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The Zion Williamson hype is off the charts. There are posts in this thread claiming that Zion is already better than Barkley (one of the Top 50 players of all time), while another poster claims that the Phoenix Suns will be "deadly" if they get Kemba Walker and Zion Williamson. The Phoenix freaking Suns. The hype from draft analysts is just as hyperbolic.

Whichever team wins the draft lottery should dangle the pick out and see what they can get. I think the draft pick for Zion Williamson could be worth more than the player himself will ever be worth.
 
The Zion Williamson hype is off the charts. There are posts in this thread claiming that Zion is already better than Barkley (one of the Top 50 players of all time), while another poster claims that the Phoenix Suns will be "deadly" if they get Kemba Walker and Zion Williamson. The Phoenix freaking Suns. The hype from draft analysts is just as hyperbolic.

Whichever team wins the draft lottery should dangle the pick out and see what they can get. I think the draft pick for Zion Williamson could be worth more than the player himself will ever be worth.
Ok so let me get this straight. Because theyre the Suns means that that starting 5 wont be deadly? Thats a joke right? Phoenix has talent, TJ Warren is highly underrated, he lacks on D but before he was out he was averaging 18 ppg. We all know what Booker can do, DeAndre Ayton is averaging a double double and will only get better. Maybe Zion wont be the best player in the draft, who knows, but he definitely wont be a bust and will instantly boost any team he goes to.
 
Espn can't stop pimping this guy. Sick of him now. Zions scouting report on the final four? Man what a stretch, who cares, talk more about ttech, auburn, Virginia and msu. Three of these teams are having very special seasons, enough about Zion.
 
Zion is combo of Vince Carter and Lebron.

At first I was going to say this is a terrible comparison but I think I agree as far as physically yes its pretty spot on. But in terms of the way he plays the game id have to say its a terrible comparison. Zion is far more Charles Barkley than Lebron never mind VC. I think Zion is going to be this generations Barkley 2.o Just a bit bigger and more athletic and his 3 point shot is coming along nicely.
 
At first I was going to say this is a terrible comparison but I think I agree as far as physically yes its pretty spot on. But in terms of the way he plays the game id have to say its a terrible comparison. Zion is far more Charles Barkley than Lebron never mind VC. I think Zion is going to be this generations Barkley 2.o Just a bit bigger and more athletic and his 3 point shot is coming along nicely.
That is the first line of a much longer post explaining why. It wasn't as simple as that one sentence. I don't really love the comparison myself but that's because there really has not been anyone quite like Zion to compare him too. He's got Vince's lift and explosion for sure.
 
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Player of the year
What a slap to the guys who played a full season
Ja Morant is my choice
But no way was anyone going to stand in the way of Zion
 
Kemba walker? Kemba walker!

I think that may be true even from an outsiders perspective. I’m sure you can say Anthony Davis or some others cause kemba was a late riser in the media gold area (BE tourney win against Pitt) but that run was truly heroic.

Zion has had a huge spotlight on him all year and continues to ring up highlight reel stuff against good teams. Hard to not want to watch him play for a NC.

I guess I’m a bit biased cause my wife went there, but I also feel like they get the best recruits anyway and it doesn’t do UConn any good to elevate another team. Regardless, I really want to watch him try to cap off this season. Can’t like ncaab and not want to watch him play.
Kemba walker? Kemba walker!

I think that may be true even from an outsiders perspective. I’m sure you can say Anthony Davis or some others cause kemba was a late riser in the media gold area (BE tourney win against Pitt) but that run was truly heroic.

Zion has had a huge spotlight on him all year and continues to ring up highlight reel stuff against good teams. Hard to not want to watch him play for a NC.

I guess I’m a bit biased cause my wife went there, but I also feel like they get the best recruits anyway and it doesn’t do UConn any good to elevate another team. Regardless, I really want to watch him try to cap off this season. Can’t like ncaab and not want to watch him play.


Good one! I’d say Rudy but that’s me. I was super hyped to see him on the floor as a Freshman and I don’t think he disappointed that year.
 
Ok so let me get this straight. Because theyre the Suns means that that starting 5 wont be deadly? Thats a joke right? Phoenix has talent, TJ Warren is highly underrated, he lacks on D but before he was out he was averaging 18 ppg. We all know what Booker can do, DeAndre Ayton is averaging a double double and will only get better. Maybe Zion wont be the best player in the draft, who knows, but he definitely wont be a bust and will instantly boost any team he goes to.

Let me make this clear: the Suns freaking suck and are one of the worst organizations in pro sports. They are terrible defensively and the fact that someone on this team scores points because everyone else sucks does not mean that they are a piece or two away from being competitive.
 
Zion gets a few cool highlight plays a game, but I think we need to tap the brakes with comparisons to the greatest players of all time.

The first warning sign is that Duke did not look dominant in the tournament. Duke has 3 players projected to be in the first 10 picks, and they were a couple of no calls on offensive fouls away from being knocked out the first weekend of the tournament. If Zion was truly a dominant player, he should be able to carry a team as good as Duke to the Final Four by himself.

His height is an issue, and he doesn't make up for it with wingspan. He is 6'7, and his wingspan is 6'10. Most PF's at the next level are 6'10 and 7'2. He is going to try and out-muscle opponents, but NBA 4's are pretty strong.

There only two prior examples that I can think of where an undersized PF became really successful in the NBA are Charles Barkley and Larry Johnson. Larry Johnson feels like the closer comparable to Zion. Johnson was a great athlete that was explosive and bigger players struggled to cover him. Johnson had an advantage over Zion in that there were still some big stiffs at the 4 back then which there aren't now. Johnson didn't get to the NBA until he was 22, but he only had about 5 years at the top before the wear and tear of the NBA caught up to him. Carrying that much weight, even if it is muscle, is a lot of strain on the joints and knees in particular. I feel like Larry Johnson is Williamson's upside.

Barkley was a once in a lifetime player. He was 6'6 and probably played at 250-260 most of his career. He was very skilled, and a very accruate shooter. There wasn't nearly as much 3 point shooting back then, but Barkley had a good mid-range game. He also averaged over 4 apg most of his career. Williamson has a long way to go to be Barkley.

And there it is.
 
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The kid is not going to play a full or even 3/4 season
He will be hurt every year
His body is not made for the physicality and the rigors
My guess is that being a big guy all along he never warmed up properly when younger - a normal habit - and is now feeling the affects.
He is a talent - no doubt about it - but he'll be one of those whose injuries may hinder expectations
just an opinion
 
So he isn't injured. Good to know.

Sure, that was 1 of like 6 things throughout this thread you said would go wrong or being insufficient in his game and career. The other 5 have not borne out and the injury isn't major. They're being abundantly cautious to prevent the things you are worried about from transpiring to his career.

Meanwhile on the court, he's been the best rookie in a pre-season... ever? It's certainly arguable. The last rookie to average as many points is David Robinson, who was 24 at the time. Not just rookies, but no other player has ever averaged 20+ points on 70+% shooting in the pre-season since they started keeping pre-season stats.
 
Sure, that was 1 of like 6 things throughout this thread you said would go wrong or being insufficient in his game and career. The other 5 have not borne out and the injury isn't major. They're being abundantly cautious to prevent the things you are worried about from transpiring to his career.

Meanwhile on the court, he's been the best rookie in a pre-season... ever? It's certainly arguable. The last rookie to average as many points is David Robinson, who was 24 at the time. Not just rookies, but no other player has ever averaged 20+ points on 70+% shooting in the pre-season since they started keeping pre-season stats.

Zion is the best rookie of all time because of a few pre season games? Right. He's not overhyped (sarcasm intended).
 
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Zion is the best rookie of all time because of a few pre season games? Right. He's not overhyped (sarcasm intended).

I stand by what I said (which is coincidentally, sarcasm intended, not what you said I said). It's arguable he played the best in the pre-season of any rookie ever.
 
Zion is the best rookie of all time because of a few pre season games? Right. He's not overhyped (sarcasm intended).
OP said that Zion has had the best pre-season for a rookie, ever - and that's a 100% true statement. It's undeniable how ridiculously good and efficient Zion has been in the handful of games he's played. The consensus #1 pick has overperformed even high expectations, I don't know why anyone is getting worked up over the fact that he's receiving a lot of hype as a result.

Semi-related: I hate Duke & Coach K as much as anyone, but I've found the distaste I used to have for Duke players isn't as strong as it used to be. I think its a byproduct of the 1-and-done era - its just hard to build a strong association between a player and their school when they spend only 6 or 7 months in the national spotlight. When a guy like Reddick or Battier spends 3 or 4 years you can really work up a good hatred. Hard for me to get riled up about Zion or Tatum the same way.
 
Zion is the best rookie of all time because of a few pre season games? Right. He's not overhyped (sarcasm intended).
What a strange victory dance. He may never be healthy but he's a monster of a player.
 
The kid is not going to play a full or even 3/4 season
He will be hurt every year
His body is not made for the physicality and the rigors
My guess is that being a big guy all along he never warmed up properly when younger - a normal habit - and is now feeling the affects.
He is a talent - no doubt about it - but he'll be one of those whose injuries may hinder expectations
just an opinion
I think there is some truth to this. He has just been so superior athletically at every level so far in his career. That won’t be the case in the NBA. He’s not gonna be able to just bully his way into the lane like he did in college.....and I do think he has a high risk of being injury prone. Although I would never hope for anyone to be injured, not even a Dookie.

Well, maybe Paulus. He was just so annoying.
 
The kid is not going to play a full or even 3/4 season
He will be hurt every year
His body is not made for the physicality and the rigors
My guess is that being a big guy all along he never warmed up properly when younger - a normal habit - and is now feeling the affects.
He is a talent - no doubt about it - but he'll be one of those whose injuries may hinder expectations
just an opinion
I would argue his body is specifically made for the physicality of the league. He’s gonna need to lose about 15 pounds but he’s gonna be a LeBron-esque bully.
 
I would argue his body is specifically made for the physicality of the league. He’s gonna need to lose about 15 pounds but he’s gonna be a LeBron-esque bully.
But he’s gonna be going up against guys just as hefty, that’s the difference. And he doesn’t have anywhere close to Lebron’s other weapons (blow-by, long-range, mid-range jumpers).

in college much of what he did was based on brute force and superior ups.

All that said, I do hope he does great. He seems like a pretty well-raised and decent kid.
 
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