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3pt Variance at First Two Sites

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UConn's two locations were two of the worst locations for 3s relative to expectations.

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Karaban in a podcast said the balls felt over inflated which lines up to a TikTok thing going around. Wonder if this was money related in any way. Alot on the games now, can easily see someone inflating the balls a little to decrease percentages. 10% is big.
 
I want to read this as bad news for Purdue going forward, which played in Indy and Detroit.
 
Is this correlation or causation? UConn shot 3s horribly, which was a large part in causing those numbers. Did the venue cause UConn’s bad shooting, or did UConn’s bad shooting cause the venue to look bad through no fault of the venue? This doesn’t prove it up.
 
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Karmacop said:
Is this correlation or causation? UConn shot 3s horribly, which was a large part in causing those numbers. Did the venue cause UConn’s bad shooting, or did UConn’s bad shooting cause the venue to look bad through no fault of the venue? This doesn’t prove it up.
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Despite how badly you want it to be false there is mounting evidence to support it at this point
 
Inflategate was a thing in last year's tournament as well.
 
navery12 said:
Despite how badly you want it to be false there is mounting evidence to support it at this point
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I don’t “want it to be false.” This just doesn’t prove anything. It’s more people looking for excuses for UConn’s bad shooting than anything else.

All teams go through short-term slumps, particularly away from home. Odds are they’ll hit a better percentage in Phoenix. And more likely than not it won’t have anything to do with air pressure or venue.
 
87Xfer said:
Um, can't someone request to check the balls before games? This is ridiculous.
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I see Spencer and Castle test the ball before every tip off. If it was that off, I think they'd complain.
 
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RayRay19 said:
Karaban in a podcast said the balls felt over inflated which lines up to a TikTok thing going around. Wonder if this was money related in any way. Alot on the games now, can easily see someone inflating the balls a little to decrease percentages. 10% is big.
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Let’s pray they’re overinflated vs Bama.
 
Just re-watched the 1st half of the Stetson game and it certainly seems the ball is overinflated. Shots going very long (air balls and banks off the backboard) and shots that hit the rim bounced out with great force (bricks).

The broadcast team also discussed Hurley rotating in the tourney balls in practice three weeks before the tournament and he complained that the balls were overly sticky.
 
Guess this isn't an issue for the women... Clark draining tons from 28-30 ft out.

This is really first time watching her, but I wouldn't be against her in a 3pt shooting contest vs Cam. 9-18 so far and many in Karaban territory.
 
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caw said:
Same ball for both teams. If they can hit them, so can UConn, if it is the ball.
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All they do is huck up threes.
 
87Xfer said:
Um, can't someone request to check the balls before games? This is ridiculous.
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well sure, but what if you're used to using balls that "feel right" versus being exact psi? Lot of different things could be going on. This is but one hypothetical
 
storrsroars said:
Guess this isn't an issue for the women... Clark draining tons from 28-30 ft out.
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Smaller women's ball + same-sized rim as the men...not apples to apples.

I mentioned in another thread that these balls are truly horrible. One of my rec leagues uses them, just had a game tonight and I was messing around with the ball in layup lines. You could take what feels like a normal dribble and let it go, it's going to reach shoulder or forehead height. If you put just a little oomph on it's going above the rim, as in an off-the-floor alley-oop. The physics of the ball are screwy. That doesn't even get into the feel of the ball, which is more rubbery than leathery, and slippery with a small bit of moisture.

I hope this is like the NBA years back when they scratched the new ball pretty quickly because it was universally hated.

That being said, I also mentioned that a lot of Newton and Karaban's misses are way off. Badly off target left or right, not just long. That's when you know you're really in a shooting funk. Many of our threes have had no chance of going in, it's not like they're rimming out.
 
I don't know if the balls were overinflated or not, but this is lazy stats. Using the team average when we know each player that took each attempt and their average is dumb.
 
Lefty2one said:
I hope this is like the NBA years back when they scratched the new ball pretty quickly because it was universally hated.
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you obviously don’t understand how the ncaa works….they were paid big money by the ball sponsors. They didn’t just switch balls to irritate 3 pt shooter
 
Lefty2one said:
Smaller women's ball + same-sized rim as the men...not apples to apples.

I mentioned in another thread that these balls are truly horrible. One of my rec leagues uses them, just had a game tonight and I was messing around with the ball in layup lines. You could take what feels like a normal dribble and let it go, it's going to reach shoulder or forehead height. If you put just a little oomph on it's going above the rim, as in an off-the-floor alley-oop. The physics of the ball are screwy. That doesn't even get into the feel of the ball, which is more rubbery than leathery, and slippery with a small bit of moisture.

I hope this is like the NBA years back when they scratched the new ball pretty quickly because it was universally hated.

That being said, I also mentioned that a lot of Newton and Karaban's misses are way off. Badly off target left or right, not just long. That's when you know you're really in a shooting funk. Many of our threes have had no chance of going in, it's not like they're rimming out.
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At least the men’s court markings were right

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Portland 3 pt arc is different on each end

Lordy NCAA. The top of the 3 pt arc was measured and is different on each end of the court. I didn't notice it last night, however they showed folks measuring, and it seems as the distance between the top of the key arc to the 3 pt arc is smaller on the left half of the court vs the right...
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This guy is convinced the balls are intentionally or unintentionally pumped with too much air

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Lefty2one said:
Smaller women's ball + same-sized rim as the men...not apples to apples.
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Both true and irrelevant. Point being that if inflated balls caused the men to shoot long, it would have the same effect with women, regardless of a slightly smaller ball.
 
While balls may not be inflated properly, there is no statisical evidence that it affects shooting percentages. Bad sight lines maybe. See this for ball pressure --of course this looks at a limited range of ball pressure seen in the NBA. And if it affects it, it is because the ball bounces hard off rhe rim, the physics does not lead to the shot being long--that is pure bs.
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Under Pressure: Can adjusting ball pressure give NBA teams a competitive advantage?

Answer: it's complicated... but, maybe?
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RayRay19 said:
Karaban in a podcast said the balls felt over inflated which lines up to a TikTok thing going around. Wonder if this was money related in any way. Alot on the games now, can easily see someone inflating the balls a little to decrease percentages. 10% is big.
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Balls are inflated to 9.2 lbs psi for all games. Not saying they were not over inflated. If the 3 pt line is 9 “ off in a tournament game anything is possible. Can’t believe they knew the line was off and still played the game
 
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