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1) Cincinnati is a better basketball team than UConn right now and deserved to win.

2) They also deserve to know that UConn did that with two starters tied behind its back. Make hay while the sun shines, kids, because next year will look a lot different for both programs.

3) For a guy who really hasn't won a blessed thing, Mick Cronin is pretty chippy.

4) Hiring Karl Hess to work a game where the conference finally has a decent slot on national television is something the dopey ass holes in the American offices need to be meeting about on Monday at 8 am.

5) I am agnostic on whether the conference should expand with Wichita State. Houston, Cincy and SMU are obviously on the right path to some extent and Tulsa and Temple are experiencing some short term issues, so I think they'll be okay. UCF is working. Tulane and USF are garbage and will be garbage. Bottom line - conference needs to get better. That starts with scheduling better. Also, the conference needs UConn to be the flagship so perhaps we should start on that next year.

6) Lots of bad happened this year and it's the worst year we've had since the 80's. I'd like to see a change on the staff. We have a relatively inexperienced head coach and a few pure neophytes at the end of the bench. I liked the addition of DK last year and think we are at least one move away from having the staff we need. Player development is not what it should be and this is not a sentimental business.

Kevin Ollie needs to be better during games - we had some off the wall rotations early in the year, but I guess that settled when he lost 40% of his starting lineup. His team needs to be better prepared to start games and halves and he needs to find a way to keep his team engaged. You cannot be successful giving up the number of runs they do. No more around.

7) Recruiting simply needs to improve. I think it's heading in the right direction, so I believe it will. We have guards for miles and miles. Adding Alterique next year will move Jalen off the ball and I think that will be like throwing gasoline on a fire - he's going to blow up. Vital was a steal, MAL is a future star, etc. Larrier, Jackson and Polley will be fine. Durham will be much better and he'll be a mismatch at times with his range.

But the rest of them. Enoch just isn't very good at this point and the guys coming in are all questions marks to some degree. I've pinned my hopes on some incremental improvement from Enoch and Carlton being better than advertised. Diarra and Cobb are muscle and hopefully add depth. But...going forward, we need to recruit better bigs. Projects and duct tape are not working all that well.

8) Players. The end of a senior year is like a clean slate. I no longer care about missed layups or rebounds or whatever else. Rodney, Amidah and Kentan always showed up for work, never did a blessed thing to embarrass the school and are about the nicest trio of graduates we've known. They genuinely love the school.

I like what we have coming back. I think next year is going to be a bumpy one if for no other reason than we're adding a ton of new pieces and the team will be very young. Back court is set, wings are set....just need the front court to surprise.

And I hate the American Conference for being so freaking stupid that they hired Karl Hess to officiate a tournament game in one of the few decent national television showcases they've had. Someone needs to be shot.
 
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Yes, next year looks very promising if the front court issues can be answered. Hpe Durham has a great summer of development.
 
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Agree, Aresco needs to be questioned by the media on this stupid referee selection move. This should be the last time Hess works an AAC game - period.
Also , the staff needs upgrading with a true Bigs Coach.
 
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One of the beat reporters tweeted that Tom Moore was in attendance today. They really need to make that reunion happen.

If not him someone. Fishy is on to something there and I just think it's hard for fans to admit that knowing the people who have those jobs.
 
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They were great Huskies and immense pieces of our history, but I have a hard time seeing what guys like Ricky Moore and Kevin Freeman add to our bench over experienced assistants who should be eager to join the staff of a supposed blue-blood program.
 
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Not sure why the player development comment was thrown in there. Jalen, Facey, Vital/Jackson (compared to early in the season) prove that the staff can develop players who have the ability to be developed in the first place. There's nothing that any staff could have done differently when it comes to Brimah and Purvis. Brimah is severely limited in most aspects of the game and Purvis is pretty much maxed out in terms of athletic ability. Both guys are also low basketball IQ players, which is something that happens on an instinctual level and can't really be taught. Aside from those 2 guys, pretty much everyone else who's played major minutes under KO has shown marked year to year (and sometimes same season) improvement.


Honestly I think what you really meant was that the staff haven't done a great job of targeting and recruiting any ready to play bigs.
 
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They were great Huskies and immense pieces of our history, but I have a hard time seeing what guys like Ricky Moore and Kevin Freeman add to our bench over experienced assistants who should be eager to join the staff of a supposed blue-blood program.
How are there still folks who have no clue that a Director of Basketball Operations is not a coach?
 
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They were great Huskies and immense pieces of our history, but I have a hard time seeing what guys like Ricky Moore and Kevin Freeman add to our bench over experienced assistants who should be eager to join the staff of a supposed blue-blood program.
Ricky was the lead recruiter for some of our best recruiting gets including Alterique, who's one of like a dozen McDonald's All-Americans we've ever landed. And Freeman is not a coach.
 

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Bottom line - conference needs to get better. That starts with scheduling better.

It needs to learn to do offense gooder.

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Durham has so much upside. He reminds me of Vin Baker.

and lets not forget how young Enoch is. He turns 20 in Sept, huge upside there as well but he needs to lose bad weight and get quicker.

Polley looks like a guy who will be able to rebound from day one.

Much to look forward to next year for Basketball and Football.
 
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1) I don't know if the problem is our big men or the stupid offense we run. We run almost all isolations with kick outs for 3's, and penetration always starts 25-30 feet from the basket. Over half the 3's are from passes around the perimeters turning into contested shots. How many times a game do you say "nice cut" with UConn? Me neither. There is a lot of standing around too. Most of the action, if it happens at all, is some form of a pick and roll. 3 guys standing around watching 2 players run a pick and roll is fine if you are the mid 90's Utah Jazz, but a college team has to have more movement. Cincinnati was running a lot of cross action yesterday, which forces the defenders to at least, you know, play defense.

I addition to creating more open shots, a more active offense creates more fouls and make help defense a split second slower, which is often the difference between an open and contested shot. UConn's best teams also ran a lot of the offense through the high post. I am a big fan of that setup.

2) It seems like we foul a lot on defense. I am not just talking about yesterday, but all year. I will not get too worked up about it because we were so young this year, but fouling is not defense.

3) George Blaney was as bad a game coach as I have ever seen on a major college sideline, but he was a wizard with the bigs and we really miss him. The frontcourt of Brimah and Facey should have been a lot better.

4) The officials were bad yesterday and were definitely a factor, but a Cincinnati team that shot 68% from the line during the season shoots 82% in the biggest game of their season. If Cincinnati only hits 2/3's of their free throws, we win that game. Nice work by Cincinnati.
 
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1) I don't know if the problem is our big men or the stupid offense we run. We run almost all isolations with kick outs for 3's, and penetration always starts 25-30 feet from the basket. Over half the 3's are from passes around the perimeters turning into contested shots. How many times a game do you say "nice cut" with UConn? Me neither. There is a lot of standing around too. Most of the action, if it happens at all, is some form of a pick and roll. 3 guys standing around watching 2 players run a pick and roll is fine if you are the mid 90's Utah Jazz, but a college team has to have more movement. Cincinnati was running a lot of cross action yesterday, which forces the defenders to at least, you know, play defense.

I addition to creating more open shots, a more active offense creates more fouls and make help defense a split second slower, which is often the difference between an open and contested shot. UConn's best teams also ran a lot of the offense through the high post. I am a big fan of that setup.

2) It seems like we foul a lot on defense. I am not just talking about yesterday, but all year. I will not get too worked up about it because we were so young this year, but fouling is not defense.

3) George Blaney was as bad a game coach as I have ever seen on a major college sideline, but he was a wizard with the bigs and we really miss him. The frontcourt of Brimah and Facey should have been a lot better.

4) The officials were bad yesterday and were definitely a factor, but a Cincinnati team that shot 68% from the line during the season shoots 82% in the biggest game of their season. If Cincinnati only hits 2/3's of their free throws, we win that game. Nice work by Cincinnati.

George was not a bad game coach. Cincy had a lot of practice at the line yesterday so they got in a good rhythm- the flip side is neither team got into a good offensive flow.
 

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Not sure why the player development comment was thrown in there. Jalen, Facey, Vital/Jackson (compared to early in the season) prove that the staff can develop players who have the ability to be developed in the first place. There's nothing that any 3staff could have done differently when it comes to Brimah and Purvis. Brimah is severely limited in most aspects of the game and Purvis is pretty much maxed out in terms of athletic ability. Both guys are also low basketball IQ players, which is something that happens on an instinctual level and can't really be taught. Aside from those 2 guys, pretty much everyone else who's played major minutes under KO has shown marked year to year (and sometimes same season) improvement.


Honestly I think what you really meant was that the staff haven't done a great job of targeting and recruiting any ready to play bigs.


Absolutely. We have to quit recruiting ghostly, stick figure bigs with zero chance of adding any real bulk to their frames. These guys all get tossed around like rag dolls by any team with one or more wide bodies down low. We need Okafors, or at least some Freeman/Selvie/White/Boone/Adrien/Okwandu types that can bang with the big boys underneath the basket. I'm tired of these 98 pound weaklings getting sand kicked in their faces at the beach, like in the old Charles Atlas cartoon ads.
 
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The problem................this program has been stagnant for 2 plus years. The only way UConn can survive life in the American is to dominate it in a way that Villanova is doing now in the Big East or Memphis did in Conference USA. We cannot afford another mediocre conference record. We need to own this league. We need to be the outlier. The solution is simple..................we need a new, experienced voice on the bench. KO is the perfect front man for this program. It is more than time to shake up the staff.
I am approaching next season with lukewarm optimism. First, we need a front court and I am still not sure we have one. I am hopeful one can develop. But none of this will matter if no changes are made in the off season. We have a large enough sample set to know that if this staff remains in tact, next year will be no different than the previous three.
 
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.... There is a lot of standing around too. Most of the action, if it happens at all, is some form of a pick and roll. 3 guys standing around watching 2 players run a pick and roll is fine if you are the mid 90's Utah Jazz, but a college team has to have......

Yes, I agree 100% on the movement issue. It is very One-dimensional. Unless ADams forces penetration into the lane and draws help, there is little happening. It's worse still because they start their offense so far away from the hoop and they often get stuck making long, flat passes around the horn giving defenders time to contest the pass and the shot. You see their offensive production stall in these sets, especially against a zone. In fairness to the staff, the bigs are so terrible there is no real post threat. They can't catch and when they do they travel or have the ball stripped,or have no strong move. Enoch may develop but he is a major project with zero court awareness.

Lots of problems that I still don't think KO and staff found any real sophisticated way to handle. Too much NBA penetrate and take or dish for my liking. In fact, when Jalen is out you see the offense really stagnate since the whole philosophy is dictated by this approach.

Next year KO needs to step up.
 
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So, can we win both the regular season and the conference tournament next year? Or are we still too hampered by sanctions and injuries?
 

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Offense hasn't been good but also Adams is the only one who can create anything. Alterique and larrier were the other two and they went down. Vital and Vance have very promising futures here. They showed tremendous improvement over the year. Next year hopefully with be addition by subtraction with brimah and purvis out( great kids but the team will improve).

I do believe that he wants to play like Shabazz boat Daniels and Giffey did in 14. A lot of ball screens and pick and pop players. Also having two pgs who can facilitate and score. He told don that is vision was having two pgs this year and roque going down really hurt.

Only thing we're missing are bigs who can board and outlet. We have shooters, We need bruisers and bullies. Kids who want to rebound and are competent around the rim. This years facey should be the bare minimum for freshman maybe sophomore. I think Enoch with be very good if he can get quicker feet, box out, and not foul.

Ollie has a done a terrific job considering everything that's happened since he got here. Moore and killings are doing great recruiting. Idk if miller needs to move to over see operations and Ollie can bring in someone to add some flare or creativity on the offensive end. I think Ollie will have what he wants next year
 

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The team needs confidence. Some arrogance, "swagger". Adams has shown it but it needs to be collective. They seem scared and don't come out hitting first
 

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