“… I am DePaul now.”

[freescooter]

I think Holloway is good too. I just don’t think they have much upside. If you are a really good player are you going to want to play in South Orange New Jersey? And from what I’ve read they aren’t exactly awash in NIL money. And They are like the #3-4 team in NJ which doesn’t help.

 

[UConnStats]

Holloway gets his teams to give max effort on the defensive end which is a big part of college coaching, but he is consistently among the worst when it comes to shot making. Those eFG% and TO% columns are consistently and remarkably bad. He’s a flat out bad offensive coach IMO. He needs someone to help him learn on that end, or it will not end well for him there. I’m not sure if it’s his fault or not, but he’s been absolutely awful on the recruiting trail his entire tenure too.

 

[gsmooth]

Holloway gets his teams to give max effort on the defensive end which is a big part of college coaching, but he is consistently among the worst when it comes to shot making. Those eFG% and TO% columns are consistently and remarkably bad. He’s a flat out bad offensive coach IMO. He needs someone to help him learn on that end, or it will not end well for him there. I’m not sure if it’s his fault or not, but he’s been absolutely awful on the recruiting trail his entire tenure too. View attachment 104776

Where did you pull this data off of? Is this KenPom or some other site?

 

[auror]

Where did you pull this data off of? Is this KenPom or some other site?

That's KenPom on the subscription page.

Can find similar on Torvik for free

T-Rank History for Shaheen Holloway - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.

barttorvik.com

 

[NJHusky]

I do think Holloway is a good coach and the team will be better by the end of the season. Still, it's definitely been a "yikes" start for them.

Do we even want that? With their OOC record dont we want them and Nova to be battling for last place?

 

[CL82]

Do we even want that? With their OOC record dont we want them and Nova to be battling for last place?

That's a fair point. Still, I do think that Holloway is a decent coach, and his teams tend to improve over the course of a season.

 

[gsmooth]

Do we even want that? With their OOC record dont we want them and Nova to be battling for last place?

That's a really good question. I thought Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall should have made the NCAAT last season, but I don't think it was a complete outrage they were left off. Although there is gaming of the rankings systems and I do think the ranking criteria needs to be adjusted so this gaming doesn't occur as much. St. John's had some bad OOC losses such as getting blown out by Michigan by 16 pts and losing to Boston College. This invariably hurts BE teams that lose to St. John's. Villanova had some good OOC wins with some bad OOC losses and they beat Providence twice handily. I am sure that hurt Providence big time, too.

Last but not least, Creighton, who finished 2nd in the Big East, got blown out by Colorado St. who finished 7th in the MWC and against UNLV who finished 4th in the MWC but missed the NCAAT. Those hurt the Big East a ton. The MWC got 6 teams in the NCAAT. In essence, with Creighton being in 2nd place in the Big East, it made the Big East look inferior to the MWC. The many ranking systems had the BE higher than the MWC, but let's face it, the NCAA committee uses a lot of subjectivity, too, and those OOC losses for the Big East certainly did not help.

 

[GoConn]

Hot Ba**s is a degenerate whose stain can be seen across the entire athletic department. That X Space he held w DB had to be the lowest moment on a platform thats had its share of lows.

what happened on the spaces?

 

[FairwayFlyer]

what happened on the spaces?

He had DB on a space last year around all the Big 12 talk, and he wouldn't let Dave speak. This was at a time when people were desperate to hear from the AD. Instead of using the platform to let Dave speak and answer questions, he made it all about himself. He was going on and on yelling and cursing like a sailor and acting like a drunk college kid. It was peak second hand embarrassment.

 

[freescooter]

That's a really good question. I thought Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall should have made the NCAAT last season, but I don't think it was a complete outrage they were left off. Although there is gaming of the rankings systems and I do think the ranking criteria needs to be adjusted so this gaming doesn't occur as much. St. John's had some bad OOC losses such as getting blown out by Michigan by 16 pts and losing to Boston College. This invariably hurts BE teams that lose to St. John's. Villanova had some good OOC wins with some bad OOC losses and they beat Providence twice handily. I am sure that hurt Providence big time, too.

Last but not least, Creighton, who finished 2nd in the Big East, got blown out by Colorado St. who finished 7th in the MWC and against UNLV who finished 4th in the MWC but missed the NCAAT. Those hurt the Big East a ton. The MWC got 6 teams in the NCAAT. In essence, with Creighton being in 2nd place in the Big East, it made the Big East look inferior to the MWC. The many ranking systems had the BE higher than the MWC, but let's face it, the NCAA committee uses a lot of subjectivity, too, and those OOC losses for the Big East certainly did not help.

Exactly. One problem with the NEWBE is there really isn’t a #2 that anyone knows or cares about even if they are good. And in their hearts most fans know this. It is why you read stuff like a good Georgetown is good for the Big East. Because deep down they know that Creighton doesn’t move the needle. Marquette doesn’t move the needle.

FWIW I thought Seton Hall was more deserving of a bid than either St John’s or Providence. The Johnnies were lousy. Then they had a stretch of wins that consisted of 5 games with Georgetown x2, Butler, DePaul and they upset Creighton the week after the Jays beat UConn. They were still hung over! LOL. PC just wasn’t that good.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I guess congratulations are in order for DePaul.

Better for DePaul they’re finally winning some games, but their schedule has been Charmin soft. Mr Whipple would be pleased, but it remains soft until early December against Texas Tech or Providence.

 

[GoConn]

He had DB on a space last year around all the Big 12 talk, and he wouldn't let Dave speak. This was at a time when people were desperate to hear from the AD. Instead of using the platform to let Dave speak and answer questions, he made it all about himself. He was going on and on yelling and cursing like a sailor and acting like a drunk college kid. It was peak second hand embarrassment.

Yeah thats lame lol

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Don’t look now, but Villanova has a competitor for the new DePaul gig. Yes, it’s the mighty Pirates of Seton Hall! They have had back to back impressive performances losing to mighty Fordham them following that up by falling to the 112th ranked Hofstra Pride. For all you NEWBE fanboys, there are still tickets available for the big matchup between these two cupcakes on December 17. Loser gets to wear DePaul uniforms for the remainder of the season! Don’t miss it!

Put your nose back to the grindstone, and finish that list of 40 more coaches who could do what Hurley had done up through mid-January 2023. You only offered 10. And update the parameters to what Huey has done up to now.

OT: - Mike Brey to Retire

IMO, one of the more likable coaches:

the-boneyard.com