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FanInNC said:
Have no fear, West Raleigh may be even poorer than the Durham folk.

So far Kara Dunn, Fatmata Janneh, Kylee Kitts and Ashton Judd have all visited and all signed elsewhere.

Now Maryland transfer Allie Kubek is visiting. Is the 5th time the charm for Wes Moore and the Pack?

Laci Steele and Caitlyn Weimar transferred out, Aziaha James, Saniya Rivers, Madison Hayes graduated and 2 freshmen have been brought in, 0 transfers. Not even enough players on the roster to scrimmage each other right now!
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Wes and Niele can have a pity party. If they meet in NC, perhaps @triaddukefan can suggest a place to eat for them.
 
bballnut90 said:
No surprise, the rich get richer. Right when it started to look like we were headed toward parity we’re swinging back hard in the other direction where all of the best players are clustering to top teams.
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The best teams still have more resources (NIL, better coaching and support staffs, better facilities). Giving a few bucks to the "have nots" only results in them overpaying for players that the "haves" don't want.
 
WBBTakeover said:
The best teams still have more resources (NIL, better coaching and support staffs, better facilities). Giving a few bucks to the "have nots" only results in them overpaying for players that the "haves" don't want.
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Sort of agree. But then schools like TCU, Ole Miss, A&M, UVa and Miami are making splashes this off season when compared to better programs like Duke, Stanford, ND, or State.

I realize State is not some blue blood in WBB, but they have a good history and certainly have built a respectable program in the last 6 or 7 years. They have a very good coaching staff. Nice facilities. Fan interest. A lot of things you’d imagine would be a selling point for potential transfers - yet the 4 players they have publicly been in on and had visit all signed elsewhere. Dunn to USC, Jennah to A&M, Judd to Texas, and Kitts to Ohio State. They also showed interest in Saurez who went to TCU.
 
FanInNC said:
Sort of agree. But then schools like TCU, Ole Miss, A&M, UVa and Miami are making splashes this off season when compared to better programs like Duke, Stanford, ND, or State.
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Overpaying for players is not "making a big splash". Miami and UVA are bottom half of the ACC teams for a reason (poor coaching, first and foremost)--the players they bought don't move the needle (aren't demonstrably better than the talent they lost, if they are better). Most people here can't name Miami's major acquisitions--because they're not coming from major programs (SMU, UF, and Quinnipiac are not major programs). UVA overpaid for a player who didn't make an All-SEC team last year (or ever). I'm not remotely moved by their moves. UVA's second-best player moved to Ole Miss, so the player they overpaid for is, at best, a replacement (and, at worst, someone who can't fill the shoes of the departed player).

Ole Miss and TCU are not in the same category as those bottom-half ACC teams you named earlier. The implication is that they're supposed to be "have nots", but that's not the case. Ole Miss has a coach who resonates with recruits and sizable NIL funds (SEC $$). TCU has a coach who resonates with recruits and has sizable NIL funds (Texas $$). Are these not resources? Also, TCU and Ole Miss have been second weekend NCAA Tournament teams recently. Both coaches have been accused of tampering, but those are allegations at this point.

Texas A&M has money to offer (and their offseason recruiting hardly qualifies as a "splash"). Coaching is beyond awful, but the $EC--it ju$t mean$ more.

Meanwhile, Duke is highly selective with regard to transfers (Kara prefers to build through the high school ranks, and Duke has the best incoming ACC freshman IMO). Kara also pissed away a shot at the Final Four with questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the South Carolina Elite Eight game. Stanford is coming off of an embarrassing 16-15 season with a clueless coach and still doesn't have the ACC-caliber athletes they need to be more than a bubble team in 25-26. To suggest that they're a "better" program is insane. Notre Dame folded down the stretch and experienced a mass exodus due mainly to the head coach mismanaging the roster (which was a Final Four caliber roster). She fumbled the bag. State made it as far in the NCAA Tournament last season as Ole Miss (and not as far as TCU despite having, IMO, more talent than TCU--especially on the perimeter) and pissed away a shot at the Elite Eight due to questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the LSU game.

I realize State is not some blue blood in WBB, but they have a good history and certainly have built a respectable program in the last 6 or 7 years. They have a very good coaching staff. Nice facilities. Fan interest. A lot of things you’d imagine would be a selling point for potential transfers - yet the 4 players they have publicly been in on and had visit all signed elsewhere. Dunn to USC, Jennah to A&M, Judd to Texas, and Kitts to Ohio State. They also showed interest in Saurez who went to TCU.
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Re Dunn: USC was a JuJu injury away from possibly making the Final Four, so let's not act as though NC State is somehow ahead of them as a program. JuJu won NPOY, and I don't think that an ACC player has won NPOY in quite some time. Kara Dunn chose a program that is, at worst, on the same level as NC State. They did make it further in the NCAAT than State this year.

Re Jennah: Again, SEC money talks. Also, not many people are talking about Jennah (very few actually care).

Re Judd: Texas has $$ (their facilities for WBB are SICK), plays in the SEC, and is coming off of their most successful season in two decades. I don't see where losing a recruit to Texas is an issue. They have resources. Yet, despite having resources, they lost a recruit (Chavez) to Oklahoma.

It's also worth noting that Judd transferred within the conference (SEC to SEC).

Re Kitts: Kitts is totally unproven, so I'm not sure she counts as some major recruiting miss.

Your team is getting its clock cleaned on the recruiting trail and it stinks--I get that. But oh well--that's life.
 
Is Kneepkens going to play this year? I am not sure if she is a lean or just can't decide. If it's UCLA or Oklahoma then pull the trigger...lol....
 
jumpstart said:
Is Kneepkens going to play this year? I am not sure if she is a lean or just can't decide. If it's UCLA or Oklahoma then pull the trigger...lol....
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Maybe she wants to enjoy her last days at Utah...I believe she's graduating: probably in a week or two.
Just as long as she's in school in time for summer classes, she's fine. Heck, I doubt UCLA, Oklahoma or any other school that she might be entertaining is going to say "no" to her. :cool:
 
Dillon77 said:
That's an interesting misspelling (per discussions of effects on team chemistry) ;).
Ms. Heckel would be a great addition to the many teams interested in her and those she's visited.
(Thanks for your note, btw....)
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I'm still sortve stumped on what the best team for Heckel would be. Initially I thought Vanderbilt made a lot of sense. However I wonder if she doesn't want to play with another ball dominant guard who appropriately has the keys to the program. That line of thinking also made it hard to put Notre Dame up their. I kinda get the UConn fit, as she would at least get Kaitlyn Chens minutes, but that is another team and system with a lot of pieces that may be tough to settle into. I was always really impressed with Heckel whenever she got minutes.
Iowa is an interesting one. It sounded like they had interest in Aarnisalo.
 
jdote33 said:
I'm still sortve stumped on what the best team for Heckel would be. Initially I thought Vanderbilt made a lot of sense. However I wonder if she doesn't want to play with another ball dominant guard who appropriately has the keys to the program. That line of thinking also made it hard to put Notre Dame up their. I kinda get the UConn fit, as she would at least get Kaitlyn Chens minutes, but that is another team and system with a lot of pieces that may be tough to settle into. I was always really impressed with Heckel whenever she got minutes.
Iowa is an interesting one. It sounded like they had interest in Aarnisalo.
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Heckel is coming in as a sophomore who wasn't even a starter at USC. I am wondering what is giving BYers the idea that she will come in and take over for either Kaitlyn's or KK's minutes? We have a couple of sophomore guards and an incoming freshman that Geno might think is capable of being a PG. Or is Geno planning to go with a single PG if Heckel commits to another school.
I would like to know what I am missing...
 
jdote33 said:
I'm still sortve stumped on what the best team for Heckel would be. Initially I thought Vanderbilt made a lot of sense. However I wonder if she doesn't want to play with another ball dominant guard who appropriately has the keys to the program. That line of thinking also made it hard to put Notre Dame up their. I kinda get the UConn fit, as she would at least get Kaitlyn Chens minutes, but that is another team and system with a lot of pieces that may be tough to settle into. I was always really impressed with Heckel whenever she got minutes.
Iowa is an interesting one. It sounded like they had interest in Aarnisalo.
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I posted something last week, that listed Michigan State as another visit on her list. That's a program who will need leadership in that role with Theryn Hallock graduating this season. There isn't a lot of depth at the guard position as they freshmen coming in who still have to prove themselves. Definitely a wild card.
 
jdote33 said:
I'm still sortve stumped on what the best team for Heckel would be. Initially I thought Vanderbilt made a lot of sense. However I wonder if she doesn't want to play with another ball dominant guard who appropriately has the keys to the program. That line of thinking also made it hard to put Notre Dame up their. I kinda get the UConn fit, as she would at least get Kaitlyn Chens minutes, but that is another team and system with a lot of pieces that may be tough to settle into. I was always really impressed with Heckel whenever she got minutes.
Iowa is an interesting one. It sounded like they had interest in Aarnisalo.
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To me, Iowa made the most sense for Heckel. However, they landed Chit Chat Wright, who is in the same class. Opportunity missed.

Vanderbilt makes no sense if she, reportedly, did not want to play in a JuJu-centric offense. What does she think they run in Nashville with not one but TWO 20+ ppg scorers? If she goes there, she can get nice and comfy in that corner and work on those three-point shots.

Notre Dame makes zero sense as well. Can't play with JuJu, but can play with Hannah? Nope, not seeing it.

UConn makes sense as long as she's okay with being a back-up and improving her defense. She hasn't earned the right to start over KK (who will be an upperclassman), IMO.
 
Centerstream said:
Heckel is coming in as a sophomore who wasn't even a starter at USC. I am wondering what is giving BYers the idea that she will come in and take over for either Kaitlyn's or KK's minutes? We have a couple of sophomore guards and an incoming freshman that Geno might think is capable of being a PG. Or is Geno planning to go with a single PG if Heckel commits to another school.
I would like to know what I am missing...
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Well she was a backup to a 5th year point guard sortve like kk this season. TVO was all conference in the pac 12, and was one of the team's key portal pickups. Heckel was coming into a program that made the elite 8 and had even greater expectations. They had a great season and were basically top 5 all year. But I hear ur sentiment. I didn't mean to assume she'd start over KK. And I really think a lot of Allie Z. But Heckel imo is super talented. She's fast, athletic, and fearless and would fit imo as a pure point guard.
 
jdote33 said:
Well she was a backup to a 5th year point guard sortve like kk this season. TVO was all conference in the pac 12, and was one of the team's key portal pickups. Heckel was coming into a program that made the elite 8 and had even greater expectations. They had a great season and were basically top 5 all year. But I hear ur sentiment. I didn't mean to assume she'd start over KK. And I really think a lot of Allie Z. But Heckel imo is super talented. She's fast, athletic, and fearless and would fit imo as a pure point guard.
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I mostly agree, and I don't want to make it seem as though I'm disparaging Heckel. She's talented and will be a starter somewhere one day. I just don't see a great/ideal immediate fit for her based on her current list of preferred schools. Wherever she goes on that list, she'll have to either fight for the starting position (UConn--and I think she'll lose) or change her approach a bit to fit in with the existing squad (Vanderbilt, Notre Dame).
 
WBBTakeover said:
I mostly agree, and I don't want to make it seem as though I'm disparaging Heckel. She's talented and will be a starter somewhere one day. I just don't see a great/ideal immediate fit for her based on her current list of preferred schools. Wherever she goes on that list, she'll have to either fight for the starting position (UConn--and I think she'll lose) or change her approach a bit to fit in with the existing squad (Vanderbilt, Notre Dame).
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Succinctly and accurately stated, imo.

For what it's worth, don't forget that just a few years ago, Hannah Hidalgo and KK Arnold were two of the highest-rated point guards coming out of high school. I see Hidalgo every game as an Irish fan; but I've been impressed with KK Arnold (whom ND was in the fight for, down to the final choice), particularly the latter part of her sophomore year.

Heckel's quite good and has a high upside, but Arnold and Hidalgo can guide the proverbial shifts.

That said, Hidalgo as an off-guard last year when paired with Miles and was more of a PG when she and Citron were together on the floor (although HH and Citron worked very well together). Could Heckel do the same? Who knows? But she'd have two years to get it right and tight. We'll see.
 
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WBBTakeover said:
Overpaying for players is not "making a big splash". Miami and UVA are bottom half of the ACC teams for a reason (poor coaching, first and foremost)--the players they bought don't move the needle (aren't demonstrably better than the talent they lost, if they are better). Most people here can't name Miami's major acquisitions--because they're not coming from major programs (SMU, UF, and Quinnipiac are not major programs). UVA overpaid for a player who didn't make an All-SEC team last year (or ever). I'm not remotely moved by their moves. UVA's second-best player moved to Ole Miss, so the player they overpaid for is, at best, a replacement (and, at worst, someone who can't fill the shoes of the departed player).

Ole Miss and TCU are not in the same category as those bottom-half ACC teams you named earlier. The implication is that they're supposed to be "have nots", but that's not the case. Ole Miss has a coach who resonates with recruits and sizable NIL funds (SEC $$). TCU has a coach who resonates with recruits and has sizable NIL funds (Texas $$). Are these not resources? Also, TCU and Ole Miss have been second weekend NCAA Tournament teams recently. Both coaches have been accused of tampering, but those are allegations at this point.

Texas A&M has money to offer (and their offseason recruiting hardly qualifies as a "splash"). Coaching is beyond awful, but the $EC--it ju$t mean$ more.

Meanwhile, Duke is highly selective with regard to transfers (Kara prefers to build through the high school ranks, and Duke has the best incoming ACC freshman IMO). Kara also pissed away a shot at the Final Four with questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the South Carolina Elite Eight game. Stanford is coming off of an embarrassing 16-15 season with a clueless coach and still doesn't have the ACC-caliber athletes they need to be more than a bubble team in 25-26. To suggest that they're a "better" program is insane. Notre Dame folded down the stretch and experienced a mass exodus due mainly to the head coach mismanaging the roster (which was a Final Four caliber roster). She fumbled the bag. State made it as far in the NCAA Tournament last season as Ole Miss (and not as far as TCU despite having, IMO, more talent than TCU--especially on the perimeter) and pissed away a shot at the Elite Eight due to questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the LSU game.


Re Dunn: USC was a JuJu injury away from possibly making the Final Four, so let's not act as though NC State is somehow ahead of them as a program. JuJu won NPOY, and I don't think that an ACC player has won NPOY in quite some time. Kara Dunn chose a program that is, at worst, on the same level as NC State. They did make it further in the NCAAT than State this year.

Re Jennah: Again, SEC money talks. Also, not many people are talking about Jennah (very few actually care).

Re Judd: Texas has $$ (their facilities for WBB are SICK), plays in the SEC, and is coming off of their most successful season in two decades. I don't see where losing a recruit to Texas is an issue. They have resources. Yet, despite having resources, they lost a recruit (Chavez) to Oklahoma.

It's also worth noting that Judd transferred within the conference (SEC to SEC).

Re Kitts: Kitts is totally unproven, so I'm not sure she counts as some major recruiting miss.

Your team is getting its clock cleaned on the recruiting trail and it stinks--I get that. But oh well--that's life.
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I’m wondering what you really think
 
WBBTakeover said:
Overpaying for players is not "making a big splash". Miami and UVA are bottom half of the ACC teams for a reason (poor coaching, first and foremost)--the players they bought don't move the needle (aren't demonstrably better than the talent they lost, if they are better). Most people here can't name Miami's major acquisitions--because they're not coming from major programs (SMU, UF, and Quinnipiac are not major programs). UVA overpaid for a player who didn't make an All-SEC team last year (or ever). I'm not remotely moved by their moves. UVA's second-best player moved to Ole Miss, so the player they overpaid for is, at best, a replacement (and, at worst, someone who can't fill the shoes of the departed player).

Ole Miss and TCU are not in the same category as those bottom-half ACC teams you named earlier. The implication is that they're supposed to be "have nots", but that's not the case. Ole Miss has a coach who resonates with recruits and sizable NIL funds (SEC $$). TCU has a coach who resonates with recruits and has sizable NIL funds (Texas $$). Are these not resources? Also, TCU and Ole Miss have been second weekend NCAA Tournament teams recently. Both coaches have been accused of tampering, but those are allegations at this point.

Texas A&M has money to offer (and their offseason recruiting hardly qualifies as a "splash"). Coaching is beyond awful, but the $EC--it ju$t mean$ more.

Meanwhile, Duke is highly selective with regard to transfers (Kara prefers to build through the high school ranks, and Duke has the best incoming ACC freshman IMO). Kara also pissed away a shot at the Final Four with questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the South Carolina Elite Eight game. Stanford is coming off of an embarrassing 16-15 season with a clueless coach and still doesn't have the ACC-caliber athletes they need to be more than a bubble team in 25-26. To suggest that they're a "better" program is insane. Notre Dame folded down the stretch and experienced a mass exodus due mainly to the head coach mismanaging the roster (which was a Final Four caliber roster). She fumbled the bag. State made it as far in the NCAA Tournament last season as Ole Miss (and not as far as TCU despite having, IMO, more talent than TCU--especially on the perimeter) and pissed away a shot at the Elite Eight due to questionable coaching decisions made down the stretch of the LSU game.


Re Dunn: USC was a JuJu injury away from possibly making the Final Four, so let's not act as though NC State is somehow ahead of them as a program. JuJu won NPOY, and I don't think that an ACC player has won NPOY in quite some time. Kara Dunn chose a program that is, at worst, on the same level as NC State. They did make it further in the NCAAT than State this year.

Re Jennah: Again, SEC money talks. Also, not many people are talking about Jennah (very few actually care).

Re Judd: Texas has $$ (their facilities for WBB are SICK), plays in the SEC, and is coming off of their most successful season in two decades. I don't see where losing a recruit to Texas is an issue. They have resources. Yet, despite having resources, they lost a recruit (Chavez) to Oklahoma.

It's also worth noting that Judd transferred within the conference (SEC to SEC).

Re Kitts: Kitts is totally unproven, so I'm not sure she counts as some major recruiting miss.

Your team is getting its clock cleaned on the recruiting trail and it stinks--I get that. But oh well--that's life.
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I think our conversation shifted a bit. My main point earlier was in regards to the original post bballnut made about rich getting richer and parity not happening.

NIL has given rise to new opportunities for “the have nots”. TCU is a have not. I don’t care what they did last year, they are not a WBB powerhouse or program. Ole Miss has 0 final fours, not a powerhouse. A&M not a powerhouse.

My point is that some of these schools are winning recruiting battles over traditional powers now. Yes, Stanford sucked last year, yes ND fumbled the season away, yes State didn’t reach its full potential in the post season, Duke missed an opportunity for a final four… but all of those teams have tradition and can claim being more than a Johnny come lately and yet in this NIL/Portal world a TCU or Ole Miss or A&M or Kentucky can jump up and make a name for themselves over night.

So parity in the sense that you don’t have to be a traditional power to reel in an in demand player. You can just have big donors with deep pockets and doesn’t matter if you are a blue blood or a never been - you can rise up quick in today’s world if you have the right re$ource$.
 
FanInNC said:
I think our conversation shifted a bit. My main point earlier was in regards to the original post bballnut made about rich getting richer and parity not happening.

NIL has given rise to new opportunities for “the have nots”. TCU is a have not. I don’t care what they did last year, they are not a WBB powerhouse or program. Ole Miss has 0 final fours, not a powerhouse. A&M not a powerhouse.

My point is that some of these schools are winning recruiting battles over traditional powers now. Yes, Stanford sucked last year, yes ND fumbled the season away, yes State didn’t reach its full potential in the post season, Duke missed an opportunity for a final four… but all of those teams have tradition and can claim being more than a Johnny come lately and yet in this NIL/Portal world a TCU or Ole Miss or A&M or Kentucky can jump up and make a name for themselves over night.

So parity in the sense that you don’t have to be a traditional power to reel in an in demand player. You can just have big donors with deep pockets and doesn’t matter if you are a blue blood or a never been - you can rise up quick in today’s world if you have the right re$ource$.
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While A&am is not royalty, they do have a higher achievement than Duke
 
jumpstart said:
So, you are setting the parameters now? Interesting to say the least. I had no idea that there were rules to the conversation involving transfers. Transfers are something that changes teams completely and that is a conversation to be had in advance and after. Chemistry with other players and coaches coaching style is a big part of that...I would argue the biggest part of a transfer conversation.
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It’s a 79 page thread. It’s hard to find information among the chatter. Stick to the topic please
 
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