2023-24 South Carolina regular season, Part 2

[LwrcasefaN]

Yes, you are. You would not have brought up her being a potential starter in the SEC elsewhere if you didn't have her starting at South Carolina in mind. That's the reason for the "unfair treatment" sentiment and the "getting recruited over" statement. So yes, you do think that she should be in the conversation for starting since she's "waited her turn" yet may have to be "the backup to a backup".


Why not? If there's something that you're seeing in practice that the coaching staff isn't, then please feel free to divulge that information. I've asked multiple times yet have not received anything substantive on this front.


Yes, as some "HS recruits" are just that good. Joyce may be one of those recruits.


Yes, one of those options being for her to stay where she is, fight for the minutes that you think she deserves, contribute to another championship team, and put herself in position to get drafted. She does not need to be a starter to be drafted. She does, however, need to show the coaching staff enough in practices and in games to warrant enough exposure to make a case for herself.


I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I did bring up a situation where an SEC backup has been drafted in the first round and made a team while an SEC starter on a championship team was drafted later and did not make a team. We've seen that a player who leaves SC and receives a bigger role doesn't always get a better outcome than one who stays and has a lesser role.


Again, who's saying it would be a bad thing for her to leave? It just would not make sense if being drafted is the ultimate goal. If she's a sure-fire draft pick on what will certainly be a lesser team, then she's a sure-fire draft pick on a team where she'd receive far more exposure. If the talent is there, the scouts will see it and react accordingly. Sania leaving to play at another institution at this point isn't going to magically turn her into a better draft pick than she'd be if she remains at South Carolina.


Players can receive more opportunity and still not be drafted. I'm still waiting to learn about what you're seeing in games and practices that the coaching staff isn't seeing.


Sure, that happens.


Not sure what this has to do with the present discussion, as Sania has not been relegated to "cheerleading". But again, this ties back into you thinking that she should be in line for a starting role (while not providing any substantive to back up the claim).


Could be, but that would go against your belief that she should not have others challenging her for minutes because she's waited her turn. If, for example, Joyce is a better fit, shouldn't she play more?


What about them? They were Top 5 recruits (who were both seen as future first round draft picks) who went to Maryland, played a lot at Maryland, but decided to go elsewhere (for whatever reason--likely clashed with the coach's philosophy). They were both first round picks at their new schools just like they would've been, in all likelihood, had they remained at Maryland. I don't see the direct parallels between their situation(s) and that of Sania.


So if Sania's being looked over and relegated to cheerleader status (in your mind) and it doesn't have to do with the actual instruction she's receiving but the decision that is being made by the coaching staff, then what do you think is leading to said decisions being made? The player herself. So again, the coaches aren't seeing what they need to see from the player for her to be in a position to not have her minutes challenged. So if they've deemed her to be a backup or a "backup to a backup", then that's the case she's made for herself to this point.


Yes, Dawn and her staff know this very well and do their best to distribute them based on team need/chemistry, player development, and merit. It's a delicate balance, and she has done a better job than most of striking said balance.


You haven't actually said what you think makes her a very good player--just that you believe she's a very good player while suggesting that you believe she's not being given a fair shake by those who have dissected her game the most.

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[visitingcock]

Yes, you are. You would not have brought up her being a potential starter in the SEC elsewhere if you didn't have her starting at South Carolina in mind. That's the reason for the "unfair treatment" sentiment and the "getting recruited over" statement. So yes, you do think that she should be in the conversation for starting since she's "waited her turn" yet may have to be "the backup to a backup".


Why not? If there's something that you're seeing in practice that the coaching staff isn't, then please feel free to divulge that information. I've asked multiple times yet have not received anything substantive on this front.


Yes, as some "HS recruits" are just that good. Joyce may be one of those recruits.


Yes, one of those options being for her to stay where she is, fight for the minutes that you think she deserves, contribute to another championship team, and put herself in position to get drafted. She does not need to be a starter to be drafted. She does, however, need to show the coaching staff enough in practices and in games to warrant enough exposure to make a case for herself.


I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I did bring up a situation where an SEC backup has been drafted in the first round and made a team while an SEC starter on a championship team was drafted later and did not make a team. We've seen that a player who leaves SC and receives a bigger role doesn't always get a better outcome than one who stays and has a lesser role.


Again, who's saying it would be a bad thing for her to leave? It just would not make sense if being drafted is the ultimate goal. If she's a sure-fire draft pick on what will certainly be a lesser team, then she's a sure-fire draft pick on a team where she'd receive far more exposure. If the talent is there, the scouts will see it and react accordingly. Sania leaving to play at another institution at this point isn't going to magically turn her into a better draft pick than she'd be if she remains at South Carolina.


Players can receive more opportunity and still not be drafted. I'm still waiting to learn about what you're seeing in games and practices that the coaching staff isn't seeing.


Sure, that happens.


Not sure what this has to do with the present discussion, as Sania has not been relegated to "cheerleading". But again, this ties back into you thinking that she should be in line for a starting role (while not providing any substantive to back up the claim).


Could be, but that would go against your belief that she should not have others challenging her for minutes because she's waited her turn. If, for example, Joyce is a better fit, shouldn't she play more?


What about them? They were Top 5 recruits (who were both seen as future first round draft picks) who went to Maryland, played a lot at Maryland, but decided to go elsewhere (for whatever reason--likely clashed with the coach's philosophy). They were both first round picks at their new schools just like they would've been, in all likelihood, had they remained at Maryland. I don't see the direct parallels between their situation(s) and that of Sania.


So if Sania's being looked over and relegated to cheerleader status (in your mind) and it doesn't have to do with the actual instruction she's receiving but the decision that is being made by the coaching staff, then what do you think is leading to said decisions being made? The player herself. So again, the coaches aren't seeing what they need to see from the player for her to be in a position to not have her minutes challenged. So if they've deemed her to be a backup or a "backup to a backup", then that's the case she's made for herself to this point.


Yes, Dawn and her staff know this very well and do their best to distribute them based on team need/chemistry, player development, and merit. It's a delicate balance, and she has done a better job than most of striking said balance.


You haven't actually said what you think makes her a very good player--just that you believe she's a very good player while suggesting that you believe she's not being given a fair shake by those who have dissected her game the most.

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Timeout guys.

Let’s let Kiki and Dawn and Sania make the decisions

 

[jumpstart]

UM...again, no I'm not. I just don't think she should be seen as a backup to a backup. Backup to a HS recruit? Do you? AND...maybe that's what she will always be on this team, but there are options. If she has a choice between being a backup to a backup versus starting somewhere else to showcase what she can do if given a larger role, then why would you be opposed to that consideration? Why would it be a bad thing, especially considering the opinion here is she is somewhere between being not drafted or drafted and not making a team. Maybe it's not about practice or lack of skill, but opportunity. On the best teams, it gets crowded. Not everyone is going to consent to cheerleading for four years. Sometimes it's just the wrong fit for a player. Look at Reese. Look at Shakeera Austin. I never said it had anything to do with coaching. Maybe coaching decisions, but that's not the same thing. There are only so many minutes to go around. I haven't seen anything that suggests she isn't a very good player.

Who told you she would be a backup to a high school recruit? That's just talk. Feagin will be fine, and she has a great opportunity to show out in the coming year. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse for some reason.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

Who told you she would be a backup to a high school recruit? That's just talk. Feagin will be fine, and she has a great opportunity to show out in the coming year. You seem to be putting the cart before the horse for some reason.

And...you seem to have jumped in the middle of a conversation. Try the beginning.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

That would be a shame.

There are plenty of good players that don't get drafted.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

There are plenty of good players that don't get drafted.

True, but I believe she will be.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Because in the scenario the poster presented...she was left out. Joyce Edwards hasn't played a single college game so I thought it odd to suggest that Feagin would be her backup. How many college games has she played? You would suggest she back her up? Based on what?

I think you need to go back and read what I wrote versus what you injected here. I didn't say anything about her starting or being treated "unfairly". I've seen enough to think that there's probably not an SEC team where she wouldn't be a probable starter. Something she may want to consider all her options. Wasn't talking about Kiki or Watkins. I'm strictly talking about Feagin and what she needs to consider for herself.

Who said Joyce would start? I sure didn't. Sania is a good player with a lot of talent, but to this point, she hasn't shown me that she would play in front of those other players. It doesn't mean I don't like Sania and want her to do well, it means what I've seen from her playing, thus far, I don't think she's better than those other players.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

Who said Joyce would start? I sure didn't. Sania is a good player with a lot of talent, but to this point, she hasn't shown me that she would play in front of those other players. It doesn't mean I don't like Sania and want her to do well, it means what I've seen from her playing, thus far, I don't think she's better than those other players.

You didn't say that, but neither did I. What I did say is that Sania would probably start for most if not all SEC teams...if she desired more visibility and playing time.

 

[GamecockFam]

We have 13 players spread across 8 of the 12 training camps! Our WNBA brand is growing and is currently #2 among most active players behind UConn.

 

[jumpstart]

You didn't say that, but neither did I. What I did say is that Sania would probably start for most if not all SEC teams...if she desired more visibility and playing time.

Visibility is not a problem. The minutes are not a problem either. This "starter" thing is way overrated when they go to South Carolina. They will get exposure and most of the girls will end up playing overseas regardless of whether they are WNBA players or not. The real money is overseas. Dawn develops players. If these girls are smart, then they will stay at South Carolina or UCONN and reap those advantages. The WNBA is the minor leagues compared to what they make overseas. It may change but for now...it is what it is.

 

[visitingcock]

We have 13 players spread across 8 of the 12 training camps! Our WNBA brand is growing and is currently #2 among most active players behind UConn.View attachment 100165

Six of those players plus Destanni Henderson were on the roster of the 2020 “banner” team.

Is Destanni going to play Euro League this year?

 

[JDuro]

We have 13 players spread across 8 of the 12 training camps! Our WNBA brand is growing and is currently #2 among most active players behind UConn.View attachment 100165

The Dream have made Henny #14 - FINALLY.

 

[visitingcock]

Is it time to post "Gamecocks 2024-2025 Season - Part 1" and let @HuskyNan close this one down? Portal season is probably finished for us and we seem to have wrapped up our discussion of the completed 2024 championship (we've actually been pretty subdued in our celebration). Time to move forward?