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[noeynox]

I have to admit that ACC expansion idea sounds real interesting. They’d have to move quickly.

Which we know they never do.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The ACC expansion idea includes a serious obstacle, the GOR.

Would Clemson, FDU, etc sit quietly if new members to the conference weren't also tied to the same GOR that current ACC members are burdened with?

Would schools that believe (with at least a small amount of valid reasoning) they have a home waiting for them in the B1G at some point over the next half dozen years be willing to sign onto a GOR that still has a dozen years before light hits the end of the tunnel?

 

[CTBballfan243]

The ACC expansion idea includes a serious obstacle, the GOR.

Would Clemson, FDU, etc sit quietly if new members to the conference weren't also tied to the same GOR that current ACC members are burdened with?

Would schools that believe (with at least a small amount of valid reasoning) they have a home waiting for them in the B1G at some point over the next half dozen years be willing to sign onto a GOR that still has a dozen years before light hits the end of the tunnel?

My guess is that FSU and Clemson would sit quietly by until the new members are added and then claim that the terms in which they signed their GOR have substantially changed, thus voiding their GOR.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The ACC expansion idea includes a serious obstacle, the GOR.

Would Clemson, FDU, etc sit quietly if new members to the conference weren't also tied to the same GOR that current ACC members are burdened with?

Would schools that believe (with at least a small amount of valid reasoning) they have a home waiting for them in the B1G at some point over the next half dozen years be willing to sign onto a GOR that still has a dozen years before light hits the end of the tunnel?

Anybody who joins would need to sign the GOR. Expansion enables the ACC to renegotiate the deal. If it would be net additive per school, that would probably help solve some of the issues they've had.

The GOR is between the Schools and the Conference
The TV Contract is between the Conference and Media Partner (ESPN here).

So the ACC can absolutely work on a new TV deal while leaving the GOR in place. The league has to approve it of course, but "opening up" the ESPN contract doesn't give the schools an out from the GOR.

 

[metsfan2323]

Which we know they never do.

Unless ESPN prompts them to move. I still think/fear ESPN is behind the scenes pulling all of the strings or at least trying to.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The ACC expansion idea includes a serious obstacle, the GOR.

Would Clemson, FDU, etc sit quietly if new members to the conference weren't also tied to the same GOR that current ACC members are burdened with?

Would schools that believe (with at least a small amount of valid reasoning) they have a home waiting for them in the B1G at some point over the next half dozen years be willing to sign onto a GOR that still has a dozen years before light hits the end of the tunnel?

The GOR is to the conference. The 20 year TV contract is between the ACC and ESPN. While linked, those are two different things. From what we have heard, the GOR is probably run out to the termination of the ESPN contract. What we don't know is whether ESPN needs to approve any amendment to the GOR. They probably don't, but we don't know that for sure.

Would Clemson be willing to agree to a new arrangement that runs through 2030 if it gets them out of the GOR 6 years early? Probably.

It is also possible that ESPN would not be averse to amending its TV contract to add teams in the short term and shorten it in the long term. If ESPN is going to pursue a Netflix like model, they need to hold onto content. The problem ESPN has is that it doesn't know what its revenue is going to be in 5 years but it has 13 years left on its commitment to the ACC, which was based on a very different revenue model that probably won't exist at the end of that deal. Maybe ESPN would be willing to amend its TV contract in a way that works out for everyone.

 

[jostar1]

Send this to Yormark.

 

[CL82]

That being said we have no business throwing shade on anyone else’s football.

Can BC be an exception to that general rule?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The responses to my most recent post missed the central point (that a P-12/ACC merger would have obstacles they may not be able to overcome), that a merger wont happen quickly and can't happen easily.

The problem remains that the bulk of the ACC will hold on to the GOR as they realize once that is gone, their days as member of a power conference are over.

Yes, Clemson and FSU (although they may be overvaluing their ability to quickly land in the SEC or B1G) would want nothing more than to end the GOR. The Wakes, BC's, and likely another six to eight members realize that once the GOR ends, they'll be also rans, scraping for pennies to run an athletic program. The remaining schools, those who have some confidence that they will find a landing spot still would need to worry about the timing. Regardless, this will not be a quick and easy vote for the current ACC members and a number of details would need to be brought forward and vetted by attorneys to ensure that everyone understands what the ramifications of expansion would be.

Then there is the issue of who in the PAC would be unwilling to sign a GOR. The four schools with the best odds of landing in the B1G won't be very open to signing. I imagine their thinking about how to keep the PAC afloat until the B1G is ready to add them.

 

[superjohn]

100% agreement. Certain folks on the board are more prone to that than others.

I'm tempted to say Oregon State will probably go back to being bad, but HC Smith was a QB there and lead them to a Fiesta Bowl under Dennis Erickson in 2000. He just signed a new six year deal. So maybe he stays and makes them at least better than putrid?

Bill Snyder has forever altered my view on whether historically bad teams will remain historically bad.

I'm just a little tired of programs who have never won anything and have been historically bad being given the benefit of the doubt while UConn is held to some bizarre impossible standard nobody else is held to...

We get it, the school made terrible hires back to back to back but the idea UConn can't be good in the sport and no good coaches will ever want to go there are tiresome. UConn has a damn good coach right now, had some previous success before Randy snaked out of there and the school leadership was a mess. UConn wins championships all the time in basketball, brings a massive metro area and they've shown over and over they massively outperform everyone sports wise considering their resources due to conference realignment.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm just a little tired of programs who have never won anything and have been historically bad being given the benefit of the doubt while UConn is held to some bizarre impossible standard nobody else is held to...

We get it, the school made terrible hires back to back to back but the idea UConn can't be good in the sport and no good coaches will ever want to go there are tiresome. UConn has a damn good coach right now, had some previous success before Randy snaked out of there and the school leadership was a mess. UConn wins championships all the time in basketball, brings a massive metro area and they've shown over and over they massively outperform everyone sports wise considering their resources due to conference realignment.

I think Yormark agrees with you. Let’s see if he can convince them. The truth is that UConn has a ton of football upside. We are far more likely to become a good than Arizona, which has been lousy for ages. We don’t get enough credit for our modest success in what was a good Big East football conference.

 

[tzznandrew]

I think Yormark agrees with you. Let’s see if he can convince them. The truth is that UConn has a ton of football upside. We are far more likely to become a good than Arizona, which has been lousy for ages. We don’t get enough credit for our modest success in what was a good Big East football conference.

Fun fact: Arizona has finished ranked seven times in its entire football history. We're not talking about some powerhouse. Its football is marginally better than UConn and its basketball (MBB & WBB) is worse. It is at least a bigger market, though.

 

[superjohn]

Fun fact: Arizona has finished ranked seven times in its entire football history. We're not talking about some powerhouse. It's football is marginally better than UConn and its basketball (MBB & WBB) is worse. It is at least a bigger market, though.

It's a bigger market?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Fun fact: Arizona has finished ranked seven times in its entire football history. We're not talking about some powerhouse. It's football is marginally better than UConn and its basketball (MBB & WBB) is worse. It is at least a bigger market, though.

Yeah, that’s my point. They suck. Not sure why Tucson is a bigger market. ASU has a better market, and football team.

 

[ec33]

Fun fact: Arizona has finished ranked seven times in its entire football history. We're not talking about some powerhouse. It's football is marginally better than UConn and its basketball (MBB & WBB) is worse. It is at least a bigger market, though.

For all the talk of expanding to the East, I suspect the University presidents are more comfortable with extending their perimeter. Hence, Colorado (the worst PAC football team, but an old member that was good under one coach three decades ago) and perhaps Arizona (who as you say is far from a power).

 

[tzznandrew]

It's a bigger market?

I was counting the whole state. But yeah, you know what, **** 'em.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

In the age of streaming, size of markets is a far less important factor than it was a decade ago.

 

[Stinger92860]

It's a bigger market?

Phoenix is 2.1M homes and #11, Tucson is another 400K. CT is about 1.35 Million TV Homes, including Fairfield County.

 

[superjohn]

Phoenix is 2.1M homes and #11, Tucson is another 400K. CT is about 1.35 Million TV Homes, including Fairfield County.

University of Arizona is in Tucson. If they're claiming Phoenix then surely we can claim NYC and Boston.

 

[WestHartHusk]

University of Arizona is in Tucson. If they're claiming Phoenix then surely we can claim NYC and Boston.

Right? A city with a bigger school right on the middle of it (basically).

 

[amory]

Greeting big east conference mates after unsuccessfully courting yet another P5 bid

 

[tzznandrew]

For all the talk of expanding to the East, I suspect the University presidents are more comfortable with extending their perimeter. Hence, Colorado (the worst PAC football team, but an old member that was good under one coach three decades ago) and perhaps Arizona (who as you say is far from a power).

Arizona is additive—as is Colorado—in a way I don't think Utah is. I think UConn and Arizona State (even with Arizona) is also additive. In UConn's case, in part because Cincy, West Virginia, and UCF are already far outside the perimeter, but also in part because of access to NYC.

 

[tzznandrew]

University of Arizona is in Tucson. If they're claiming Phoenix then surely we can claim NYC and Boston.

To be fair, in the northeast there are far more schools per capita. UConn and Arizona get the "state pride" bump for non graduates in-state, but a greater percentage of college graduates in Phoenix would have gone to Arizona and Arizona State than is the case for UConn in either Boston or New York.

But... **** em.

 

[JMick]

I'm just a little tired of programs who have never won anything and have been historically bad being given the benefit of the doubt while UConn is held to some bizarre impossible standard nobody else is held to...

It's not even programs that have never won anything being given the benefit of the doubt. It's the media and fans of programs who have never won anything pretending they are somehow better than the "others" because they got dragged along into a club that they never earned admittance to.

 

[superjohn]

It's not even programs that have never won anything being given the benefit of the doubt. It's the media and fans of programs who have never won anything pretending they are somehow better than the "others" because they got dragged along into a club that they never earned admittance to.

My brother went to Vanderbilt, at least Vanderbilt fans know they suck and it's ridiculous they play in the SEC. Can't say the same for the fans and media people for these other schools.