2025 Transfer Portal

[Huskee11]

Does Poa get another year b/c of the Pavia JUCO thing? LSU might be losing Poa and Day-Wilson so it makes sense to add another guard

So is this Last-Tear's last year?

I can't say that five times fast

 

[Dillon77]

Do you know her injury? Thanks

According to this Talia Goodman article, looks like hip surgery, which she was recuperating at home.

MSN

 

[visitingcock]

I saw chatter on this in relation to football on some Gamecock boards. From what I gathered, concerning university collectives, there will be a $20.5 million cap for each university on all sports and it all will be overseen by a committee who has to approve each offering. Anything that isn't considered fair market pay will not approved. So I think the days of the unregulated NIL scene is about to go bye bye -- no more million dollar paydays from collectives.

Sounds like price fixing to me. Not sure courts will approve.

 

[Fossil]

I believe the days of a super team are coming and they may or may not work out as planned but I can see it happening.

I believe that day is here already look at UCLA and at USC. Both of those teams have major transfer pick ups. The game is going to become the halves and they have Nots.

 

[ERWUC65]

I believe that day is here already look at UCLA and at USC. Both of those teams have major transfer pick ups. The game is going to become the halves and they have Nots.

There may be an offset to that. Programs, like UConn, look to the International arena for players. Not only are those players talented and experienced, they are usually very coachable and looking for a good education.

 

[donalddoowop]

There may be an offset to that. Programs, like UConn, look to the International arena for players. Not only are those players talented and experienced, they are usually very coachable and looking for a good education.

The ones Geno gets also seem to learn faster.

 

[Dillon77]

Thanks to RISteve on The Bench for alerting me to this one:

 

[Dillon77]

A little bit more on Ali Campbell and Penn State U.

- This tells you how long Alli Campbell has been playing/trying to play college hoops, with injuries, transfers and the like. She was a frosh during the 2020-21 season when teams were playing in empty arenas and she was playing under first-year Irish Coach Niele Ivey.
Campbell was a perfect Muffet McGraw recruit for the modified Princeton offense, but was not a "read and react" Ivey philosophy exemplar. Still, many on the Bench have followed her at PSU.

- After her one-year shot at ND, she truly looked at home at Penn State (she from Pennsylvania) and I'm going to assume that she has her degree and is a grad school transfer.

I wonder what will determine her next and last stop? Academics (grad degree)? Or a chance to step up/refine her game? She largely settled into a point guard/jack of all trades at PSU. If she wanted to head to the ACC, for example, I could see here at a slew of programs, but the best might be Va. Tech, where she'd get excellent developmental coaching from another former Marquette coach: Megan Duffy.

- Which, once again, screams at me: no one has any confidence in Coach Kieger.
I remember many of us were blown away on the Hot Seat thread when a poster with Penn State insider information was blown away by the news that Kieger was retained: He'd heard she was a goner and a replacement was lined up. Got to wonder if money to pay off/pay up fell through. Kieger is a hire that looked like a slam dunk, but hasn't worked at all. Players she lined up are leaving and now the Penn State naturals are looking elsewhere. Whew.

 

[WBBTakeover]

Thanks to RISteve on The Bench for alerting me to this one:

If I'm counting it correctly, Alli may have as many as two seasons remaining (didn't play at all in 2021-22, only played in 10 games in 2022-23). If healthy, she can contribute at the P4 level. I don't know what she's looking for from a basketball standpoint, but if she wants to try the ACC again--there are openings.

 

[Blueberries]

A little bit more on Ali Patberg and Penn State U.

- This tells you how long Alli Campbell has been playing/trying to play college hoops, with injuries, transfers and the like. She was a frosh during the 2020-21 season when teams were playing in empty arenas and she was playing under first-year Irish Coach Niele Ivey.
Campbell was a perfect Muffet McGraw recruit for the modified Princeton offense, but was not a "read and react" Ivey philosophy exemplar. Still, many on the Bench have followed her at PSU.

- After her one-year shot at ND, she truly looked at home at Penn State (she from Pennsylvania) and I'm going to assume that she has her degree and is a grad school transfer.

I wonder what will determine her next and last stop? Academics (grad degree)? Or a chance to step up/refine her game? She largely settled into a point guard/jack of all trades at PSU. If she wanted to head to the ACC, for example, I could see here at a slew of programs, but the best might be Va. Tech, where she'd get excellent developmental coaching from another former Marquette coach: Megan Duffy.

- Which, once again, screams at me: no one has any confidence in Coach Kieger.
I remember many of us were blown away on the Hot Seat thread when a poster with Penn State insider information was blown away by the news that Kieger was retained: He'd heard she was a goner and a replacement was lined up. Got to wonder if money to pay off/pay up fell through. Kieger is a hire that looked like a slam dunk, but hasn't worked at all. Players she lined up are leaving and now the Penn State naturals are looking elsewhere. Whew.

I’m confused. Are patberg and Campbell the same person?

 

[cancontent]

I’m confused. Are patberg and Campbell the same person?

Groan

 

[Geew1992]

I’m confused. Are patberg and Campbell the same person?

I was confused at first too... but I think @Dillon77 mant Campbell to begin with

 

[Dillon77]

I’m confused. Are patberg and Campbell the same person?

@cancontent
@Geew1992

No, they're not the same person, but they seem to be taking similar, extended stays in NCAA basketball.
Both started at Notre Dame and then transferred, only to be injured and play for extended periods of time.
This post started out of a give and take on The Bench, so I had Ali Patberg on my mind....obviously.

Alli Campbell, like Ali Patberg (how'd you like that?) can most certainly play P4 ball. Depending on what she's after, I can see her at a slew of schools in the ACC, but -- who knows -- she might choose one that could help with a Grad degree.

Hope for nothing but the best for her...

 

[azfan]

I believe that day is here already look at UCLA and at USC. Both of those teams have major transfer pick ups. The game is going to become the halves and they have Nots.

And that is a change from the past?

 

[oldhusky]

And that is a change from the past?

It is a change from the past and a pretty big one. There is an obvious wealth transfer between the 27 conferences that are not a power conference and the new Power 4 because of the NIL affect. It can be seen in the next best conference, namely the Big East. In the past Big East coaches could sometimes develop a player that was somewhat off the radar in HS and turn them into a star.

Now if you do that, you are likely to lose that player. The player might like the program and the coach but still leave because the monetary differences are too big to ignore. Recent examples are Morrow from DePaul to LSU and Olson from Villanova to Iowa. Players used to leave because they were unhappy about playing time or a coach. Now they might leave the program and coach that elevated them to significant NIL possibilities, just because other Big East teams cannot compete with Power 4 schools in compensating players.

That is a new dynamic that means that the other conferences will probably lose many of their top players and the gap between the Power 4 and everyone else will get bigger specifically because of NIL opportunities. Uconn is an exception that can compete financially, but the other Big East schools cannot. Just a new reality that the Big East will probably lose ground to the Power 4 even if it is clearly the next best conference in the country.

 

[azfan]

It is a change from the past and a pretty big one. There is an obvious wealth transfer between the 27 conferences that are not a power conference and the new Power 4 because of the NIL affect. It can be seen in the next best conference, namely the Big East. In the past Big East coaches could sometimes develop a player that was somewhat off the radar in HS and turn them into a star.

Now if you do that, you are likely to lose that player. The player might like the program and the coach but still leave because the monetary differences are too big to ignore. Recent examples are Morrow from DePaul to LSU and Olson from Villanova to Iowa. Players used to leave because they were unhappy about playing time or a coach. Now they might leave the program and coach that elevated them to significant NIL possibilities, just because other Big East teams cannot compete with Power 4 schools in compensating players.

That is a new dynamic that means that the other conferences will probably lose many of their top players and the gap between the Power 4 and everyone else will get bigger specifically because of NIL opportunities. Uconn is an exception that can compete financially, but the other Big East schools cannot. Just a new reality that the Big East will probably lose ground to the Power 4 even if it is clearly the next best conference in the country.

I completely agree with you. My point was a broader one. There's always been a fairly significant gap between the have and have not schools. Certainly the transfer portal and nil operate in the favor of the halves. I'm not certain how significant this will be for the schools not in the power of four or top mid major conferences. That is 80% of players who attend have not schools will not be significantly changed from what their parents or grandparents experienced at have not schools in the past.

This will be exemplified Thursday in Arizona. The kitties from the dirty t a have school and in addition to the resources to pay their coach 1.2 million certainly have an nil collective and resources to induce transfer to their school. They do have a problem with a coach that seems to induce transfer out of the school but that's a different story.

Grand Canyon a 30 win team and NAU a 26 win are largely unaffected. The two transfers into Grand Canyon from UNLV came for reasons that I think have been timeless that is a new coach arrived and they didn't seem or appear to be valued by that coach.

NAU retained the same 11 players this year if they did the previous year. 2 years ago they did have a transfer in Leia Beattie due to I think family considerations.

So I do agree with you the transfer portal and financial considerations will certainly create tremendous churn among the 20% of the schools I would consider the halves. The 80% of students who attend the have not schools will be unaffected or marginal effect.

The positive is that the power of the NCAA to restrict both compensation and movement has largely been crushed. It always seemed to me to be both arbitrary and odd then a big-time coach could make a change and leave the school but that big time players could not. On the surface this type of discrimination seems pernicious.

On the issue of pay I have a similar perspective. While I don't grudge Dawn or Kim or Geno making huge bucks it seemed pernicious and unfair that the players who made them successful and generated hundreds of millions of dollars over time for the power four teams and their coaches received: well tuition and board? In other words peanuts. And not the Charles Schulz kind. I tend to be pretty much a free market guy but a Marxisn analysis seems on point here in terms of clear, obvious, intended exploitation.

I think also an additional movement toward a more reasonable compensation scheme we're going to have at least some transparency. We all know that players in the past received payment...under the table.

So will college sports change. Absolutely those changes continue the gap between The have and have not schools.

The the intense competition on the field, the court, or the pitch is now being extended into the labor market in an obvious and increasingly transparent manner.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Grand Canyon a 30 win team and NAU a 26 win are largely unaffected. The two transfers into Grand Canyon from UNLV came for reasons that I think have been timeless that is a new coach arrived and they didn't seem or appear to be valued by that coach.

Huh? La Rocque is in her 5th season at UNLV. Obiazor and Durazo-Frescas both played for her for 3 years. She was there before they were, she wasn't a new coach. And it took them each 3 years to figure out they didn't like playing for her?

Look at GCU's roster. I count 12 out of 15 players that played for at least 1 other school previously (several are on their third program). Maybe it's just a sign of the times.

 

[packwrap]

Transfers go 2 directions. Small conference stars move up to P4 for money, better competition, and a chance to prove themself at the top.

P4 players who ride the bench transfer down for playing time. GCU is getting transfers from somewhere.

I do think the rich will get richer, but it may be at more than 10 schools. We may see talent spread out more evenly through the whole P4. If the bottom schools choose to support WBB financially, the SEC and Big10 could get even more competitive in coming years.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Transfers go 2 directions.

There are tons of lateral transfers as well.

GCU has transfers from UC Santa Barbara, Long Beach St., Arizona St., Boise St., UNLV, San Diego, CSUN, Cal Baptist, Omaha, one player who has gone JC/Clemson/Oklahoma St., another player who has gone Youngstown St./UNLV, and finally one who has gone UC San Diego/Utah St.

I don't think you can draw any kind of hypothesis/theory from that, other than players are transferring like crazy these days.

 

[azfan]

Huh? La Rocque is in her 5th season at UNLV. Obiazor and Durazo-Frescas both played for her for 3 years. She was there before they were, she wasn't a new coach. And it took them each 3 years to figure out they didn't like playing for her?

Look at GCU's roster. I count 12 out of 15 players that played for at least 1 other school previously (several are on their third program). Maybe it's just a sign of the times.

In Vegas I spoke with a UNLV booster. He may not be as close to the program as he suggested. Lindy didn't recruit those two players according to him. Perception he had was that the players did not have confidence that their role would increase.

Molly Miller has done an admirable job of reacting to the changing environment. With eight seniors on the team she will again be very active. I think that there are a number of ways that coaches and programs will change and adapt.

That's said perhaps I'm naive and gullible and the gentleman I spoke to before the Wyoming San Diego State game may not have been reporting accurately on the issues surrounding the UNLV program.

When I mentioned my concern that Loee Payne and Molly Miller were prime candidates for higher level jobs he indicated that too was a concern among the UNLV community and boosters. We do know that Lindy is local to the Las Vegas area and very family oriented so it will be interesting to see if she follows the path that CTT followed in Tempe as a coach who turned the program around and had numerous opportunities at her late 30s and 40s to move on. With her ties to Stanford the thought was she was waiting for Tara the same could be said for Lindy and he had neither coach moved... Well CTT retired and Lindy hasn't made a move yet. It may be dependent upon what transpires with the changes impacting the Mountain West. Both coaches seemingly dodged a bullet based on what we've seen in Palo Alto.

 

[azfan]

There are tons of lateral transfers as well

I don't think you can draw any kind of hypothesis/theory from that, other than players are transferring like crazy these days.

I've often wondered about the transfer activity among players below the mid major ranking. Transferring is not costless for the athlete or their family and I'm not certain how much NIL is available to offset the cost of moving.

I believe there was a kerfunkel with a student who transferred into I think it was UNLV at quarterback and was extremely upset that he didn't get the money which was orally promised to him

I would guess most women basketball athletes in conferences like the Big sky, the West Coast conference, any even the Mountain West are not receiving significant money although I have to wonder if the program receiving the student is making an effort to cover the full cost of the student to move from school a to school b.

Even on the men's side with the exception of athletes like the running back at Boise State in football I can't imagine that there is significant money sloshing around facilitating transferring at this level.

 

[nwhoopfan]

n Vegas I spoke with a UNLV booster. He may not be as close to the program as he suggested. Lindy didn't recruit those two players according to him. Perception he had was that the players did not have confidence that their role would increase.

Huh. Well Lindy definitely arrived at UNLV 1 year prior to either player. One of them came in as a Fr. but the other was a transfer. I simply can't imagine a coach just starting her tenure taking a transfer that the previous coach recruited if she didn't want her there. Doesn't make sense. Looks like both were prominent players for their 3 years at UNLV. Obiazor received less playing time this year than she did in any of her 3 seasons at UNLV. If was all about playing time, she should've stayed at Youngstown St. where her career started. Got almost 30 minutes per game, well more than any of the following 4 years.

I'm sure the UNLV booster you talked to knows more about their program than I do, but some of those facts presented don't quite add up.

 

[packwrap]

. Both coaches seemingly dodged a bullet based on what we've seen in Palo Alto.

Stanford should only be a blip. They are always going to have first crack at the top academic kids on the hot 100. (Unless Paye really is the wrong coach.)

They also now have Andrew Luck in a Football GM position working to find a 'Stanford Way' to deal with NIL, pay to play, and transfers. This work will help them in basketball too.

Boosters want to help; they still like chasing Director's Cup.

They have a good class next year, and should have their system in place for 26/27.
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[BruinGold]

Stanford should only be a blip. They are always going to have first crack at the top academic kids on the hot 100. (Unless Paye really is the wrong coach.)

They also now have Andrew Luck in a Football GM position working to find a 'Stanford Way' to deal with NIL, pay to play, and transfers. This work will help them in basketball too.

Boosters want to help; they still like chasing Director's Cup.

They have a good class next year, and should have their system in place for 26/27.
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Luck was at the UCLA/Stanford Gymnastics meet a couple weeks back at UCLA. He may be looking at Stanford Athletics from a more holistic viewpoint than just the football team.

 

[azfan]

Stanford should only be a blip. They are always going to have first crack at the top academic kids on the hot 100. (Unless Paye really is the wrong coach.)

They also now have Andrew Luck in a Football GM position working to find a 'Stanford Way' to deal with NIL, pay to play, and transfers. This work will help them in basketball too.

Boosters want to help; they still like chasing Director's Cup.

They have a good class next year, and should have their system in place for 26/27.
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Wonder how the Card do against the Pilots tonight in the late game.