zach Edey— Donovan Clingan

[Scrappy3]

I love dc and hope he has watched the career of Zach edey. Zach is a complete fundamentally skilled player who has perfected his game by taking the time progress through extra years at Purdue. I think the nba missed on edey so far— but there will be no question this year as he goes top 10/15
He’s built his stamina conditioning to go 35 minutes and has learned to play without fouling. Dc is way behind him but I do think dc if he takes care of his body. Doesn’t rush to the nba can assert a game similar to edey and also develop into a player that is not only nba first rd but nba ready

 

[Skiblets]

I love dc and hope he has watched the career of Zach edey. Zach is a complete fundamentally skilled player who has perfected his game by taking the time progress through extra years at Purdue. I think the nba missed on edey so far— but there will be no question this year as he goes top 10/15
He’s built his stamina conditioning to go 35 minutes and has learned to play without fouling. Dc is way behind him but I do think dc if he takes care of his body. Doesn’t rush to the nba can assert a game similar to edey and also develop into a player that is not only nba first rd but nba ready

You forgot ‘water is wet’

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I feel like we need a pinned thread for “Clingan/Castle should stay another year” that the rest of us can just ignore.

 

[3rdbass]

I love dc and hope he has watched the career of Zach edey. Zach is a complete fundamentally skilled player who has perfected his game by taking the time progress through extra years at Purdue. I think the nba missed on edey so far— but there will be no question this year as he goes top 10/15
He’s built his stamina conditioning to go 35 minutes and has learned to play without fouling. Dc is way behind him but I do think dc if he takes care of his body. Doesn’t rush to the nba can assert a game similar to edey and also develop into a player that is not only nba first rd but nba ready

Zach would go top 10-15 in the old NBA but in todays game he will be lucky to get drafted in the first round. He is too slow and not a good shooter for today's NBA game. DC game is more about movement and developing more of an outside game. He shouldn't model his game after Zach.

 

[Jimdish255]

Talk to me in 2 years. They aren't the same age and this season has been fought with obstacles for DC. It's just not a great comparison at this time.

 

[husky429]

I love dc and hope he has watched the career of Zach edey. Zach is a complete fundamentally skilled player who has perfected his game by taking the time progress through extra years at Purdue. I think the nba missed on edey so far— but there will be no question this year as he goes top 10/15
He’s built his stamina conditioning to go 35 minutes and has learned to play without fouling. Dc is way behind him but I do think dc if he takes care of his body. Doesn’t rush to the nba can assert a game similar to edey and also develop into a player that is not only nba first rd but nba ready

I'm going to make some statements that will be controversial, but really shouldn't be:

Clingan can and should go to the NBA as soon as he's looking at guaranteed money. Any player should. He will get rich, develop faster, and get his S&C/health better in the league. There are rather few exceptions to this rule.

We don't like to admit we can't develop talent as well as an NBA organization here at the 'yard, but it's a cold hard truth. Players get unlimited practice time, unlimited S&C time, personal chefs, trainers that are ONLY trainers (not generalists like a college coach), etc. There's a reason why Andre learned to shoot as soon as he left UConn.

Edey will not go in the lottery. Too old, too slow, game too antiquated despite having outrageous college success.

They are very different players, despite both being really flippin' tall. DC's style of play is more suited to the league, and he's as young as many one-and-done freshman. His youth and skillset have GMs salivating.

 

[NJHusky]

I'm going to make some statements that will be controversial, but really shouldn't be:

Clingan can and should go to the NBA as soon as he's looking at guaranteed money. Any player should. He will get rich, develop faster, and get his S&C/health better in the league. There are rather few exceptions to this rule.

We don't like to admit we can't develop talent as well as an NBA organization here at the 'yard, but it's a cold hard truth. Players get unlimited practice time, unlimited S&C time, personal chefs, trainers that are ONLY trainers (not generalists like a college coach), etc. There's a reason why Andre learned to shoot as soon as he left UConn.

Edey will not go in the lottery. Too old, too slow, game too antiquated despite having outrageous college success.

They are very different players, despite both being really flippin' tall. DC's style of play is more suited to the league, and he's as young as many one-and-done freshman. His youth and skillset have GMs salivating.

Spot on…nothing controversial IMO. In 2023 the 15th pick is guaranteed 7M. The team has options for year 3-4 for another 9.5M. Would be stupid not to leave.

 

[TheChamps990411]

I love dc and hope he has watched the career of Zach edey. Zach is a complete fundamentally skilled player who has perfected his game by taking the time progress through extra years at Purdue. I think the nba missed on edey so far— but there will be no question this year as he goes top 10/15
He’s built his stamina conditioning to go 35 minutes and has learned to play without fouling. Dc is way behind him but I do think dc if he takes care of his body. Doesn’t rush to the nba can assert a game similar to edey and also develop into a player that is not only nba first rd but nba ready

I dont have the greatest track record of projecting guys to the NBA but Edey is painfully slow. Drafting him in the top 5 or 10 is too risky. He has major bust potential. I think hes out of the league before too long. Hes basically Thabeet 2.o except he has a better offensive game. Edeys type of big is obsolete. When healthy DC can run the floor, play above the rim and appears to have the ability to develop enough of a shot to hit from the outside.

 

[Waquoit]

Right now I'm thinking of the FB quote; "the best ability is availability".

 

[BigTenFan]

Edey most likely will never be an NBA all star....but he is a hell of a college player. Statistically one of the best ever. He is a game changer and has improved every year at Purdue. He was ranked the 425 pick in HS and will end up back to back NPOY. He has much better perimeter shooters and passers this year which makes him even more dominant in the paint. Clingan and Edey just different players on two great teams.

 

[UconnFanDC]

Zach would go top 10-15 in the old NBA but in todays game he will be lucky to get drafted in the first round. He is too slow and not a good shooter for today's NBA game. DC game is more about movement and developing more of an outside game. He shouldn't model his game after Zach.

Agreed

 

[Palatine]

Who needs millions of dollars? Edey is an idiot.

 

[I Bleed Blue]

Donovan should be modeling his game after Walker Kessler not Edey to be productive in the NBA.

 

[Scrappy3]

Donovan should be modeling his game after Walker Kessler not Edey to be productive in the NBA.

I personally think the nba discounted edey but come this draft he’ll get his due.He reminds me of Yao Ming and while the nba is faster and more spread out Zach is to good not to find a nice spot. 7-4 280 is a big man in a league that still makes use of them. Donovan is no way ahead of edey as of now but dc has a great deal to work with and would love to see him develop here rather than taking a chance as a second rd pick

 

[Huskyforlife]

If Edey impacted the game like Donovan as a sophomore, he woulda been a first round pick.

 

[caw]

If Edey impacted the game like Donovan as a sophomore, he woulda been a first round pick.

Edey has a fantastic base and is really strong at holding position but his mobility and speed are just so slow compared to Clingan.

 

[Scottobot]

#1: if we got a UConn Purdue matchup in final 4 that would be so epic and awesome.

#2: It was in Edey’s best interest financially to have already gone pro. He can’t really move up much. It doesn’t matter how good he is or how much he wins. The nba scouts have to bless you as “what they are looking for” to be a lotto pick. I don’t agree with it but no one wants to pick Edey as a lotto pick. If he wasn’t a lotto pick after last season at Purdue, it will never happen. He stayed, because he wants to win and prove people wrong.

#3: Clingan clearly has pro talent and pro teams will draft him, pay him and help him develop. But maybe Clingan would rather deceive lop,being a star at UConn rthater than in obscurity on some G league team. A think it is a lot more rewarding for a player to develop in college vs g league but Inhave no idea about financial aspects of those choices.

I apologize for the bold, it won’t disable.

 

[REB1094]

Zach Edey is without a doubt a better basketball player. The NBA draft doesn’t look for the best basketball player. It looks for the best fit to the modern game and the highest potential.

Walker Kessler was a first round pick 2 years ago. Clingan could have been last year. Edey didn’t sniff a 2nd round draft board. Nothing to do with skill, everything to do with fit

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Donovan is no way ahead of edey as of now but dc has a great deal to work with and would love to see him develop here rather than taking a chance as a second rd pick

In terms of how the NBA views them, DC is most assuredly ahead of Edey. And I’ve got good news for you, the chances of DC being a lottery pick are far higher than of him going in the second round. Everything DC needs to work on, he will be able to with the immensely superior resources at the NBA level.

 

[willie99]

Zach Edey is without a doubt a better basketball player. The NBA draft doesn’t look for the best basketball player. It looks for the best fit to the modern game and the highest potential.

Walker Kessler was a first round pick 2 years ago. Clingan could have been last year. Edey didn’t sniff a 2nd round draft board. Nothing to do with skill, everything to do with fit

Well, that's an interesting take.

Zach Edey is clearly the better player, NBA scouts just doesn't understand this, and it just happens to be he doesn't fit on to any team

Maybe that explains Purdue's early exits too. Their opponents just don't appreciate how good Edey really is, lest they would lose

 

[willie99]

In Zach Edey's first three NCAA Tournaments

As a 4 seed, they lose to 13 North Texas State in the first round

As a 3 seed, they lose to 15 St Peters in the S 16

As a 1 seed, they lose to 16 Fairleigh Dickenson in the first round

Seeded 1,3 & 4, they're 2-3 collectively, losing to a 13,15 and 16

NCAA Tournament History for Purdue

PS: one of those wins was over the mighty Yale Bulldogs, so there's that

That's the epitome of overrated

 

[REB1094]

Well, that's an interesting take.

Zach Edey is clearly the better player, NBA scouts just doesn't understand this, and it just happens to be he doesn't fit on to any team

Maybe that explains Purdue's early exits too. Their opponents just don't appreciate how good Edey really is, lest they would lose

NBA scouts do understand it, but they’d prefer the mobile and athletic 7’2 lob threat over the immobile and slow 7’4 back to the basket guy, even if the 7’4 guy averages 10 more points and 5 more rebounds and is the NPOY. The modern NBA wants bigs to be athletic, not parked on the low block all game

Purdue are definite postseason chokers, but I doubt that’s too heavily considered in his draft stock. Brandon Miller shot like 20% in the tournament and went #2. Anthony Black shot 30% and went #6. Taylor Hendricks didn’t make the tournament and went #9. Sanogo destroyed everyone in his path to win the championship, was the best player in the tournament, and went undrafted because his style didn’t fit in the modern NBA. But no surprise he’s worked his way to performing anyway and is tearing up the G League. If he keeps adding modern NBA skills he’ll get real NBA minutes whereas Black and Miller already have them

 

[MyDorona]

#1: if we got a UConn Purdue matchup in final 4 that would be so epic and awesome.

#2: It was in Edey’s best interest financially to have already gone pro. He can’t really move up much. It doesn’t matter how good he is or how much he wins. The nba scouts have to bless you as “what they are looking for” to be a lotto pick. I don’t agree with it but no one wants to pick Edey as a lotto pick. If he wasn’t a lotto pick after last season at Purdue, it will never happen. He stayed, because he wants to win and prove people wrong.

#3: Clingan clearly has pro talent and pro teams will draft him, pay him and help him develop. But maybe Clingan would rather deceive lop,being a star at UConn rthater than in obscurity on some G league team. A think it is a lot more rewarding for a player to develop in college vs g league but Inhave no idea about financial aspects of those choices.

I apologize for the bold, it won’t disable.

A few bold takes there

 

[Scrappy3]

Glad to hear Coach say they will set up plays for dc. I’d like to see dc getting 8-12 opportunities a game at 25 minutes to diversify the offense which has gone down a notch last 2 games

 

[Palatine]

I would take DC over ZE everytime. Zack is at his ceiling. Clingan has miles of sky above him.

 

[HuskyFich]

25 messages in, and still no one has questioned if those capital letters in the thread were intentional? Lmao. I’ve been trying to play Sherlock Holmes for a solid 10 minutes now.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

I personally think the nba discounted edey but come this draft he’ll get his due.He reminds me of Yao Ming and while the nba is faster and more spread out Zach is to good not to find a nice spot. 7-4 280 is a big man in a league that still makes use of them. Donovan is no way ahead of edey as of now but dc has a great deal to work with and would love to see him develop here rather than taking a chance as a second rd pick

Boban Marjonovic is 7'4" 290 lbs. He plays about 5 minutes per game (garbage time). That size is only used if it moves well enough to not get burned by every other player on the court.

If low post play mattered to the NBA, Sanogo would have been a lottery pick last year.

Edey will get killed on the high pick and roll, and will be unplayable against pro's. He will probably be drafted, but it will be about 15 spots after DC.

DC could sit out the rest of the season and still be chosen in the first round because he has good feet, is a tremendous defender around the rim, and has the potential to be a great shooter and passer from the top of the key. He is a FAR better defender than Edey. This is a skill that is directly translatable to the NBA right now. Everything he isn't elite at now will be worked on in his first couple years as a pro (that's how NBA teams look at it). Edey can't move with the same quickness as DC. His low post offense doesn't matter. No one in the NBA plays out of the low post.

Oscar Tshiebwe was the National Player of the Year in college. He wasn't drafted. He can't get on the court in the NBA. What you did in college doesn't matter. What matters is what they think you are capable of down the line. What is your body capable of.

 

[Pmurph678]

In Zach Edey's first three NCAA Tournaments

As a 4 seed, they lose to 13 North Texas State in the first round

As a 3 seed, they lose to 15 St Peters in the S 16

As a 1 seed, they lose to 16 Fairleigh Dickenson in the first round

Seeded 1,3 & 4, they're 2-3 collectively, losing to a 13,15 and 16

NCAA Tournament History for Purdue

PS: one of those wins was over the mighty Yale Bulldogs, so there's that

That's the epitome of overrated

They’ll be in the final 4 this year

 

[uconnfan68]

Boban Marjonovic is 7'4" 290 lbs. He plays about 5 minutes per game (garbage time). That size is only used if it moves well enough to not get burned by every other player on the court.

If low post play mattered to the NBA, Sanogo would have been a lottery pick last year.

Edey will get killed on the high pick and roll, and will be unplayable against pro's. He will probably be drafted, but it will be about 15 spots after DC.

DC could sit out the rest of the season and still be chosen in the first round because he has good feet, is a tremendous defender around the rim, and has the potential to be a great shooter and passer from the top of the key. He is a FAR better defender than Edey. This is a skill that is directly translatable to the NBA right now. Everything he isn't elite at now will be worked on in his first couple years as a pro (that's how NBA teams look at it). Edey can't move with the same quickness as DC. His low post offense doesn't matter. No one in the NBA plays out of the low post.

Oscar Tshiebwe was the National Player of the Year in college. He wasn't drafted. He can't get on the court in the NBA. What you did in college doesn't matter. What matters is what they think you are capable of down the line. What is your body capable of.

Boban’s commercials are great!

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

I forgot to mention something:
UConn and Purdue have a common opponent this season, Indiana.
Similar games. Purdue won by 21, UConn won by 20.
In the Purdue/IU game Edey took 23 shots (11-23, 33 points) 36 min
In the UConn/IU game DC took 3 shots (1-3, 7 points) 30 min

A person who didn't understand any nuance at all would say "look how much better Edey is". A person who understood basketball would say "UConn has a half dozen awesome players, and doesn't run the offense through one player".
This doesn't make DC worse, it actually makes him efficient, and able to let the game come to him. This is a skill that all NBA players (outside of about 10 of the very best) will have to acquire. An NBA team will not look at these common opponent games and say "Edey is 26 points better" because no one cares about low post scoring. They do however care about how many shots weren't taken at the rim because of the presence of a player, which is where DC is pretty much without equal.