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Here’s who currently fit my 4 main criteria:
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My MVP criteria:
1. At least 15.5 ppg. No MVP has ever fallen below that threshold.
2. At least 43.4 FG%. No MVP has ever fallen below that threshold.
3. Must come from a team with a non-losing record.
4. Must not miss more than three games. (Should probably make that 2 games this season since it’s 2/3 of a season.)

I’ll probably update this list every Monday.
 
It's Stewart and Wilson, and then everybody else at this point.

Funny, Griner's numbers look okay compared to those 2, but I can't take her seriously at all as an MVP candidate.

Watching games on ABC yesterday, one of the talking heads had her list of candidates. She had Stewart, Wilson, Parker, Vandersloot and one more I'm forgetting.

edit--It was Fowles. She's missed too many games though.
 
To me it is Stewart. She is flirting with 50/40/90 shooting, is top 15 in the league for all 5 major statistical categories, and is the motor behind the best team in the league. Also is rated #1 for efficiency. It will be interesting to see if she is faulted for having a great supporting cast.

Wilson is the next best in my opinion. If her efficiency improves & Vegas is a clear #2 team, she has a very solid case. Especially if she outscores Stewart by a few ppg. Their head to head match ups will also play a role.

Kelsey Mitchell has also impressed me, but Indiana isn't faring too well in the standings.
 
In 2007, Lauren Jackson won MVP on the 17-17 Seattle Storm. So that establishes that threshold.

Other than the not missing games criteria, these are all very low bar standards for a MVP candidate. There should be more than 4 players on the list, but it’s not turning out that way so far.
 
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Shades said:
Here’s who currently fit my 4 main criteria:
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My MVP criteria:
1. At least 15.5 ppg. No MVP has ever fallen below that threshold.
2. At least 43.4 FG%. No MVP has ever fallen below that threshold.
3. Must come from a team with a non-losing record.
4. Must not miss more than three games. (Should probably make that 2 games this season since it’s 2/3 of a season.)

I’ll probably update this list every Monday.
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3 of Diggins past 5 games she has more turnovers than assists in the games, all were losses for Phoenix. So "lately" she hasnt risen to the MVP elite. However, it is an award for the entire season, so there is time.

Oh, another thing Ernie Banks was the MVP for the Cubs in both 1958 and 1959. The Cubs had losing records both years. My favorite current athlete, after Lou, is Mike Trout. MVP last season for the Angels and they had a losing record.
 
ochoopsfan said:
3 of Diggins past 5 games she has more turnovers than assists in the games, all were losses for Phoenix. So "lately" she hasnt risen to the MVP elite. However, it is an award for the entire season, so there is time.

Oh, another thing Ernie Banks was the MVP for the Cubs in both 1958 and 1959. The Cubs had losing records both years. My favorite current athlete, after Lou, is Mike Trout. MVP last season for the Angels and they had a losing record.
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A star baseball player is not expected to drag a mediocre team into a contender but in basketball, a true all star should have a dramatic effect.
 
ochoopsfan said:
3 of Diggins past 5 games she has more turnovers than assists in the games, all were losses for Phoenix. So "lately" she hasnt risen to the MVP elite. However, it is an award for the entire season, so there is time.

Oh, another thing Ernie Banks was the MVP for the Cubs in both 1958 and 1959. The Cubs had losing records both years. My favorite current athlete, after Lou, is Mike Trout. MVP last season for the Angels and they had a losing record.
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Andre Dawson 1987 with the cubs won mvp and they were awful but his numbers were head and shoulders above everyone else
 
Zanzman said:
Andre Dawson 1987 with the cubs won mvp and they were awful but his numbers were head and shoulders above everyone else
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Head and shoulders above everyone else? He wasn’t even in the top 10 in WAR. He lead league in HRs and RBIs, but a number of other players had seasons as good or better.
 
If they keep it up, it may come down to how Stewie and A'ja (and the Storm and the Aces) play head to head. They both look really good.
 
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Bigboote said:
If they keep it up, it may come down to how Stewie and A'ja (and the Storm and the Aces) play head to head. They both look really good.
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LV and Seattle will face off on the 22nd and again on the 27th.
 
I'd rank as follows from a viewing and statistical standpoint:
1. Stewart

Big Gap

2. A'ja Wilson
3. Courtney Vandersloot
4. Brittney Griner


LA is way too balanced to get someone in consideration, and Parker is playing well but not at an MVP level.


Sloot could be in consideration for 2nd if Chicago finishes the 2nd half of the season strong. 12.2 points, 8.6 assists, 3.7 A/TO, close to 50/40/90 club.
 
Phoenix has 4 players in the top 10 in scoring currently. How are they barely over .500? I just can't see Griner being a serious contender for MVP.
 
Bigboote said:
If they keep it up, it may come down to how Stewie and A'ja (and the Storm and the Aces) play head to head. They both look really good.
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After last night, Aja may have taken a step back and Stewie being best player on historically performing team
 
Are the other defensive stats (blocks, steals) part of the consideration for MVP? Just asking for a friend... :D
 
On the othee hand, if sloot keeps leading chicago with double digit assists and they make it into the top 2, I think that might be Stewie's main competition.
 
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McCoughtry slides onto the list, and get this, she’s getting 15.5 ppg on only 20.8 mpg. Laimbeer is clearly trying to limit her minutes whether it hurts the team or not. McCoughtry with only 22 min last night.

I suspect after the Lynx game tonight, Collier may join the list.
 
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Just for fun (I'm a geek) I looked at ordinals. Here's where each person ranks in the different categories on the first page of the W stats. I ran everyone on a team near or above .500 and averaging 15 points, plus Sloot and Candace. Blanks are where the player isn't in the top 50. Collier is the only one in the top 20 in all categories, Stewie close..


Playerpointsreboundsassistsstealsblocks
Wilson
2​
4​
35​
3​
3​
Stewart
3​
8​
22​
8​
5​
1​
Taurasi
4​
30​
4​
26​
24​
5​
Bonner
5​
8​
22​
2​
21​
6​
Griner
6​
12​
24​
2​
8​
Diggins
8​
49​
11​
38​
27​
12​
Collier
10​
4​
16​
4​
7​
2​
Dangerfield
11​
22​
47​
29​
Copper
13​
27​
45​
38​
18​
Quigley
14​
36​
38​
23​
A. Thomas
15​
3​
6​
3​
4​
Vandersloot
23​
45​
1​
30​
27​
7​
Ca. Parker
24​
1​
9​
28​
10​
9​
 
Sloot's performance tonight was roughly neutral. I think Phee lost a little ground. Stewie was maybe neutral. 4-17 is poor, but 14 boards are good.

This could come down to the last couple of games.
 
Shades said:
ROY candidates
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This suggests Carter is slightly ahead, but she missed 6 games and her team trails Crystal's team by 8 games.

The shooting stats for Julie and Satou are surprising. Satou is a big, but shooting only 35%. Julie is shooting 49% and making lots of treys.

Like the MVP race, I think it's a 2-player race. Chennedy likely will be a superstar, but Crystal is matching her right now.
 
MilfordHusky said:
This suggests Carter is slightly ahead, but she missed 6 games and her team trails Crystal's team by 8 games.

The shooting stats for Julie and Satou are surprising. Satou is a big, but shooting only 35%. Julie is shooting 49% and making lots of treys.

Like the MVP race, I think it's a 2-player race. Chennedy likely will be a superstar, but Crystal is matching her right now.
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No way anybody should get ROY over Crystal and that doesn’t have anything to do with me being biased as a UConn fan. Like Napheesa last year, she was very pivotal and a starter for a team that has one of the better records in the league. She separated herself in the last month. If I had it my way, all rookies from UConn would play for Reeve and then once they get established as a core player in the league, they could go (or stay) to whatever team they liked.
 
DeeHusky said:
No way anybody should get ROY over Crystal and that doesn’t have anything to do with me being biased as a UConn fan. Like Napheesa last year, she was very pivotal and a starter for a team that has one of the better records in the league. She separated herself in the last month. If I had it my way, all rookies from UConn would play for Reeve and then once they get established as a core player in the league, they could go (or stay) to whatever team they liked.
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Unlike the MVP, not sure much weight is given to the team record for ROY . Maybe someone industrious BY'er can investigate if there were ROY winners on poor (or even lousy) teams ??
 
Not gonna look at records for the team w/ the ROY every year, but Loyd and Stewie won back to back w/ Seattle when they were 10-24 and then 16-18.

Makes sense that the best draft pick goes to a bad team, and no matter how good that player is they aren't instantaneously going to become a contender. Plus if it's a team lacking much talent, a rookie would have a chance to shine immediately.
 
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