Transfer portal getting nuts

[willie99]

A mid major last won a title in 2003

Before that was 1962

 

[speckle]

Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.

The new NCAA proposal is to allow unlimited transfers to those in "good academic standing". Some ambiguity is built in as usual.

Folks need to relax on the new system. It's a new paradigm, and cannot be reconciled with NCAA noncompensated labor of the past. 98% of these guys are not going pro, and are financially better off maximizing their earnings potential now. These guys have agents now and Hurley's own agent told him not to publicly deny the Kentucky job! Extra covid years are throwing a wrench into things, players, coaches, programs and boosters having little experience in a new, less than transparent process are throwing a wrench into things. The market will work itself out in a few years, not without some heartbreak and idiocy, but I'm happy these guys can finally make a few bucks and have some agency in their pursuits. As for losing fans, that's naga, naga, not gonna happen. Content consumption increases every year and while fan behavior and content delivery may change, media value is increasing proportionally (except for NASCAR lol)

 

[John]

The new NCAA proposal is to allow unlimited transfers to those in "good academic standing". Some ambiguity is built in as usual.

Folks need to relax on the new system. It's a new paradigm, and cannot be reconciled with NCAA noncompensated labor of the past. 98% of these guys are not going pro, and are financially better off maximizing their earnings potential now. These guys have agents now and Hurley's own agent told him not to publicly deny the Kentucky job! Extra covid years are throwing a wrench into things, players, coaches, programs and boosters having little experience in a new, less than transparent process are throwing a wrench into things. The market will work itself out in a few years, not without some heartbreak and idiocy, but I'm happy these guys can finally make a few bucks and have some agency in their pursuits. As for losing fans, that's naga, naga, not gonna happen. Content consumption increases every year and while fan behavior and content delivery may change, media value is increasing proportionally (except for NASCAR lol)

Yeah that's great but what about being afforded real economic opportunity by getting a college degree?

 

[speckle]

Yeah that's great but what about being afforded real economic opportunity by getting a college degree?

So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.

 

[John]

So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.

You're one of those people who's focusing on shiny trinkets rather than the real goal of college athletic scholarships.

 

[upstater]

This is the next obvious step in “college” athletics.

Athletes will be allowed to play without taking classes. Their degree program will be them participating in whatever sport they play.

The way things are accelerating I give it three years at best before all remaining remnants of the college athletic model as we knew it disappears completely.

Enjoy these past two years because what we love about college basketball, and UConn basketball, will not exist.

You can't have a degree program though without a field, and there is no field in sports currently, and none will pop up overnight. You'll actually need some body of work, whether in books, exercise, training, something, anything, that would constitute a field. And the person offering these classes would have to have a degree in an adjacent field, or none of it happens at all. In other words, they can't give out degrees if there isn't a person with a degree to give them out. So, someone in an adjacent field would have to create an interdisciplinary program. I can only think of the literature of sports, or something to do with exercise science, the history of sports, sports and sociology, sports administration, these kind of things.

When it comes to imagining playing a sport, though, I'm stumped in trying to find an adjacent field. What would it be? Maybe something like Dance & Sport? But dance requires all sorts of study which just recreates the same problem I'm mentioning above.

 

[upstater]

Would love to know how this all works with academic credits transferring. Assuming kids that transfer multiple times are probably not graduating.

100% correct, it's not happening unless they already have a degree and come in as grad students.

 

[upstater]

So you would inhibit athletes from transferring based on motivation? No one's talking about reducing the abilities of nonathletes to transfer for any reason whatsoever. Seems extremely prejudicial.

People are contorting themselves all over the place because change is difficult, but inevitable.

People dissuade and inhibit regular students from transferring all the time. For one, credits infrequently transfer over, which is a form of inhibiting them, and two, the cost and extra classes creates a setback for them.

The only difference is when a regular student is a freshman, and in that case, they will probably only lose a semester by transferring.

 

[upstater]

You don't want the kids in college. It's still extremely important for the overwhelming majority of players to get their degrees.

That was never happening before, but the national degree rate for all students is around 60% anyway. If you're transferring beyond your freshman year, I'm assuming you're almost certainly not going to get a degree. Your eligibility will run out long before you get one. So will your funding. It is less likely that you get your degree than it used to be. And the high schools and colleges don't make it any easier.

 

[MuchoDogYears]

You can't have a degree program though without a field, and there is no field in sports currently, and none will pop up overnight. You'll actually need some body of work, whether in books, exercise, training, something, anything, that would constitute a field. And the person offering these classes would have to have a degree in an adjacent field, or none of it happens at all. In other words, they can't give out degrees if there isn't a person with a degree to give them out. So, someone in an adjacent field would have to create an interdisciplinary program. I can only think of the literature of sports, or something to do with exercise science, the history of sports, sports and sociology, sports administration, these kind of things.

When it comes to imagining playing a sport, though, I'm stumped in trying to find an adjacent field. What would it be? Maybe something like Dance & Sport? But dance requires all sorts of study which just recreates the same problem I'm mentioning above.

Ok then they won’t be enrolled students. They’ll be university employees. However it’s done, it won’t involve taking classes.

 

[MuchoDogYears]

Ok then they won’t be enrolled students. They’ll be university employees. However it’s done, it won’t involve taking classes.

And for those forward-looking types…in a few years when the transition is made to athletes being University employees instead of enrolled students there’ll no longer be a limit on how many years an employee can play on a university team.

The only league that’ll be left standing, unscathed, at the end of the college sport apocalypse will be the Ivy League. The conference whom started the whole notion of college sports in the first place.

 

[Waquoit]

A mid major last won a title in 2003

Before that was 1962

UNLV 90?

 

[upstater]

Ok then they won’t be enrolled students. They’ll be university employees. However it’s done, it won’t involve taking classes.

I mean, why not just make them team employees.

 

[LIuconn]

Oakland went 1-1 in the tournament. Not a run.
My point is a mid major program can't cultivate a team over the course of a couple years anymore. Their top players will get poached

 

[AdamaNation]

This isn't sustainable long term.

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I see it like kids going to community college to get a scholarship and credits to a bigger school. Pharmaceutical students and engineers do it but athletes can’t???

 

[MuchoDogYears]

Read this morning of a portal signing at Arkansas for 1.2M.

The player had put has name into the NBA draft but then decided to stay in college because the 1.2M he’s getting is double the NBA minimum.

Tipping point?

 

[Palatine]

Slightly off point but it applies.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

How about colleges offering students an athletic scholarship. That's right, a free ride to a college education - and you get to play on the school's team. What a novel concept.

 

[bendm]

Read this morning of a portal signing at Arkansas for 1.2M.

The player had put has name into the NBA draft but then decided to stay in college because the 1.2M he’s getting is double the NBA minimum.

Tipping point?

Must be johnnell Davis

 

[Huskyforlife]

Read this morning of a portal signing at Arkansas for 1.2M.

The player had put has name into the NBA draft but then decided to stay in college because the 1.2M he’s getting is double the NBA minimum.

Tipping point?

I think this is amazing for non NBA prospects. If you’re not worth 1.2 mil to the NBA, why shouldn’t someone in college be able to pay you it?

 

[FearThePups]

I think this is amazing for non NBA prospects. If you’re not worth 1.2 mil to the NBA, why shouldn’t someone in college be able to pay you it?

I don’t have a problem with college kids getting paid but there has to be a salary cap for each Division 1 program. Each school can elect to pay one guy it all and give the others nothing or divvy it up between the 13 man roster. If we want some sort of equality in the sport, the Uber rich schools shouldn’t hold all the cards. Even with a set salary cap compromise, many schools will not be able to compete for the best players, so there’s that.

 

[speckle]

I don’t have a problem with college kids getting paid but there has to be a salary cap for each Division 1 program. Each school can elect to pay one guy it all and give the others nothing or divvy it up between the 13 man roster. If we want some sort of equality in the sport, the Uber rich schools shouldn’t hold all the cards. Even with a set salary cap compromise, many schools will not be able to compete for the best players, so there’s that.

Every athlete already has an implicit earnings cap in their 4 years of eligibility. Schools, coaches, conferences, etc do not. Athletes literally just got a seat at the table that they themselves built. We shouldn't be looking for ways to reduce their compensation, but rather generate new revenue, such as direct fan support of athletes outside the perimeters of NIL.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

And for the record - I'm fine with it. Kids should get paid.

Yes. They should receive tuition, room and board. Worth over $200 plus k. Not a bad pay day.

 

[McLovin]

I think booster funded NIL super collectives that are overpaying for portal recruits will not be sustainable when these donors begin to realize they are getting a pretty poor ROI. Once the money stops flowing as freely, I think the transfer portal will cool off.

 

[AdamaNation]

A lot of these guys aren't going to get scholarship offers again. They're going to feel pretty silly.

No. But there is clearly a minor league and major league which stinks. When will UNC start financing NC A&T it Elon it High Point to prep players for the big show?