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I'm with you and @bballnut90 on the overall reasoning. However, I'm not sure Steph White is the primary architect of all this. Jen Rizzotti hinted roster changes were possibly forthcoming in the last few months. Plus, she hired Darious Taylor from the Atlanta Dream to be her general manager. I'm sure White -- who was commentating the Ga. Tech-Duke broadcast yesterday -- has input here, but it's just not her.

BTW, this tells me that Tyasha Harris will most certainly be given a shot to run the point for the Sun...
I agreed. I forgot Taylor was hired as GM. I posted back earlier the Sun just seemed to be missing something to put them over the edge. I really didn't see Miller leaving but figured some retooling would happen. Still, that doesn't seem like much in return for a veteran PG, even one coming off an injury.
 
Without Jonquel Jones, Liv constitutes just about the only real size that the Sun will have in 2023, so she will make the final roster. @bballnut90 , who do you see in the Sun's front court (6-4 or above) if they part ways with Liv?

And I think her play in LA last year (which was much better than any of the pundits expected) also speaks in her favor.
 
Without Jonquel Jones, Liv constitutes just about the only real size that the Sun will have in 2023, so she will make the final roster. @bballnut90 , who do you see in the Sun's front court (6-4 or above) if they part ways with Liv?

And I think her play in LA last year (which was much better than any of the pundits expected) also speaks in her favor.
That's fair--given the roster makeup and trade, she probably does make the roster. Generally speaking I see her as a backup/toward the bottom of the depth chart player on most rosters. I think there's a good chance Walker/Smith don't make the final roster, where Jasmine Thomas is a seasoned PG and veteran who is also an elite defender. Connecticut should be fine with Hiedeman but I think in terms of trade value, Thomas is worth more than a couple of end of bench players, so I LA as winning this trade.
 
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Last I saw, Hiedeman and Thomas were partners. So I wouldn’t be surprised if she moved on as well.
 
Last I saw, Hiedeman and Thomas were partners. So I wouldn’t be surprised if she moved on as well.
Not anymore......
Liv better pray she makes the roster i would not be shocked if she did not either.
 
It was reported that JJ requested a trade to NY. It seems like when these players want out they get what they want in the WNBA. It appears to be a much better deal for NY than anyone else.
If Stewie decides to go home, New York would be one of the favorites for a championship. JJ and Stewie have played together in Russia, so should be a seem less transition. And having Dolson who is a good passer and can hit the 3, team would be good offensively and defensively.
 
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While I understand CT’s need to clear cap space and its desire to honor Jonquel Jones’ trade request, I am not sure how pairing Alyssa Thomas and Brionna Jones in the frontcourt meshes with the Rizzotti’s /White’s stated desire to play at a faster pace and shoot more threes.

Having Rebecca Allen will help, but neither Thomas nor Jones is a threat from distance – or even outside the paint. Courtney Williams had one year where she was a consistent threat from three (2021, with Atlanta), but she is a player who mostly settles for long twos with inconsistent efficiency at this stage.

Given Jonquel Jones is a former MVP and still in her basketball prime, the haul for trading Jones and Jasmine Thomas was the #6 pick, Rebecca Allen, Olivia Nelson-Ododa, Jasmine Walker, and the rights to Kianna Smith.

And the fact the Liberty also acquired Kayla Thornton instead of the Sun shows how lopsided the Jones trade was.
 
From M.A. vopel


Sources tell ESPN that an agreement is in place for guard Allisha Gray to be traded to @AtlantaDream from @DallasWings. Details being finalized. @Graytness_15 was 2017 @WNBA rookie of year out of @GamecockWBB and was 3x3 Olympic gold medalist in 2021.
 
From M.A. vopel


Sources tell ESPN that an agreement is in place for guard Allisha Gray to be traded to @AtlantaDream from @DallasWings. Details being finalized. @Graytness_15 was 2017 @WNBA rookie of year out of @GamecockWBB and was 3x3 Olympic gold medalist in 2021.
Here's Voepel's article:


So, Gray and Harris are out of the equation in the Wings' backcourt. Three thoughts come to mind:
  • Veronica Burton is probably slated to start, given Latricia Trammel's preference for defense. Will Crystal Dangerfield sign/be signed?
  • It Dallas resigns Marina Mabrey, Mabrey can revert to the wing role which would allow her to do what she does best -- score.
  • How many draft choices will the Wings get for Gray? The #3, for sure. Maybe the #8, too? I'm guessing they'll snare whoever is not chosen by Minnesota: Haley Jones or Diamond Miller. I can see Miller complementing "Marike";s primarily outside attack.
  • Dallas still has a lot of tall people signed. With Howard aboard, seemingly paired with Satou Sabally, what do they do with Izzy Harrison (another player that wanted out at the end of last year), Teaira McCowan (another restricted free agent), Charli Collier, Awak Kuier and Bella Alarie. Expect some action on this front, as well.
 
Kevin Pelton of ESPNw weighs in with his analysis of the trade(s) and what each team gets out of it.


A few thoughts from my perspective:

For the Liberty:
  • From what I've read, the Liberty could still go after Stewie. Will this make NYC more/less an interesting destination for her? As much as Stewie knew Howard, Jones is younger and equally adept offensively and defensively, inside and out.
  • Thornton is tough. She and Laney could play linebacker in the offseason.
  • Do they find a point guard to keep Ionescu off ball?

For the Sun:
  • They'd better core Brionna Jones. This was brought up by one pre-season pundit in her predictions (Athletic?) and it made some sense.
  • Tyasha Harris was one of many Wings PG's to be yin-yanged, so can't really say what she'll do with extended opportunities. Still, she's got length and talent.
  • Will Rebecca Allen blossom?

For Wings:
  • Defense-minded coach is already showing influence getting Howard and keeping Valerie Burton as point guard to play defense.
  • Now, what decisions are made with the whole slew of others posts/forwards (Big T, Harrison, Charlie Collier, Bella Alarie). I could see both Harrison and Big T walking and keeping Collier to back up Sabally, who is injury-prone. If Alarie comes back, she could be a back-up for Howard on defense.
  • Guard/wing questions: what happens with Mabrey/Gray?
Stewie in New York with Jones makes the Liberty amoung the top 2 teams if not the top. JJ and Stewie played together in Russia, if they can get Vandersloot for one year, who also played on that team, could be best team ever.
Good depth, and most of stars in their primes.
 
Stewie in New York with Jones makes the Liberty amoung the top 2 teams if not the top. JJ and Stewie played together in Russia, if they can get Vandersloot for one year, who also played on that team, could be best team ever.
Good depth, and most of stars in their primes.
Not to mention Ionescu is there too. That roster would be insanely stacked and I actually could see all of them thriving together.
 
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Per Alexa P

BREAKING: Dearica Hamby — a champion with the Las Vegas Aces — has been traded to the Los Angeles Sparks.

Sparks get the Aces’ 2024 first rounder and send exclusive negotiating rights to Amanda Zahui B and their 2024 second round pick to Vegas
 
Per Alexa P

BREAKING: Dearica Hamby — a champion with the Las Vegas Aces — has been traded to the Los Angeles Sparks.

Sparks get the Aces’ 2024 first rounder and send exclusive negotiating rights to Amanda Zahui B and their 2024 second round pick to Vegas

Confused by this. Really am.
 
Per Alexa P

BREAKING: Dearica Hamby — a champion with the Las Vegas Aces — has been traded to the Los Angeles Sparks.

Sparks get the Aces’ 2024 first rounder and send exclusive negotiating rights to Amanda Zahui B and their 2024 second round pick to Vegas

Confused by this. Really am.



I feel your confustion :confused:Hold it...the Aces gave up both Hamby -- a starter and All-Star -- and the draft pick for the rights to Zahui B (who should be a back-up)?
Huh? I know Hamby is pregnant with her 2nd child, but whose going to fill up that forward slot? Have to think there's a free agent signing out there (with Hamby's salary) and/or a possible other trade (and don't ask me whom). Let the fun beging.
 
I believe hamburger is pregnant… and that’s it. All I got

Still doesn't make sense to me. Hamby and Zhaui B are different players in my opinion. Who does Vegas see filling that gap? That's why I'm stumped.
 
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While I understand CT’s need to clear cap space and its desire to honor Jonquel Jones’ trade request, I am not sure how pairing Alyssa Thomas and Brionna Jones in the frontcourt meshes with the Rizzotti’s /White’s stated desire to play at a faster pace and shoot more threes.

Having Rebecca Allen will help, but neither Thomas nor Jones is a threat from distance – or even outside the paint. Courtney Williams had one year where she was a consistent threat from three (2021, with Atlanta), but she is a player who mostly settles for long twos with inconsistent efficiency at this stage.

Given Jonquel Jones is a former MVP and still in her basketball prime, the haul for trading Jones and Jasmine Thomas was the #6 pick, Rebecca Allen, Olivia Nelson-Ododa, Jasmine Walker, and the rights to Kianna Smith.

And the fact the Liberty also acquired Kayla Thornton instead of the Sun shows how lopsided the Jones trade was.
And neither Thomas or Jones will protect the rim, which many times creates, a miss and fast break the other way.
 
Still doesn't make sense to me. Hamby and Zhaui B are different players in my opinion. Who does Vegas see filling that gap? That's why I'm stumped.

Not disagreeing…
I don't think Zhaui B. is coming aboard to fill the Hamby gap. Think she'll be a sub for both Wilson and whomever takes over that slot.
They must have someone in mind, which will fit into the money slot they used for Hamby. That's my only guess here. Heck...it's gotta be something like that because they traded away the '23 draft pick.
 
definitely was a move to save cap space for a player, not sure who it could be. Just know as a raiders fan, Mark Davis has not been afraid to spend money with raiders and aces. Rumors on Tom Brady coming here too.
 
definitely was a move to save cap space for a player, not sure who it could be. Just know as a raiders fan, Mark Davis has not been afraid to spend money with raiders and aces. Rumors on Tom Brady coming here too.

That's true, however results are mixed. It's paid off for the Aces. Jury's out regarding the Raiders.
 
That's true, however results are mixed. It's paid off for the Aces. Jury's out regarding the Raiders.

If this is, indeed, a move made to free up cap space in order to find a replacement for the player who created the need -- because of pregnancy -- then that's draconian. It's also a policy that should change in the WNBA. If a player is pregnant, why should that count against the cap for that year? Yes, I know the Aces are up against the cap, but -- holy crow -- this has been one of the key drivers of the team.

I just saw this article on ESPNw and see that Hamby expressed some angst about...??

"In June, the Aces announced the had signed Hamby to a two-year contract extension. But there were signs that something might be amiss this week when Hamby -- who during the Aces' victory parade announced she is pregnant -- tweeted, "Imagine expressing your fears as a woman and being pregnant in this profession/world.... Then to be reassured that you were supported.. and your back was "had".... only to then be used against you.""

 
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That's true, however results are mixed. It's paid off for the Aces. Jury's out regarding the Raiders.
well thankfully the qb is gone, had enough of him and his excuses. Idk how good they'll be with Brady, but you can't deny his energy will bring new levels of confidence to a team who already has a #1 rb #1 wr in the game.
 
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Matthew Walter of "The Next" gives input into how this Hamby-??? (Zahui B) trade impacts the Aces' salary cap.

"The Aces went into this offseason with very limited cap space because they had signed all of their core players to extensions during the 2022 season. This included Hamby, who signed a two-year extension through 2024 in June. In trading Hamby, the Aces open up $169,000 in cap space for this offseason. This gives them $307,804 in total to work with to sign three to four free agents."
 
As a Ace fan, sad to see Hamby go.



Sorry arse franchise, doesn't matter if they bring in Tom Brady or not. They could bring in Wayne Brady...Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett... wouldn't matter.
Think they have already had a couple of WAYNE Brady types
 
I think the Aces trade was a good one for both organizations. I'm sad to see Hamby go but it's clear that the Aces are trying to go back to back and the uncertainty with Hamby sort of threw a wrench in their plans.

Potentially waiting for her to get back or hopinh that she's in decent enough shape to continue with a organization with such high expectations this season. It isn't ideal for the team which lacked depth already and is also unfair to Hamby with the pressure to get back in such a short time with this pressure.

The lack of cap space and the lack of quality depth meant something had to give and she unfortunately made the most sense for a trade of the starters. AZB is another veteran big that could either relieve A'ja or play along side her at a cheaper price. Depending on how much they pay her they could either get a few players at or around the minimum salary or they can add another solid piece plus another cheap player.

On the other side LA gets Hamby plus a future first round pick. A couple of decent off-season moves and LA could really have a squad to look out for.

* Oh, I just saw Dearica statement and yeah the Vegas front office have some explaining to do if true.
 
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* Oh, I just saw Dearica statement and yeah the Vegas front office have some explaining to do if true.
And here is the entirety of Ms. Hamby's statement. Whew...Aces better respond to this in as straightforward a manner as possible or I'm hoping ND alum Jackie Young can get out of there, too.

https://www./wnba/las-vegas-aces/de...as-aces-bullying-manipulation-discrimination/
 
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