern between a reasonable presentation of something versus something that is only intended as spin. The OP has a history of examining the good and the bad. He is not prone to exaggeration of things purely to validate an opinion.

I would recommend you learn not to treat things as absolutes. Life isn't absolute. You are setting parameters that insist on outcomes that reality has shown to be false. Otherwise explain how UCF beat Baylor and Oklahoma beat Alabama in football this week. The Houston upset was nothing compared to those upsets. Treat life as a set of probabilities. UConn was the favorite to win the game, but even oddsmakers know that predictions are fallible.

I have lots of strong opinions. I will defend them, but I love it when someone can show me something that requires that I reconsider my construct. The best thinkers are people who have well developed thoughts but are not close minded.
 
i think ollie is a good coach and will adjust throughout this season and next... i think he'll realize he's going to need to prioritize getting bigs bc he can get guards... this is all a learning curve for him... my only thing is that shabazz needs to take over like kemba, he's trying to get everyone involved which is great but he cant wait for the second half to take over
 
Oh fleud, you are so stuck in your ways it is hilarious. While it is true that I did not want Ollie as our head coach and I didn't think it was appropriate that Calhoun left like he did and forced Ollie on us, I have no problem with the Calhoun legacy. It got a little sloppy at the end, but that happens with most long term head coaches. I wanted us to select the best coach out there, because we could have attracted a high end guy, and quite honestly I am not convinced that Kevin Ollie is anywhere close to that. So far over all I'd rate him as fine. Not brilliant, not the next Calhoun by any stretch, but not Mike Rice either. But I felt, and really still feel that in this uncertain time for our athletic programs, we should have gone looking for a proven head coach because if Ollie fails, it won't be like rebounding when we were in the Big East. It will be 50 or 100 times more difficult. And answer me this. Which major program would have hired Kevin Ollie as its head coach had there been an opening? Would Duke? UNC? Kentucky? UCLA? Indiana? Kansas? Michigan State? Louisville? Even the B level "power" programs? Georgetown? Villanova? That is one of the things that frosts me about the current Athletic director. He has no appreciation for where we are as a basketball program. None. though in his defense neither do most fans in a funny way. And he showed it in the Ollie hire.
 
The fundamental issue with your argument 'All Day' is that great teams (or even good teams) are infallible. Not only is your standard that we shouldn't lose to inferior teams, you are saying that we should be perfect against them. We beat Washington by 12 in our first true road game (after the early struggles) and comfortably handled Eastern Washington, but you continue to cite that as part of your argument that we should collectively hit the panic button. I disagree with that conclusion. Arizona State does too after last night.

Louisville, last year, lost three games in a row in January including a 9 point road loss to Villanova in a game they were favored by 11.5 points on their way to a national title. Villanova was an 11-7 team at the time.
 
Oh fleud, you are so stuck in your ways it is hilarious. While it is true that I did not want Ollie as our head coach and I didn't think it was appropriate that Calhoun left like he did and forced Ollie on us, I have no problem with the Calhoun legacy. It got a little sloppy at the end, but that happens with most long term head coaches. I wanted us to select the best coach out there, because we could have attracted a high end guy, and quite honestly I am not convinced that Kevin Ollie is anywhere close to that. So far over all I'd rate him as fine. Not brilliant, not the next Calhoun by any stretch, but not Mike Rice either. But I felt, and really still feel that in this uncertain time for our athletic programs, we should have gone looking for a proven head coach because if Ollie fails, it won't be like rebounding when we were in the Big East. It will be 50 or 100 times more difficult. And answer me this. Which major program would have hired Kevin Ollie as its head coach had there been an opening? Would Duke? UNC? Kentucky? UCLA? Indiana? Kansas? Michigan State? Louisville? Even the B level "power" programs? Georgetown? Villanova? That is one of the things that frosts me about the current Athletic director. He has no appreciation for where we are as a basketball program. None. though in his defense neither do most fans in a funny way. And he showed it in the Ollie hire.

What a ridiculous question….which program would hire KO? He didn't play for any of them when he became available so why would they take a flier on him, stupid! He's a Husky and the only school to put him on that position would be UConn to "keep it in the family" just as it needs to be. Let me ask you this free, would JC be traveling with the team if Shaka Smart was the coach? Would Donny Marshall, Ray, Rudy, Jake or any others be hanging around if Smart were the coach…he was a flier but he was also family and it needs to stay that way. If he is learning on the fly so be it, he is good and will be better then as time goes on. UConn basketball would not be the same with an outsider at this point….no way no how! It was the right thing to do, he is the guy so get on board or just STFU…..seriously!
 
Oka4, I'll also wager that Villanova was at worst a top 100 team. Houston was a 233. That's worse than Yale, Eastern Washington and Detroit. That was a very bad basketball team that we lost to. Does it happen from time to time that a really bad team beats a major team? Oh yeah, but it is very rare. Much more rare than a Providence beating UConn as some have tried to portray it. Certainly way worse than Villanova at 11-7 beating Louisville.
 
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