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24-25 Torvik Projections

bmayuc said:
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This is why the preseason model rating doesn't matter. Those projected PPG stats are just bad. Especially for Solo, Samson, and Stewart. Also doesn't even include Jayden Ross who has a legit shot at being a rotation player this year. The staff loves him
 
gtcam said:
Pardon me, but what is the big deal? Is your last name Torvik?
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He’s just commenting that on a college basketball board, posters who have followed closely for 13 years and have never heard of Torvik are interesting because it seems a fairly common topic of discussion for serious college basketball fans.

There’s no direct judgment it’s just interesting. I agree.
 
Mr. French said:
He’s just commenting that on a college basketball board, posters who have followed closely for 13 years and have never heard of Torvik are interesting because it seems a fairly common topic of discussion for serious college basketball fans.

There’s no direct judgment it’s just interesting. I agree.
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And what % of fans do you believe follow UConn bb close enough to have any idea who Torvik is and/or what he has to say?

I just did a search for "UConn basketball." "Torvik" wasn't found in the first 20 pages of results. So I guess you are right - only serious fans have any idea who or what a Torvik is.
 
temery said:
And what % of fans do you believe follow UConn bb close enough to have any idea who Torvik is and/or what he has to say?

I just did a search for "UConn basketball." "Torvik" wasn't found in the first 20 pages of results. So I guess you are right - only serious fans have any idea who or what a Torvik is.
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I think a lot of college basketball fans have at least heard of Torvik. It’s not as popular as KemPom but it’s not some unknown term.

You guys are getting more defensive than necessary, it is a college basketball term, and def not a casual term, but it’s also out there, in the lexicon.

That poster’s level of knowledge paired with never even hearing of Torvik WAS interesting. But definitely not a big deal.
 
Mr. French said:
I think a lot of college basketball fans have at least heard of Torvik. It’s not as popular as KemPom but it’s not some unknown term.

You guys are getting more defensive than necessary, it is a college basketball term, and def not a casual term, but it’s also out there, in the lexicon.

That poster’s level of knowledge paired with never even hearing of Torvik WAS interesting. But definitely not a big deal.
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Sorry, but no. You'd have to remind most fans who Torvik is for them to even remember they've ever heard the name.

I do agree most serious bb fans have heard of Torvik, but most bb fans aren't serious enough to care.
 
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temery said:
Sorry, but no. You'd have to remind most fans who Torvik is for them to even remember they've ever heard the name.

I do agree most serious bb fans have heard of Torvik, but most bb fans aren't serious enough to care.
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Ok. There's really no way to prove this so definitively as to say "sorry, but no."

It's really however you define a "fan" I guess - but I'd say a good chunk of college basketball fans, but NOT the most casual fans, have at least heard the name Bart Torvik.

I'd guess a decent number of people passionate enough to post on a message board would have at LEAST heard it. But again, no big deal. I don't evaluate or analyze Torvik, but I've definitely heard the name and know the idea of what it is.

I don't care one way or the other, but I didn't think what Scooper said was wrong at all.
 
this is just good bulletin board material, especially for the sophomores. hurley probably concerned that there's no disrespectful rankings out there and then this thing comes along.
 
B1GEast said:
I have never heard of this guy. Supposedly he influences a lot of writers and when he updated his projections, people made a lot criticism. UConn at number 12.

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To have us as a better defensive team than offensive team seems strange- I believe this year’s roster seems to be more talented offensively than defensively.

I know everyone loves to talk about Clingan, but the size of our guards the last two years was a huge advantage on the defensive end as well- 6’6’, 6’6’, 6’5, 6’5, & 6’3’ on the wings/perimeter- serious length.
 
Kenpom is the one everyone knows because it gets mentioned by far the most on TV. Torvik and Evan Miya are the other two that chronically online basketball fans know about.

The Boneyard has a subsection of fans who were online before advanced metrics were well known or existed at all, and they probably don't care much about any of that stuff and care more about traditional media (i.e. TV and reporters). I guess what I'm saying is if you were in your 20s when you found the Boneyard 25 years ago, you probably don't give a crap about who Torvik is lol.


Anyway, these models are going to be smoothing out year over year improvement, etc. Reed was statistically a pretty mid player on a bad team and if you assume he's going to get like 5% better then UConn is not a top 5 team.

A real human might feel confident saying Reed can be one of the best big men in the Big East after being coached by Hurley, but if he transferred to Georgetown we would not be projecting him as such. I doubt this model has any reliable way of capturing that sentiment/reality.
 
Dooooooomed said:
Perfect. Danny will use this.
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Not sure that works anymore. He probably uses this:

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Palatine said:
Based on the fact that we lost four starters, no one truly knows where this team should be ranked. What were we ranked in the preseason last year, 4th in our conference? And that was by the Big East coaches, who should have known better.
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If its hard to rank UConn, how do you rank Duke, isn't it almost a new team.
 
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WAB is great. Big inclusion. I figured they'd replace Sagarin. Now they're using most of the metrics I used in my bubble/seeding analysis averages last year.
 
mets1090 said:
Kenpom is the one everyone knows because it gets mentioned by far the most on TV. Torvik and Evan Miya are the other two that chronically online basketball fans know about.

The Boneyard has a subsection of fans who were online before advanced metrics were well known or existed at all, and they probably don't care much about any of that stuff and care more about traditional media (i.e. TV and reporters). I guess what I'm saying is if you were in your 20s when you found the Boneyard 25 years ago, you probably don't give a crap about who Torvik is lol.


Anyway, these models are going to be smoothing out year over year improvement, etc. Reed was statistically a pretty mid player on a bad team and if you assume he's going to get like 5% better then UConn is not a top 5 team.

A real human might feel confident saying Reed can be one of the best big men in the Big East after being coached by Hurley, but if he transferred to Georgetown we would not be projecting him as such. I doubt this model has any reliable way of capturing that sentiment/reality.
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The subsection that cares about Torvik are MATH NERDS. That was part of the 2023 tournament mojo. Not as effective as the Mandalorian theme of “I have spoken” but “this is the Boneyard way”.

That trend plus Luke (not the Star Wars guy but Coach Luke) being very much into math analytics and inserting that philosophy into Hurley’s lexicon has made this non math analytical individual stand up and notice what the math nerds are writing.

I don’t know a Torvik from a Miya but when someone like @auror or @tzznandrew or @caw or @aceboon present analytics I try to absorb what little I can.
 
Take a look at our ranking in projected effective talent and projected effective experience, it tells you we have a very talented but somewhat inexperienced team (especially returning minutes played by the sophomores). The model also undervalues our transfers IMO. What makes young talent realize its potential and transfers more valuable? Coaching. What do we have the best of? Coaching. What's not really factored in here? Coaching.
 
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UCann said:
Take a look at our ranking in projected effective talent and projected effective experience, it tells you we have a very talented but somewhat inexperienced team (especially returning minutes played by the sophomores). The model also undervalues our transfers IMO. What makes young talent realize its potential and transfers more valuable? Coaching. What do we have the best of? Coaching. What's not really factored in here? Coaching.
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This man speaks truth. This is the Gospel of Ucann 23: 24
 
Obviously he knows Danny still can't win a close game. He's not going to be able to win by double digits forever dontchaknow
 
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