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Very true, and they come from the wealthiest neighborhoods.

Long term it would be extremely beneficial to the school on a number of levels. Unfortunately we are not in a position to pursue it at the moment outside of private funding covering the entire cost.
Spoke with a couple of coaches at FF county schools. They both said "The best athletes in our school play lacrosse." That was over 5 years ago. Probably more so now.
 
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do prep school kids go to UConn now? They didn't when I was there.
 

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Spoke with a couple of coaches at FF county schools. They both said "The best athletes in our school play lacrosse." That was over 5 years ago. Probably more so now.
I had a conversation with Hathaway ~2005 about this, he seemed very disinterested. At that time it would have been feasible to pull it off, it would have made us far more relevant not only in Fairfield county but also Westchester and Long Island, HS lacrosse hotbeds and wealthy NYC suburbs. We could have carved out a nice piece of the most lucrative market in the world if we approached it properly back then.
 
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Just returned from New Hampshire last week. Went to grandson’s lacrosse tournament. Must have been 1000 kids there. It was 14/under. Much more participation than the other twin’s baseball.
 
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I doubt we'll be adding any sports while still in the Big East
 
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The AD is already running a 50 mil deficit, is that really a good excuse?
That number included charges toward the Ollie decision. We just lost three sports and another became largely self-funded. The AD was charged with reducing the deficit, he is not going to be adding sports at this time. I would love for UConn to sponsor lacrosse. Perfect fit of school and talent in close proximity.
 
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Spoke with a couple of coaches at FF county schools. They both said "The best athletes in our school play lacrosse." That was over 5 years ago. Probably more so now.
You forgot to add for any kid whose parent drives a Range Rover and Tesla. I live in Fairfield County and the top Lacrosse athletes also star in soccer and football in the fall. Those same kids can’t scratch the surface in D1 for soccer and football, yet get recruited by Virginia and Duke for lacrosse. That says it all.
 
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Except, of course, we're not, but other than that, spot on.

(You are not wrong, though, that we are highly unlikely to add more sports in the near term.)
Except…we are
 

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Except…we are
Are we though? From whom have we borrowed money, in what amount and to whom is it owed?
 
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Why not, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Wyoming, Airforce, Northern Colorado, and Utah Valley are all in big 12 Wrestling.
 
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There's a national 4* lacrosse recruit living 10 minutes from Storrs, believe it or not.
Three of the top 17 girls ranked nationally all reside in Darien, including the number 1 girl in the country.
 
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Are we though? From whom have we borrowed money, in what amount and to whom is it owed?
Yup Big deficit. Subsidized by the state. From the state taxpayers. Owed by the state taxpayers. It’s not imaginary. It’s real.
 

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A couple reasons, title IX plays a major role as well.

1 - wrestling is nowhere near as important a sport in the northeast as it is in the rust belt (kind of important) or the plains states (exceptionally important). We have nowhere near the talent pool to draw from that we would need to be successful.

2 - there aren't enough schools in the general vicinity willing to field a D-1 program (we would have to participate at this level) to form a conference. Our schedule would be entirely non-conference matches, likely all requiring a good amount of travel.

When Central was a D-2 school their wrestling program was pretty solid (relative to other northeast D-2 schools) and they had quite a following on a section of NY state northwest of Albany (part of the rust belt) where they recruited pretty heavily from. The move to D-1 made it difficult to maintain the program, which sadly made it an easy choice to be a title IX cut.
 

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Yup Big deficit. Subsidized by the state. From the state taxpayers. Owed by the state taxpayers. It’s not imaginary. It’s real.
You understand that a deficit and debt is different, right? Because it doesn't seem like you do. You keep talking about money being "owed" apparently by "the taxpayers" based upon your quote above. To whom do you believe that the taxpayers owe this money, and in what amount?
 
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Yup Big deficit. Subsidized by the state. From the state taxpayers. Owed by the state taxpayers. It’s not imaginary. It’s real.
They are subsidized by intuitional support which can come from student university fees, out of state tuition waivers for athletes... Some states use lottery revenues. I could not find the sources for UConn's except for student fees which varies. Rutgers AD has debt. $265MM. They borrowed monies from The B1G...
 
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You understand that a deficit and debt is different, right? Because it doesn't seem like you do. You keep talking about money being "owed" apparently by "the taxpayers" based upon your quote above. To whom do you believe that the taxpayers owe this money, and in what amount?
It’s understanding of economics like this that got the US $31 trillion in debt. Have you ever considered writing an economics textbook?
 

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It’s understanding of economics like this that got the US $31 trillion in debt. Have you ever considered writing an economics textbook?
As, presumptively, a former writer you really should understand that "words mean things". Debt and deficit are different words with different meanings.

I noticed that you have been unable to explain to whom "the taxpayers" "owe" money. Instead you jumped to the US debt and attempted a backhanded ad personam attack rather than try to explain your position. Those are pretty clear indicators that you either don't understand the subject matter, or realize you've taken a position that isn't defensible. I can try to explain the difference to you, if you'd like, or maybe you just want to Google the words and read about it so that you will have a working understanding on a go forward basis?
 

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They are subsidized by intuitional support which can come from student university fees, out of state tuition waivers for athletes... Some states use lottery revenues. I could not find the sources for UConn's except for student fees which varies. Rutgers AD has debt. $265MM. They borrowed monies from The B1G...
Yep, the university athletic department has not earned more than its accounting expenses. That doesn't mean that they had to borrow money for the difference.

Rutgers, on the other hand, has a very substantial debt as you noted. They borrowed money that will need to be repaid. We did not.
 
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Three of the top 17 girls ranked nationally all reside in Darien, including the number 1 girl in the country.

Also the #1 ranked boys player nationally is in Cheshire and committed to Notre Dame.

 

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Also the #1 ranked boys player nationally is in Cheshire and committed to Notre Dame.

I want to like this because the number one ranked player nationally is from Cheshire, but couldn't bring myself to do it because he committed to Notre Dame. As happened with basketball, I hope we will eventually get to a point where we can keep home the best Connecticut kids.
 
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Yep, the university athletic department has not earned more than its accounting expenses. That doesn't mean that they had to borrow money for the difference.

Rutgers, on the other hand, has a very substantial debt as you noted. They borrowed money that will need to be repaid. We did not.
Toscano mentioned things will need to be clarified like monies going to CRDA for using the Rent, its parking, concession revenues and the XL. It's confusing the narrative., Also, some ADs' budgets contain costs for facilities maintenance, others do not.
 

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Toscano mentioned things will need to be clarified like monies going to CRDA for using the Rent, its parking, concession revenues and the XL. It's confusing the narrative., Also, some ADs' budgets contain costs for facilities maintenance, others do not.
A different but related issue is that having a quasi-public entity which owns two of our major venues means that we are paying above the going rate for the use of those facilities, plus, as you pointed out, we don't realize concession and parking revenues at those venues. The end result of that is that a portion of the CDRA's annual losses are being shifted from being reported on their balance sheet to the athletic department. On an accounting basis it makes them look less inept and generates a significant portion of the accounting loss that some people confuse with debt.
 

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