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#5 Oregon St vs #4 Oregon - 3/04/21

Who will win this game?


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I would qualify that both their wins over the Ducks came with Paopao unavailable.
I could be wrong, but I imagine you think Paopao's absence hurt Oregon significantly and could have contributed or did contribute to their 2 losses to Oregon State. Interestingly, that is not the same as Kelly Graves's take...as he states at the start of the post-game presser after Sunday's game....in the absences of a star, other players step up in the short term, thereby minimizing the impact of the lost player.
 
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Oregon State seems to be one of those teams (Rutgers is the other) that benefitted (is that the correct word?) from an extended COVID pause. They're a completely different team now.
Benefitted is a good word. I think strategized is another. From what I heard Rutgers had quite a plan in place that kept all of the players in the loop while dealing with the pause. If recollection is correct, OSU worked out a lot of kinks as well.
 
Ironically, this latest win probably gives them a less desirable NCAA seeding, up from a likely 10/11 seed to the dreaded 8/9 hole. They may need to beat one #1 NCAA seed today (Stanford) to avoid having to face another in the 2nd round.
This year, huge mystery how each team will be seeded. I don't think this OSU team is concerned about where they will be seeded--they just want to play.
 
I could be wrong, but I imagine you think Paopao's absence hurt Oregon significantly and could have contributed or did contribute to their 2 losses to Oregon State. Interestingly, that is not the same as Kelly Graves's take...as he states at the start of the post-game presser after Sunday's game....in the absences of a star, other players step up in the short term, thereby minimizing the impact of the lost player.

Kelly Graves is a straight up guy. He gave full credit to Oregon St throughout this postgame. Said he hopes his team is underestimated now and still has full confidence in them.
 
Kelly Graves is a straight up guy. He gave full credit to Oregon St throughout this postgame. Said he hopes his team is underestimated now and still has full confidence in them.
Yes, exactly. He's not going to bemoan that one of his best players was unavailable for the game because he knows that it would come across as making excuses and he doesn't want to take away from the opponent's win. But of course it goes without saying Oregon is a lesser team without Paopao.
 
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Yes, exactly. He's not going to bemoan that one of his best players was unavailable for the game because he knows that it would come across as making excuses and he doesn't want to take away from the opponent's win. But of course it goes without saying Oregon is a lesser team without Paopao.
As is Oregon State without Kennedy Brown. It's "funny" how many folks ignore or "forget" this fact yet push the Paopao argument.
 
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Irrelevant to the original point.

Maybe ease up on the pugilism. Not everything is an attack.
It is totally relevant. Ducks are/were missing an important player and so are/were the Beavers. People are free to point out the loss of a key player and so am I. And yes, not everything is an attack...you are very right about that. Finally, I'm not into boxing, but I do like Simon and Garfunkel's "The Boxer".
 
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Graves said something that almost makes me like him:

"It’s not fun losing. And it’s especially not fun losing to the Beavers."

None of that, "just another game" mantra that too many coaches regurgitate.
 
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I remember Graves during pre-season talking up Sedona Prince like she hung the moon. Doesn't seem like she's come close to validating his praise and expectations thus far this season. Hard to believe a 6'7 player is only averaging 3.8 rebounds per game; granted, she's only making her way onto the court 18.1 minutes a game.
 
It is totally relevant. Ducks are/were missing an important player and so are/were the Beavers. People are free to point out the loss of a key player and so am I. And yes, not everything is an attack...you are very right about that. Finally, I'm not into boxing, but I do like Simon and Garfunkel's "The Boxer".
There is a significant difference between losing a key player midseason and not having a key player available all season long for an injury sustained 12 months ago. If the latter were the case with Paopao, then our friend @maccca3232 would certainly not have bothered to point out the issue.

But it's okay! Take the win and celebrate it! The dignity and honor of Oregon State is not lessened because of it.
 
There is a significant difference between losing a key player midseason and not having a key player available all season long for an injury sustained 12 months ago. If the latter were the case with Paopao, then our friend @maccca3232 would certainly not have bothered to point out the issue.

But it's okay! Take the win and celebrate it! The dignity and honor of Oregon State is not lessened because of it.
! agree that Oregon State had a lot more time to try and adjust to the loss of a key player (Brown) compared to Oregon which had very little time to adjust to the sudden loss of Paopao. However, I don't see how Oregon State ever made up for the huge loss of Brown, even as others of less skill and ability have practiced and played her position in her absence. And, surely Oregon practiced with other gals running the point long before Paopao's injury. Graves would have been derelict in his duty not to do so. Surely Oregon was not caught completely off "guard" - pun intended :)
 
There is a significant difference between losing a key player midseason and not having a key player available all season long for an injury sustained 12 months ago. If the latter were the case with Paopao, then our friend @maccca3232 would certainly not have bothered to point out the issue.

But it's okay! Take the win and celebrate it! The dignity and honor of Oregon State is not lessened because of it.
My qualification was made based on what is assumed. Most following this season would assume that Paopao was their starting PG.

Personally, I think Paopao has been one of Oregon's best players this season, and probably their most important given their lack of other competent ball handlers, so I thought that was relevant to point out.

I would qualify that both their wins over the Ducks came with Kennedy Brown unavailable...you know, that 6'6", 5 star, McDonald's AA who is injured for Oregon State (who was starting for OSU and playing an important role before she went down...a role that no doubt would have been even bigger this season).
Another qualification I am a Huskies fan. If I am being honest I more of a Ducks fan than Beavers one but overall I am very objective.

More relevant than Brown's unavailability all season would be to mention that Oregon's lone win over OSU came before TvO joined the team.

I hope we see a fourth game between the 2 teams in the NCAA when both Paopao and TvO are available to play against each other for the first time.
 
My qualification was made based on what is assumed. Most following this season would assume that Paopao was their starting PG.

Personally, I think Paopao has been one of Oregon's best players this season, and probably their most important given their lack of other competent ball handlers, so I thought that was relevant to point out.


Another qualification I am a Huskies fan. If I am being honest I more of a Ducks fan than Beavers one but overall I am very objective.

More relevant than Brown's unavailability all season would be to mention that Oregon's lone win over OSU came before TvO joined the team.

I hope we see a fourth game between the 2 teams in the NCAA when both Paopao and TvO are available to play against each other for the first time.
I have similar ideas about Kennedy Brown, in that Brown was (and hopefully will be again in the future) OSU's best defender of the opponent's bigs (as in, no way do Prince and Sabally light up the scoreboard and garner so many rebounds with Brown in the lineup). The impact of Prince and Sabally being more neutralized during the 2 OSU wins over Oregon would have been huge.

No doubt TVO has been a big plus and helped Oregon State beat Oregon...her early enrollment worked out in Oregon State's favor...but so what? Oregon notched the enrollment of 5 MAAs and the number 1 recruiting class in the Nation this year which was certainly hugely beneficial. Each team plays the "cards" they were/are dealt....but if you want to "argue" which team suffered more from the loss of key player, there is plenty of room for debate.
 
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In all fairness you have to remember that teams playing OSU never get fouls called on them and the Pac-12 refs don't like OSU for some reason. At least that is what I have been told by my OSU neighbor.
 
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