#1 and #2 Seed Discussion

[Tenspro2002]

This has been going on in a few scattered threads, but merits its own. Who should the #1 seeds be, how should they be paired with the #2 seeds?

Coming into this weekend it was generally accepted that there are 3 tiers of these teams:

1) Houston/UConn/Purdue
2) UNC/Tennessee/Arizona
3) ISU/Marquette

After yesterday, that is jumbled a bit. ISU is right there in that second tier and has an argument for a #1 seed. Within the first tier, we should be #1 overall, though the Big XII gaming the NET has somehow resulted in Houston having 16 Quad 1 wins (they gained 2 more without doing anything). Marquette is clearly last in the hierarchy, though I think should still be ahead of Baylor, Creighton, Duke, and even Illinois if they win today.

I would have the S Curve as:

1. UConn
2. Houston
3. Purdue
4. UNC
5. ISU
6. Tennessee
7. Arizona
8. Marquette

Conference affiliation precludes a few matchups - UConn/Marquette and Houston/ISU are no good. Conventional wisdom is that the Committee will scrap the S Curve to put Arizona in the West no matter what, with the weakest #1 seed.

The leaves pairings of:

East: UConn/Tennessee
South: Houston/Marquette
Midwest: Purdue/ISU
West: UNC/Arizona

If they really want to stick to geography, they'd put Marquette with Purdue, Tennessee with Houston, and ISU with us. If ISU is #1 in the West, they may even put #5 overall UNC with us in the East. That would make an absolute mockery of the S Curve, but I wouldn't put it past this Committee.

Stepping back, it's amazing that we are in a position to debate this in the first place, and especially as the defending champs.

 

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I think we should get Tennessee , Arizona goes to the west with Houston, Marquette to the mid west and Iowa St with UNC.

 

[Palatine]

We'll get either Duke or North Carolina whoever get the worst seed in the south.

 

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We'll get either Duke or North Carolina whoever get the worst seed in the south.

Duke will prolly be placed in the East but looking at a 4 seed but will most likely get a 3 cause they are Duke. They have no shot at all at a 2

 

[navery12]

With the caveat that this is all with a cursory glance and I'll probably mess up something obvious my guess is this for the top 16

East: UConn (1) / Tennessee (7) / Baylor (9) / Wisconsin (16)
Midwest: Purdue (3) / Iowa State (5) / Creighton (10) / Kentucky (14)
South: Houston (2) / Marquette (8) / Duke (11) / Auburn (13)
West: UNC (4) / Arizona (6) / Illinois (12) / Kansas (15)

 

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They have Iowa St and Auburn in the East

 

[bendm]

If they really want to stick to geography, they'd put Marquette with Purdue, Tennessee with Houston, and ISU with us. If ISU is #1 in the West, they may even put #5 overall UNC with us in the East. That would make an absolute mockery of the S Curve, but I wouldn't put it past this Committee.

Agreed. ISU/UNC would be the strongest 2 seeds. No freaking way either should be paired with the 1 overall.

I think if Auburn wins sec they could be a 2 over Marquette.

Zona is the weakest 2 seed and should therefore be with us. Sticking Zona in the west is an unfair disadvantage to the fourth 1 seed.

 

[Tenspro2002]

With the caveat that this is all with a cursory glance and I'll probably mess up something obvious my guess is this for the top 16

East: UConn (1) / Tennessee (7) / Baylor (9) / Wisconsin (16)
Midwest: Purdue (3) / Iowa State (5) / Creighton (10) / Kentucky (14)
South: Houston (2) / Marquette (8) / Duke (11) / Auburn (13)
West: UNC (4) / Arizona (6) / Illinois (12) / Kansas (15)

This looks reasonable, though I feel like for ratings purposes they'll load up our bracket with UNC as our 2 and Kansas as our 4, with SDSU as the 5.

 

[Jimdish255]

Agreed. ISU is the strongest 2 seed. I might even put them as a 1 over UNC. No freaking way they should be paired with the 1 overall.

I think if Auburn wins sec they could be a 2 over Marquette.

Zona is the weakest 2 seed and should therefore be with us. Sticking Zona in the west is an unfair disadvantage to the fourth 1 seed.

Zona should not get UNC. But watch the Committee do it's "magic" and the media drool all over them. I think Iowa State is better than UNC right now based on the ACC in general.

 

[bendm]

With the caveat that this is all with a cursory glance and I'll probably mess up something obvious my guess is this for the top 16

East: UConn (1) / Tennessee (7) / Baylor (9) / Wisconsin (16)
Midwest: Purdue (3) / Iowa State (5) / Creighton (10) / Kentucky (14)
South: Houston (2) / Marquette (8) / Duke (11) / Auburn (13)
West: UNC (4) / Arizona (6) / Illinois (12) / Kansas (15)

Auburn as a 4 even if they win sec today? God I hope they’re not slotted in our region. I’d put them as the last 2 over Marquette.

 

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And we get Florida in this scenario

 

[navery12]

Auburn as a 4 even if they win sec today? God I hope they’re not slotted in our region. I’d put them as the last 2 over Marquette.

Could convince me to flip them and Illinois depending on those results today. Depends if the committee prefers Auburn's predictive metrics or resume metrics

 

[tzznandrew]

If they really want to stick to geography, they'd put Marquette with Purdue, Tennessee with Houston, and ISU with us. If ISU is #1 in the West, they may even put #5 overall UNC with us in the East. That would make an absolute mockery of the S Curve, but I wouldn't put it past this Committee.

Overall 1 can't get best 2 seed.

 

[tzznandrew]

With the caveat that this is all with a cursory glance and I'll probably mess up something obvious my guess is this for the top 16

East: UConn (1) / Tennessee (7) / Baylor (9) / Wisconsin (16)
Midwest: Purdue (3) / Iowa State (5) / Creighton (10) / Kentucky (14)
South: Houston (2) / Marquette (8) / Duke (11) / Auburn (13)
West: UNC (4) / Arizona (6) / Illinois (12) / Kansas (15)

Wisconsin blows. Please give us this bracket.

 

[Palatine]

Duke will prolly be placed in the East but looking at a 4 seed but will most likely get a 3 cause they are Duke. They have no shot at all at a 2

Duke is Kenpom #8 and UNC is Kenpom #9

 

[bendm]

Duke is Kenpom #8 and UNC is Kenpom #9

What’s your point? Auburn is kenpom #4 but they aren’t getting a 1 seed

 

[Jimdish255]

Never happen but I'd prefer this:

EAST: UConn, Tennessee, Duke, Wisconsin
SOUTH: Houston, UNC, Baylor, Auburn
MIDWEST: Purdue, Marquette, Illinois, Kentucky
WEST: Iowa State, Arizona, Creighton, Kansas

The West just seems like a jumble right now due to lack of an outstanding regional team. I feel like they'll keep UNC on the 1 line West to rep the ACC rather than boost 2 from the Big 12 as 1 seeds. That probably pushes Iowa State to the 2 line Midwest and could move 2 Marquette below Houston in the South where they still have a shot to go through.

 

[bendm]

If Auburn win today I Dont understand why they’re a projected 4 seed when theyre #4 overall in kenpom and should be closer to a 2 seed. Certainly more deserving of a 3 seed over the likes of Baylor and Duke

 

[Jimdish255]

If Auburn win today I Dont understand why they’re a projected 4 seed when theyre #4 overall in kenpom and should be closer to a 2 seed. Certainly more deserving of a 3 seed over the likes of Baylor and Duke

Agree they should be above Duke. I should have seen that but I would prefer an overrated Duke as 3 in the East than Auburn.

 

[uconngb]

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They have Iowa St and Auburn in the East

That’s a tough bracket but theoretically we’d only have to play one of them. But I don’t get how we end up w the best #2…..I thought there was an S curve

 

[bendm]

Agree they should be above Duke. I should have seen that but I would prefer an overrated Duke as 3 in the East than Auburn.

Agreed and id rather have the best 3 in our region than the best 4. the 2v3 can beat each other up we just have to play the winner

 

[HeGotGame]

East: UConn / UNC / Baylor / Kansas
Midwest: Purdue / Marquette/ Duke / Auburn
South: Houston / Tenn / Creighton / Alabama
West: Iowa St / Arizona / Illinois / Kentucky

 

[bendm]

East: UConn / UNC / Baylor / Kansas
Midwest: Purdue / Marquette/ Duke / Auburn
South: Houston / Tenn / Creighton / Alabama
West: Iowa St / Arizona / Illinois / Kentucky

So We get the best 2 seed by far because ratings? Swap UNC with Tenn and I’ll live with it.

I just don’t want UNC/ISU as our 2 or Auburn/UK as our 4. Don’t care who the 3 is.

 

[HeGotGame]

So We get the best 2 seed by far because ratings? Swap UNC with Tenn and I’ll live with it.

I just don’t want UNC/ISU as our 2 or Auburn/UK as our 4. Don’t care who the 3 is.

Under the premise that UNC is a 2 seed, the only way we avoid them is if we are the #1 overall and they #5 on the S Curve. I am not certain of both things being true.

"The committee may relax the principle of keeping teams as close to their area of natural interest for seeding teams on the No. 2 line to avoid, for example, the overall No. 5 seed being sent to the same region as the overall No. 1 seed. The committee will not compromise the principle of keeping teams from the same conference in separate regions." - How the field of 68 DI men’s teams is picked for March Madness

 

[Jimdish255]

Do we play in Brooklyn on Friday?
6 Games 3 Sessions during the day.