- Aug 26, 2011
Anyone watching this on Netflix? Hear good things.
I understand the final episode shows the suicide in graphic form and is pretty shocking.
I've got some strong thoughts about this one.To a 21st century teen girl all they will take out of this is that if you feel down and challenged, the best glory you are going to get is to off yourself.
It gets much heavier too. It'sThanks. I started last night. Couple shows in. Like it so far but has a depressing feel about it where know where ends and I like the "victim" Hannah. Will stick with it.
PS. Good call Deep....appears not a show for 13 year olds or even any immature High Schooler for that matter.
Meh. Thats exactly what we did with my 15 year old. Wasnt worth it. The messages you are seeing while valid takes as detached observer (as I was ) are not what teen girls are seeing. Trust me on that.I do think it's instructive for younger girls if watching w a parent and discussing all the themes afterwards.
Did you talk a lot w her about it or no? That's the instructive part imo.Meh. Thats exactly what we did with my 15 year old. Wasnt worth it. The messages you are seeing while valid takes as detached observer (as I was ) are not what teen girls are seeing. Trust me on that.
Fair enough. Everybody's got a different situation. And each family dynamic is unique unto itself.Yes.
Every episode. And the my wife made us throw in the towel after ep 6 I think. We continued to watch and I changed our Netflix password until the storm blew over.
It hits way too close to home.
Fair enough. Everybody's got a different situation. And each family dynamic is unique unto itself.
I mean, for me personally, I've never been one to want to shield kids. The reality is, they ate going to be exposed to it either way, so trying to guide them might be helpful. At worst a wash. I know if my parents denied me, I'd move heaven and earth to experience whatever it was. In this case I'd finish the series at a friend's or on the laptop via torrent.
When I say glorifying suicide, I mean, the scene itself is sad, but almost beautiful (almost romantic) and cathartic, with regard to pain. It's really well shot actually, from a cinematic perspective.There was shorter thread right about the time it came out. I had the car crash mentality and watched the whole thing in two days. As far as "glorifying suicide" I really don't see it. The graphic depiction doesn't make it seem like a walk in the park.
No, but the most 'likable' characters, Tony and Clay, absolutely purport this sort of thing, which serves to underscore it. And the whole 'system/peers failing Hannah' thing. Even Kat, the girl who moved, blames the school and it's culture. So it sends a message that this is the take away.And all the kids continued to talk scalito about her after she died. It's not like there's a pity party for her. Clay makes a point of pointing that out numerous times. I think it was realistic in portraying people's actions and how even kids who seem perfect do awful things.
Some guys are 'off the hook', but more often it's guys like Montgomery (the bully) and Bryce. Marcus, is nothing but cold, incredibly self interested, and wholly disrespectful of women/peersBeing "anti-guy" is an...interesting take. Obviouslyin a negative light but all other male characters are in some way sympathetic characters.the show shines Bryce
On season 2,the photo kid going on a shooting spree is speculation. I saw the "teaser" and it was clearly fan-made. I think it's more likely to follow the trial and more details about Hannah and her relationships with the 13 others. That said, I feel like the photo kid IS planning a shooting but it is thwarted in some way or another. [\SPOILER]
When I say glorifying suicide, I mean, the scene itself is sad, but almost beautiful and cathartic. It's really well shot actually, from a cinematic perspective.
There is a large element of both the system and her peers failing Hannah. And while that may be true to a smaller extent, the real message should be that she failed herself in a way. Because make no mistake, suicide ultimately is a choice. And no one can truly stop it from happening, but themselves.
And it is self indulgently melodramatic to the extreme to be leaving tapes blaming everyone else for your suicide, as essentially a (co) murderer. This ultimately 'glamorizes' the suicide as well. It paints Hannah as the 'victim', largely (un)responsible for her own reactions/choice.
Some of my thinking is based on talking with a number of psychologists and counselors about it. They are damn near universally disappointed in the messages this series portrays.
There's a million articles on the same subject:
Here's a young girl who gets it: How '13 Reasons Why' gets suicide wrong: Voices
Netflix’s 13 Reasons Why is an irresponsible dramatisation of teenage suicide
'13 Reasons Why' is provocative and devastating. Is it also dangerous?
I could repost for hours, but: last peer discussion about hannah trial - Google Search
No, but the most 'likable' characters, Tony and Clay, absolutely purport this sort of thing, which serves to underscore it. And the whole 'system/peers failing Hannah' thing. Even Kat, the girl who moved, blames the school and it's culture. So it sends a message that this is the take away.
Some guys are 'off the hook', but more often it's guys like Montgomery (the bully) and Bryce. Marcus, is nothing but cold, incredibly self interested, and wholly disrespectful of women/peersHow many girls are truly looked on as not victims? Only one if you are really being honest: the Asian girl.(treating hannah like crap at the diner/clay weed).
As far as guys go, it's more a overall cultural thing in the series. In my experience, in general, girls are far more cruel to each other than guys are to girls, especially in middle and high school. 'Mean Girls' is a real thing.
How do you feel it's speculation? The entire last episode builds up to it. Tyler being relentlessly picked on and ostracized, purchasing a pistol, securing his weapons cache before his mom sees it, creating and curating a 'kill list'--as displayed when he takes down Alex's photo while recalling a time Alex stuck up for him, etc etc
This is very true.I actually agree with how the boys are portrayed but that's a Hollywood problem not a 13 reason why problem. I actually wrote a paper on it in college using Superbad and Mean Girls (not a bad research model haha). There aren't really many positive examples of adolescent men like anywhere in movies/tv.
Haha I know right? Never thought of that.Jeff is the best dude ever and he dies with the world thinking he was drunk driving!?