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[sdhusky]

Are you and Nelson the same poster?

Nelson is famous for saying that Stanley Robinson didn't have BE calibre talent.

You are famous for saying that Byron Jones doesn't have "burst and athleticism"

Completely different.

 

[Dogged]

I can't believe we have to question whether or not a world record standing long jump and a Michael Jordan/David Thompson caliber vertical leap qualify for
burst and athleticism. And to blame it on spandex?

 

[mets1090]

No one has stated that Jones does not have burst and athleticism, other than the quote in the original post. All that has been said is that the scout based his opinion on what he saw on a football field when Jones was in full pads and not at a combine in spandex.

To assert that the argument here is about whether or not Jones is athletic as opposed to why it is possible a scout can be wrong or right is absurd and detracts from your own position.

On a side note, it is entirely possible to be able to jump 12 feet from a stand still and not be able to translate that into the necessary burst to keep up with NFL receivers and running backs.


(Edit: the response of "What is 'this'?" was vague, and baited this entire argument. However, it was clarified a couple of responses later and still people are harping on it)

 

[Bonehead]

Head Coach a Diaco called it at the beginning of the seasn:


"I think he (byron jones) will be one of the best players in the country," Huskies coach Bob Diaco said last summer. "Everyone will see it eventually when they put him in those compression shorts [at combines]. You will see a tall, long, lean and fast and explosive and athletic player. His numbers, with our developmental process, you are going to see at the end of the day one of the best tangibly gifted cornerback players in the country."

He is the best broad jumper...one of the best players in the country - no.

 

[mets1090]

He is the best broad jumper...one of the best players in the country - no.

I've always thought it was difficult to objectively measure how good a corner is when he isn't playing the same competition as everyone else. The combine has shown that Jones was probably one of the best tangibly gifted cornerbacks in the country though, which is all Diaco said.

 

[Confident Carl]

I've always thought it was difficult to objectively measure how good a corner is when he isn't playing the same competition as everyone else. The combine has shown that Jones was probably one of the best tangibly gifted cornerbacks in the country though, which is all Diaco said.

Stop with the inferior competition please. Jones would have been even better if the guys up front got to the quarterback more often. I maintain that if BJ was on a team like Alabama, Oregon or Ohio State he would have excelled even more.

 

[Bonehead]

The combine has shown that Jones was probably one of the best tangibly gifted cornerbacks in the country though, which is all Diaco said.

Thats not what Diaco said - that is what you said...

"I think he (byron jones) will be one of the best players in the country," Huskies coach Bob Diaco said last summer.

 

[Kgun7]

I think Byron will be successful in the league and in life. It's nice that we've taken a really good moment for a program in dire need of one and turned it in to a pissing contest. For the record, the picture below is not a move you see alot on NFL fields and might lend to the burst conversation.

Maybe not ... but this move sure is!

 

[Kgun7]

... and this one too!

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I can't believe we have to question whether or not a world record standing long jump and a Michael Jordan/David Thompson caliber vertical leap qualify for
burst and athleticism. And to blame it on spandex?

I can't believe you don't get the distinction.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Nelson is famous for saying that Stanley Robinson didn't have BE calibre talent.

You are famous for saying that Byron Jones doesn't have "burst and athleticism"

Completely different.

You're embarrassing yourself now.

 

[Dogged]

I can't believe you don't get the distinction.

You rarely post well here. Spandex won't improve your posting either.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You rarely post well here. Spandex won't improve your posting either.

OH SNAP!!!!!!! Good one!

 

[Srqhusky]

Actually burst and athleticism are poor words to describe Byron jones. How about superhuman and freakish

 

[uconnbill]

FWIW, it was a legit question. There is a difference between football burst and a broad jump performed in spandex. So I don't know if the scouts were necessarily wrong about their assessment yet. Renaldo Nehimiah was a world class sprinter but a lousy WR.

You just went straight to mode because that's what comes natural to you.

He showed he was a good player for the past three in a half years before he went down with an injury. Many had him rated fairly high pre 2014 season and I think this just tells them that his athletic ability is better than they thought.

He will play press corner or safety in the league

 

[whaler11]

Jones played really well in 2014. An easy choice as MVP before he got hurt.

The season spiraled out of control once he was out except for the day Adams had against UCF.

The Memphis game alone showed how much they missed him.

Pre-injury he was a high pick even before the combine.

 

[BlueMAB]

I still believe strongly it's not the negativity that keeps people away. It's the amount of posters who either intentionally, or ignorantly, misrepresent what someone else wrote, and then chide them for it.

A guy says that the athleticism shown in the combine may not translate to the field (and points out an example of where that has happened before) and is then mocked for saying the player isn't athletic.

Why would anyone want to join this band of misfits where they will routinely be ridiculed for things they didn't say if it so happens that a few people don't like him/her?

 

[whaler11]

I still believe strongly it's not the negativity that keeps people away. It's the amount of posters who either intentionally, or ignorantly, misrepresent what someone else wrote, and then chide them for it.

A guy says that the athleticism shown in the combine may not translate to the field (and points out an example of where that has happened before) and is then mocked for saying the player isn't athletic.

Why would anyone want to join this band of misfits where they will routinely be ridiculed for things they didn't say if it so happens that a few people don't like him/her?

5-7, 5-7, 3-9, 2-10 seems to keep people out of the stadium. Not sure why this would be any different.

 

[BlueMAB]

5-7, 5-7, 3-9, 2-10 seems to keep people out of the stadium. Not sure why this would be any different.

Yeah, you're right. I'm just saying, that behavior can't help.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

FWIW, it was a legit question. There is a difference between football burst and a broad jump performed in spandex. So I don't know if the scouts were necessarily wrong about their assessment yet. Renaldo Nehimiah was a world class sprinter but a lousy WR.

You just went straight to mode because that's what comes natural to you.

He had Roberto Duran's "Manos de Piedr."

 

[sdhusky]

I still believe strongly it's not the negativity that keeps people away. It's the amount of posters who either intentionally, or ignorantly, misrepresent what someone else wrote, and then chide them for it.

A guy says that the athleticism shown in the combine may not translate to the field (and points out an example of where that has happened before) and is then mocked for saying the player isn't athletic.

Why would anyone want to join this band of misfits where they will routinely be ridiculed for things they didn't say if it so happens that a few people don't like him/her?

That guy has publically stated he doesn't follow the program anymore.

But he still trolls the boneyard. Weird.

 

[BlueMAB]

That guy has publically stated he doesn't follow the program anymore.

But he still trolls the boneyard. Weird.

You've already accused him of saying something he didn't say in this thread, so why would this latest accusation be any different? I'm sure that you're taking him out of context.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

That guy has publically stated he doesn't follow the program anymore.

But he still trolls the boneyard. Weird.

I'd love to see that quote of mine. I'll be waiting.

 

[ZooCougar]

You've already accused him of saying something he didn't say in this thread, so why would this latest accusation be any different? I'm sure that you're taking him out of context.

Ahh you know SDHusky. Some of us exploit success, while he doubles down on failure. He supported Pasqualoni to the bitter end as well.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Threads like this remind me that using the Ignore button sparingly makes this forum so much more enjoyable.

Although it took me a while to figure out that I started reading this in mid-conversation.

 

[mets1090]

Thats not what Diaco said - that is what you said...

"I think he (byron jones) will be one of the best players in the country," Huskies coach Bob Diaco said last summer.

Whoops, somehow missed that part. My bad.

 

[mets1090]

Stop with the inferior competition please. Jones would have been even better if the guys up front got to the quarterback more often. I maintain that if BJ was on a team like Alabama, Oregon or Ohio State he would have excelled even more.

I didn't mean inferior competition, I meant different competition. To me it's easier to tell a skilled QB or RB regardless of who they are playing than it is a CB. I don't need to see Flacco play against the same defense as Rodgers to confidently say Rodgers is a better quarterback - it's just easier for me to evaluate their passing ability. But to compare a top 15 corner with a top 5 corner and realistically be able to tell the two apart, I would probably need to see them play against the same people and base it on results.

And my shortcomings as a talent evaluator aside, I think Jones would have done just fine playing any competition in the country.

 

[Husky25]

How will this combine help us win games next season?

To me, it's a continuation of the promise that that Coach Balis's methods in strength and conditioning had an effect in 2014 and will be amplified in 2015. It's ain't nuttin' concrete, but there is hope. And as Red's friend, Andy D. tells us, "In here is where [hope] makes the most sense."

 

[Confident Carl]

I didn't mean inferior competition, I meant different competition. To me it's easier to tell a skilled QB or RB regardless of who they are playing than it is a CB. I don't need to see Flacco play against the same defense as Rodgers to confidently say Rodgers is a better quarterback - it's just easier for me to evaluate their passing ability. But to compare a top 15 corner with a top 5 corner and realistically be able to tell the two apart, I would probably need to see them play against the same people and base it on results.

And my shortcomings as a talent evaluator aside, I think Jones would have done just fine playing any competition in the country.

Met's remember, football is a team sport where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Great players are made even greater with great players surrounding them. These coaches have eye for body types, hip movement, hands and burst (which has been used a number of times in this thread) They can teach guys a lot but in the end, they can't teach God given talent and size. NFL scouts are going to be very eager to see how fast and strong BJ is. Where he is selected in the NFL draft will be interesting to see. His draft position will tell us how much potential the NFL sees. Judging from his smarts and good guy reputation, I am thinking Byron Jones is going to be jumping all the way to the bank! Who knows, maybe they will be calling UCONN, Cornerback U!

 

[businesslawyer]

This thread may be a new low. Even for the Boneyard.

Congratulations to the young man for making himself some money this week.