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1) No, it definitely is not how Ray played.
2) He was making a joke about how the video uses so much slow-motion.

Didn't know that on the slow motion. My point is Ray was never in a hurry to make a move or get to a point in the lane as he took his time methodically getting what he wanted quite often, and yes that is true!

As far as the slow motion I thought I saw this one already but it was a different one now I get it.
 
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Jackson's shooting ability will get him playing time anywhere, but I think it's worth mentioning that his lack of quickness as a 3/4 hybrid will probably put him at a defensive disadvantage at times.
 
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Maryland scares me the most as this kid seems to be a UA kid and Maryland is (seemingly) using its UA connection (and maybe money) to make a big recruiting impact.
Case in point, DS.

This is just one man's opinion based on what I see, read, and hear.
Maryland has any where from 3-5 scholarships available. They won't be able to get everybody, even if UA tries.
 
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For some reason this guy reminds me of scott hazelton. Not sure why and I'm sure he's better than scott turned out to be.
 
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Jackson's shooting ability will get him playing time anywhere, but I think it's worth mentioning that his lack of quickness as a 3/4 hybrid will probably put him at a defensive disadvantage at times.

He definitely has the size to play the 4, and he looks plenty quick enough to defend there.
 
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For some reason this guy reminds me of scott hazelton. Not sure why and I'm sure he's better than scott turned out to be.

I could see that although I doubt the outcome would be close, he seems longer and his ceiling higher.

I see a Preston Shumpert type there a little too - which is fine with me as long as he plays like that guy did against us!
 

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He definitely has the size to play the 4, and he looks plenty quick enough to defend there.
He meant he's slower than a lot of 3s, and not as strong as many 4s. It's just the downside to him being a decent athlete rather than a premium athlete, and being 6'8.

For example, Gary Clark would probably be a tough guy for him to guard.

He can absolutely fill it up from three though. Really want one of him or Powell.
 
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How do you think he compares to Roscoe as an athlete? I think some of us are concerned about his ability to play d. Roscoe didn't exactly embarrass himself on d. Nor did i think Roscoe was a premier athlete...but good for sure. Probably a bigger issue than his athletic ability is his desire to play d. Does he want to? That's probably a tougher question to answer.

On a side note, Roscoe is an absolutely great first name. Roscoe with a bandage under his eye was a good look.
 
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He meant he's slower than a lot of 3s, and not as strong as many 4s. It's just the downside to him being a decent athlete rather than a premium athlete, and being 6'8.

For example, Gary Clark would probably be a tough guy for him to guard.

He can absolutely fill it up from three though. Really want one of him or Powell.

If the 6-8, 220 listing is correct, I doubt he'd have much trouble with many big men. That video is more than a year old, and I think he's put on some weight since then, at least according to the Internetz.
 
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I view Powell as a luxury more than a necessity. 10 times out of 10, I would take Vance Jackson over him.
 

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If the 6-8, 220 listing is correct, I doubt he'd have much trouble with many big men. That video is more than a year old, and I think he's put on some weight since then, at least according to the Internetz.
Yeah that's a good point, because college PFs can definitely be even smaller than that, but if he plays soft and lacks plus athleticism, he could still be a poor defensive 4. It's all about match ups really. That's the only knock I have on him versus plenty of positives.
 
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Really nice ball skills. Kind of some point forward stuff going on there.
 

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I guess I'm spoiled by some awesome mixtapes (especially Jalen's), but I wasn't particularly impressed. He looks like a poor man's DHam. Not much in the way of ball-handling or passing (beyond a couple nice highlights) and a low release point on his shot.

That said, I've seen some great mixtapes for guys who didn't turn out so good, so I take them all with a grain of salt. Who's seen this kid play? Is he better than Bailey (putting aside the possible mission)?
 
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Here are his most recent highlights:

wow, well done again by dream vision's video guys. My hope is jackson sees his old teammate daniel doing well in storrs, and wants the same for himself... btw he looks pretty big those clips clear over 200+ and could be 6'8. ( listed 6'8 220 by 247). legit stretch 4 size even at the pro level.
 

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Really nice ball skills. Kind of some point forward stuff going on there.

Funny, I really thought the maker of that tape stretched far to include a lot of really pedestrian passes and moves (and it looked like he shuffled his feet a lot). There were two slow-mo highlights of a spin move and a no-look pass that you see 40-year-olds do at the Y every Saturday.
 
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Just some old articles and stuff on Jackson...

Four-star soph Vance Jackson takes trip to UConn (1/19/2014)
With Tyler Dorsey out for St. John Bosco (Calif.) on Saturday night, the Braves needed someone else to step up next to Daniel Hamilton on the offensive end.

Sophomore Vance Jackson had no issue being that guy, scoring 26 points and grabbing eight rebounds to help lead Bosco to a victory against St. Frances Academy (Md.).

Ranked No. 52 in the 247Sports Composite for the class of 2016, Jackson has several different ways to score. The 6-foot-7 wing has terrific range and consistency on his jumper, and creates problems for defenders due to his combination of size and shooting ability.

Immediately after the victory on Saturday, Jackson and teammate Daniel Hamilton left to drive down to Connecticut's game against Louisville. Hamilton is committed to the Huskies for next season, and they are also pursuing Jackson.

“Their tradition. Kevin Ollie,” Jackson said when asked what he likes about UConn. "I watch them play on TV as many times as I can."

FUTURE STAR: Vance Jackson (1/23/2014)
Jackson, a tremendously gifted 6-8 forward, performed very well at the esteemed City of Palms Classic in Fort Myers last month where THI was able to personally evaluate him over the course of several games.

The long-armed Jackson showcased high levels of versatility. He was a star from the three-point line, stroking shots from all around the arc. He was armed with a quick trigger, an exceptional step-back move and a high release point that was tough to defend. He also scored in the paint and rebounded at a high level.

His game, was remarkably similar to ex-UNC and current NBA forward Danny Green.

From the pure outside stroke to the efficient help-side defense and blocked shots. He did so many things well from so many spots on the floor.

The Rivals.com four star prospect has a goal to play the wing forward on the next level and he eyes Kevin Durant as one of his role models.

"I think I'm a small forward because of how I can handle the ball and shoot. I want to make sure that I'm not just working on my shooting though, I have to get better in all aspects of my game. I want to add some post moves to my game and I have been working on that a lot too," he said in an interview with TarHeelIllustrated.

His recruitment is already being played at a high level.

"UConn , Arizona, USC, Arizona State, UCLA, Washington, Kansas -- those schools have been coming hard. There are more and I know I am forgetting some right now.

The North Carolina staff is aware of Jackson and don't be surprised to see the UNC coaches dropping by to watch him play this spring and summer.

Jackson says that the doctors project him to grow to 6-10, as his growth plates are still open. The 16-year old is driven by the early attention and he wants to expand his game.

Pangos Takeout: Vance Jackson (6/3/2014)
Jackson does one thing very well and various other things reasonably well. His foundation has been and likely will remain a feathery jump shot. He possesses range to 24 feet and looks comfortable from the corner, uncommon even among pure shooters. He deftly finds room on the perimeter and buries shot after shot to stretch defenses.

Even if Jackson never develops into an athletic dynamo, he'll enjoy opportunities with major conference programs based solely on his shooting. But he also appears to have a nice understanding of halfcourt offense — to the extent it's possible or advisable to assess that trait in a camp setting — and is a solid handler and passer.

My primary question pertains to his ultimate position. He doesn't possess great lateral quickness and, at 6-7, has the height to become a stretch four-man. His frame is solid and if he adds enough muscle to it, he may have no choice but to make the transition into the post. And if that happens, he'll need to become more physical and aggressive as a rebounder and defender.

Fortunately for him, nearly all collegiate programs now will accommodate a stretch four. In the past that role loomed as an oddity and specialty category, but no more. Jackson's position looms significant in terms of how college coaches like to assemble a given recruiting class, but his effectiveness and ultimate projection should largely remain unchanged even if he can't stay on the wing.

By way of comparison, his development and trajectory appear similar to that of 2015 forward D.J. Hogg from a year ago, and Hogg himself — who straddles the wing/stretch line — appears to have at least an outside shot of becoming a prep All-American next spring.

Jackson Switches it up (4/5/2015)
In the past, the 6-foot-8 forward from Bellflower (Calif.) St. John Bosco has simply been content to keep letting shots fly from deep whether he was hitting or not. The No. 30 player in the junior class, Jackson wasn't one to scrap around the hoop. That was in the past, though, and it looks like he has turned over a new leaf.

Friday night, his shot wasn't really falling from deep so Jackson took his game inside, pounded the glass and made 15 trips to the free throw line during an impressive 25 point and 10 rebound performance in his Dream Vision team's come from behind win over Team Rose.

"I'm a known shooter so people are going to try and shut me down on that," Jackson said. "So I have to get to the rim if I'm missing my shots. It hurts us if I'm missing and keep shooting from deep so I have to get to the inside."

It doesn't hurt that Jackson is notably stronger thanks to maturity. He hasn't hit the weights yet, but once he starts doing so it should help with his explosion in traffic. It's not like he needs a lot of help, though.
 
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wow, well done again by dream vision's video guys. My hope is jackson sees his old teammate daniel doing well in storrs, and wants the same for himself... btw he looks pretty big those clips clear over 200+ and could be 6'8. ( listed 6'8 220 by 247). legit stretch 4 size even at the pro level.
He did mention that in a 12/2014 article on scout...

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1490681-four-recruiting-jackson-hardest

There are four schools currently doing the best job recruiting Jackson - “Cal, UConn, Arizona and USC are recruiting me the hardest,” he said - and the four-star prospect broke down what he likes about all of them.

California: “I like the coaching; it feels like home. I like coach Yanni (Hufnagel) and coach (Cuonzo) Martin. I like how they play; they’re up and down and shoot the ball a lot.”

UConn: “I like Kevin Ollie, I like how they play and their system. I played with Daniel (Hamilton) and he’s playing tremendously right now.”

Arizona: “I love the coaches. They tell me what to look for in their offense and I like watching them play.”

USC: “I like how they play; they’re up and down and really fast. I like coach (Andy) Enfield and coach (Jason) Hart. It’s close to home.”
 
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Vance Jackson Junior Primer (1/8/2015)

How he got here
For Vance Jackson, interest always appeared inevitable. Standing 6-7 and possessing a jump shot on a par with far shorter players, Jackson’s game began to blossom in 2013. That summer, his flashes of excellence drew offers from Arizona, Washington and Connecticut. Clearly, he’d made his name.

He proceeded into his sophomore season as one of the more ballyhooed Western prospects from the 2016 class.

He showcased his perimeter shooting ability at the Chicago Classic, where he helped lead Bellflower (Calif.) St. John Bosco to a resounding victory over Jahlil Okafor and Chicago’s Whitney Young.

In 2014, Jackson toured with Belmont Shore at key spring and summer events. He enjoyed multiple huge outings, knocking in 33 points at the Fab 48 as his club fell gamely to the powerful N.J. Playaz. Though Jackson’s game frequently slots into a narrower category than most players, he truly excels at what he does best — bury long jump shots.

His junior season has been highly impressive thus far. As our West Coast specialist Josh Gershon notes, Jackson has improved his body this year and become more mobile and diversified. Not that he lacked for attention previously, but in the past month he has said that California, Arizona, Connecticut and USC are his most ardent suitors.

To 2015. …
Jackson earned his No. 48 national ranking on the basis of his jump shot. He buries long bombs repeatedly and poses a constant threat to defenses. His stroke isn’t the quickest but is nearly flawless in form. We list him as a wing, but he’s certainly tall enough to be the four-man — or at least the second-tallest guy for his team — should the need arise.

He’ll create matchup problems either way. Jackson certainly prefers to face the basket from range, but he’s solidly built and already possesses a nice turnaround jumper as well. With his recent additions to strength and quickness, he’ll become all the more effective from the middle and close-range areas.

That said, he’s unlikely ever to score high marks for his athleticism. He’s plenty mobile, but Jackson doesn’t possess explosive leaping ability nor is he particularly gifted on a lateral basis. For that reason he may need to be a four against certain opponents, rather than a wing, and especially on defense.

Thinking long-term, professional scouts will want to observe him being more physical and able to get his shot against more persistent defense. If he were 6-10 that concern would be less daunting, but at 6-7 he needs to incorporate more action off the dribble and prove he can bury an unclean look. Thus, Gershon’s reviews from this season regarding his quickness sound highly encouraging.

For college, Jackson projects as a plug-and-play shooter. Everyone wants them and needs them, and frankly even if he doesn’t create for himself often, he’ll fill a critical need for whatever — likely Pac-12? — program he chooses. The balance issue looms as a more pressing factor when evaluating him for the professional ranks, but of course he has up to five and a half years to mold himself into a complete performer.
 
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^ wow that last article is extremely well written and concise . Some interesting points made on him getting bigger and mixing it up in the paint more. Surprised he didn't see a bump in the rankings after putting on muscle and diversifying his game last season. I think KO has a great relationship with jackson, as he has been recruiting him heavily since 2013.
 

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Yeah, I think he looks bigger. Except his ears.

I'd be very happy to land him.
 

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I guess I'm spoiled by some awesome mixtapes (especially Jalen's), but I wasn't particularly impressed. He looks like a poor man's DHam. Not much in the way of ball-handling or passing (beyond a couple nice highlights) and a low release point on his shot.

That said, I've seen some great mixtapes for guys who didn't turn out so good, so I take them all with a grain of salt. Who's seen this kid play? Is he better than Bailey (putting aside the possible mission)?

Regardless, Bailey cut us from his list and Jackson hasn't...
 
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Bailey and Jackson look like they have similar skillsets to me, Bailey was longer but neither are all that athletic. Both shooters, 3/4 hybrids in college who would probably be better served defensively at the 4, both still need work on their ball skills.
 

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I would like to get both Powell and Jackson. I think that Powell has got "it" and will be a really good college player. Jackson has nice touch on his shot (I too wish his release was higher) and he used his left hand a couple of times to score which was nice to see. He does not seem to be an explosive athlete/jumper as has been said, but it sounded like he has also shown improved quickness and more of a willingness to play inside at times.
 
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