OT: Youth sports this summer?

[The Viking]

I'm mystified by the decision making. Under what conditions are summer camps safer than baseball for kids?

So let me get this straight, kids in summer camps won't come in contact with each other and will wear masks for 4,6,8 hours in 90-95 degree heat? 4 or 5 days in a row during a week?

What am I missing? Did Lamont suck at baseball when he was a kid? As was said earlier, baseball has less contact than football and basketball. If they aren't going to play baseball in the summer, than you can kiss all youth sports good bye until there is a vaccine, right?

Hospitalizations for young people are very, very low. Most deaths occur in nursing homes. The virus does not do well outside. I mean there is data out there than can allow us to move forward I would think if families want to.

 

[UCTitleTown]

Got that word earlier today and after my post above. Some of the local teams are already talking about playing anyway, with specific precautions, if the state opens everything else back up.

Let's be honest, if an effective vaccine is developed it's probably a year away. The risks aren't completely going away until that happens. Are we supposed to continue to stop our entire lives for another year? If they play, with some precautions, and my son wants to, I will let him.

I can't do this another year. I don't even watch cable news anymore. I can't take the gloom and doom, no hope in sight that gets ratings. I appreciate the seriousness, but at some point, we need to get on with life. Take precautions for sure, but we can't live in caves forever.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Hospitalizations for young people are very, very low. Most deaths occur in nursing homes. The virus does not do well outside. I mean there is data out there than can allow us to move forward I would think if families want to.

Outside of this new spike in some crazy mass inflammation striking children with Covid-19, the concern has always been who the kids will bring Covid-19 home to. Half the crowd at summer travel baseball games I have been to are grandparents.

If the season does happen in some form, I honestly feel bad for my boys as their Mom will fill the pool-up with disinfectant and throw them in it after each practice and game. I would laugh if it wasn't for the fact that she has a M. Ed in Health Sciences and teaches health sciences classes, including clinical hygiene.

 

[M.S.G.]

Kids are obviously going to be back in school and playing sports again, there's a decent chance there is never a vaccine.

I'm a high school teacher and while there are some colleagues of mine that disagree, a large portion of us do not believe we will be in school buildings until the end of 2020 and potentially not until 2021.

 

[LongtimeUC]

My kid's last year of Little League....he plays spring and then the district team into the summer and I coach him. It's really heartbreaking....I know people are dealing with much bigger real life issues (sickness, lost jobs, social isolation), but I can't help but be really saddened by it. You can't get this time back...

While I'm a big sports fan in general, missing pro sports is nothing compared to this...I have the rest of my life to watch grown men play for millions...losing the youth sports is tough.

 

[GemParty]

Frightening virus. Camps vs sports. I’m not sure if either are appropriate soon. But how long can we wait? Are elementary school kids going back to classes end of August to start a new academic year?

 

[LongtimeUC]

Frightening virus. Camps vs sports. I’m not sure if either are appropriate soon. But how long can we wait? Are elementary school kids going back to classes end of August to start a new academic year?

Doubtful.

There is no reason to think we will be anywhere near herd immunity nor a vaccine by then. I don't see how anything will have changed in 100 days from now.

 

[superjohn]

I'm mystified by the decision making. Under what conditions are summer camps safer than baseball for kids?

So let me get this straight, kids in summer camps won't come in contact with each other and will wear masks for 4,6,8 hours in 90-95 degree heat? 4 or 5 days in a row during a week?

What am I missing? Did Lamont suck at baseball when he was a kid? As was said earlier, baseball has less contact than football and basketball. If they aren't going to play baseball in the summer, than you can kiss all youth sports good bye until there is a vaccine, right?

Hospitalizations for young people are very, very low. Most deaths occur in nursing homes. The virus does not do well outside. I mean there is data out there than can allow us to move forward I would think if families want to.

In Cook County 9 people under the age of 50 have died without comorbidities. One kid under the age of 20 passed away who had serious health problems before Covid. That's for one of the most densely populated counties in the country with over 5.2 million people of every race. We've completely lost perspective and common sense.

 

[superjohn]

Outside of this new spike in some crazy mass inflammation striking children with Covid-19, the concern has always been who the kids will bring Covid-19 home to. Half the crowd at summer travel baseball games I have been to are grandparents.

If the season does happen in some form, I honestly feel bad for my boys as their Mom will fill the pool-up with disinfectant and throw them in it after each practice and game. I would laugh if it wasn't for the fact that she has a M. Ed in Health Sciences and teaches health sciences classes, including clinical hygiene.

There's no evidence kids under the age of 16 spread the virus to adults.

 

[superjohn]

I'm a high school teacher and while there are some colleagues of mine that disagree, a large portion of us do not believe we will be in school buildings until the end of 2020 and potentially not until 2021.

Like I said, all common sense has gone out the window in this country.

 

[M.S.G.]

Okay...

 

[DarthGrumpy]

There's no evidence kids under the age of 16 spread the virus to adults.

What!? What is known is that people (young & old) can be infected by Covid-1, be asymptomatic, and can spread it to others. I can't find a single report saying children who have Covid-19 can't spread it. Do you have a link to your source?

In NJ, we have close to 150K cases and 10K known deaths to date. In my town with just 12,000 people, there are 220 cases with 10 deaths, including a guy my age with no underlying health conditions who lived 4 houses away and passed on Sunday leaving behind a wife and a 11 year old daughter. That number does not include the 30+ patients and 2 staff members at the LTC facility in town who have died.

My wife and I want to go back to work and our kids want to go back to school; but right now, the risk is simply too great.

You should be relieved that Covid-19 has not hit your area as hard as it has and continues to hit my area.

 

[Chuck]

Youth sports is great... and horrible. I'm now officially done with the "youth" part and on to high school. Spring would've been a culmination of years of soccer and lacrosse. My son played on the same soccer team since second grade, my daughter since 4th grade. Both played with the majority of their teammates for at least the last 4 years. It would have been nice to have a final season this spring. Most of the kids will play together whenever high school sports come back. My son's town lacrosse team was finally going to play for something (they don't keep records until 8th grade) outside of tournaments. A bunch of the boys are going to private school next year, so the team is essentially done.

The parents are emailing about how sad it is. The kids seem disappointed that they are stuck inside and not playing, but they are not lamenting the end of youth sports. They are fine picking up again next year in high school. I believe that the primary sadness is from parents upset about their kids growing up. I really hope they don't rush youth sports back because parents are upset and think the kids are being damaged in some way. I live in the same area as @Mr. Conehead. I have one friend (with health issues) dead and have three friends who lost parents. I have a good friend that runs a local funeral home. The state put a refrigerated truck in his parking lot and he was working day and night despite not having any actual funerals. This isn't the Black Plague, but when it hits, it hits hard. I hope we get back to life soon, but I also hope everyone is thinking outside the box to get back to life in a safe way. I will celebrate the return of youth sports, but only when it's safe.

 

[superjohn]

What!? What is known is that people (young & old) can be infected by Covid-1, be asymptomatic, and can spread it to others. I can't find a single report saying children who have Covid-19 can't spread it. Do you have a link to your source?

In NJ, we have close to 150K cases and 10K known deaths to date. In my town with just 12,000 people, there have are 220 cases with 10 deaths, including a guy my age with no underlying health conditions who lived 4 houses away and passed on Sunday leaving behind a wife and a 11 year old daughter. That number does not include the 30+ patients and 2 staff members at the LTC facility in town who have died.

My wife and I want to go back to work and our kids want to go back to school; but right now, the risk is simply too great.

You should be relieved that Covid-19 has not hit your area as hard as it has and continues to hit my area.

You and your neighbor are in your 70's, a lot of people have died in their 70's but it's not germane to what we're talking about. The flu is more deadly for kids than Covid. Plenty of reports show kids aren't a significant spreader to adults, they may not even be spreading it to adults at all. Plenty of countries have their schools open...

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You and your neighbor are in your 70's, a lot of people have died in their 70's but it's not germane to what we're talking about. The flu is more deadly for kids than Covid. Plenty of reports show kids aren't a significant spreader to adults, they may not even be spreading it to adults at all. Plenty of countries have their schools open...

Uh, I'm in my mid 40's and my my neighbor was in his late 40's and was a cop, played men's softball and basketball, and was in overall good shape. One of the town first Covid-19 cases was a gentleman in his 40's who is a triathlete and fortunately survived after 3 weeks in the hospital, 2 of which were on a ventilator.

As I said, I want my kids back in school; but school is held in very close quarters and kids of all ages are not the best at hygiene as we all know. If the virus gets into a school, its going to be brutal. And yes, hopefully if a child is inflected by Covid-19, he or she will not become sick. But, what about their teachers and other school employees who are typically between 25 and 65 who hospitalization rates from Covid-19 is 10x that of influenza? Not to mention that when they go home.

 

[upstater]

What!? What is known is that people (young & old) can be infected by Covid-1, be asymptomatic, and can spread it to others. I can't find a single report saying children who have Covid-19 can't spread it. Do you have a link to your source?

In NJ, we have close to 150K cases and 10K known deaths to date. In my town with just 12,000 people, there have are 220 cases with 10 deaths, including a guy my age with no underlying health conditions who lived 4 houses away and passed on Sunday leaving behind a wife and a 11 year old daughter. That number does not include the 30+ patients and 2 staff members at the LTC facility in town who have died.

My wife and I want to go back to work and our kids want to go back to school; but right now, the risk is simply too great.

You should be relieved that Covid-19 has not hit your area as hard as it has and continues to hit my area.

And when this is all over, we'll be dealing with the bodily aftereffects of the virus for years. When I hear doctors on Covid wings say things like, "So what it does is expand blood vessels, damages endolethial cells, and internal organs..." I want to run and hide. These are classic downstream symptoms of a variety of post-infection illnesses. They change your entire life.

 

[upstater]

You and your neighbor are in your 70's, a lot of people have died in their 70's but it's not germane to what we're talking about. The flu is more deadly for kids than Covid. Plenty of reports show kids aren't a significant spreader to adults, they may not even be spreading it to adults at all. Plenty of countries have their schools open...
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Tegnell is all over the news today saying many of his assumptions were wrong. He was roundly vilified the world over by epidemiologists for saying that.

 

[superjohn]

Uh, I'm in my mid 40's and my my neighbor was in his late 40's and was a cop, played men's softball and basketball, and was in overall good shape. One of the town first Covid-19 cases was a gentleman in his 40's who is a triathlete and fortunately survived after 3 weeks in the hospital, 2 of which was on a ventilator.

As I said, I want my kids back in school; but school is held in very close quarters and kids of all ages are not the best at hygiene as we all know. If the virus gets into a school, its going to be brutal. And yes, hopefully if a child is inflected by Covid-19, he or she will not become sick. But, what about their teachers and other school employes who are typically between 25 and 65 who hospitalization rates from Covid-19 is 10x that of influenza?

I got you confused with cohenzone. As I said there is no evidence that kids are significant spreaders or that they even spread the virus to adults. Covid is less lethal for kids than the flu is.

 

[superjohn]

Tegnell is all over the news today saying many of his assumptions were wrong. He was roundly vilified the world over by epidemiologists for saying that.

lol, they've been bashing him for 2 months of course they're not going to stop now. These are the same people who think we should hide from this until there's a vaccine.

 

[LongtimeUC]

You and your neighbor are in your 70's, a lot of people have died in their 70's but it's not germane to what we're talking about. The flu is more deadly for kids than Covid. Plenty of reports show kids aren't a significant spreader to adults, they may not even be spreading it to adults at all. Plenty of countries have their schools open...
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What countries have their schools open?

 

[upstater]

lol, they've been bashing him for 2 months of course they're not going to stop now. These are the same people who think we should hide from this until there's a vaccine.

He said it himself today. He is taking steps back. Not only can kids spread it, but they can get it.

 

[superjohn]

What countries have their schools open?

A lot of countries. Off the top of my head in Western Europe- France, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Germany

 

[DarthGrumpy]

A lot of countries. Off the top of my head in Western Europe- France, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Germany

Uh, France closed schools back in mid-March right around the same time New Jersey did. They are now starting to open-up, but on a very limited and rigid basis.

French teachers anxious as schools gradually reopen after Covid-19 lockdown

Thousands of French schools started to reopen this week as the country emerged from an eight-week lockdown to contain Covid-19. Teachers prepared for pupils according to a strict protocol – with masks,…

www.france24.com

And again, yes, right now it looks like children are less effected by Covid-19 infections, though the 'new' massive inflammatory condition that has claimed 3 children in New York is a major concern; but what about their adult teachers and staff and the families that they return home to at the end of the day?

 

[superjohn]

Uh, France closed schools back in mid-March right around the same time New Jersey did. They are now starting to open-up, but on a very limited and rigid basis.

French teachers anxious as schools gradually reopen after Covid-19 lockdown

Thousands of French schools started to reopen this week as the country emerged from an eight-week lockdown to contain Covid-19. Teachers prepared for pupils according to a strict protocol – with masks,…

www.france24.com

And again, yes, right now it looks like children are less effected by Covid-19 infections, though the 'new' massive inflammatory condition that has claimed 3 children in New York is a major concern; but what about their adult teachers and staff and the families that they return home to at the end of the day?

Yes, France and Germany are opening schools after being shutdown for 8 weeks. Let's see if the US can open them in September after being shutdown for 22 weeks.

Yes, children are less affected by Covid than adults. So much so that the flu is more deadly than Covid for them.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Yes, France and Germany are opening schools after being shutdown for 8 weeks. Let's see if the US can open them in September after being shutdown for 22 weeks.

Yes, children are less affected by Covid than adults. So much so that the flu is more deadly than Covid for them.

And yet you still won't answer what to do about the health and safety of the school's adult staff or are you proposing we just sent the kids back to school solo a la Lord of the Flies?

 

[superjohn]

And yet you still won't answer what to do about the health and safety of the school's adult staff or are you proposing we just sent the kids back to school solo a la Lord of the Flies?

There are all sorts of things you can do- masks, staggered start times, distancing in classrooms, everyone has their temp taken, constant cleaning etc.

Again, a lot of kids die every flu season and we take no safety precautions.

 

[UCTitleTown]

There are all sorts of things you can do- masks, staggered start times, distancing in classrooms, everyone has their temp taken, constant cleaning etc.

Again, a lot of kids die every flu season and we take no safety precautions.

You should see all of the helicopter moms on social media right now, "I'll never send my child to school if the have to wear a mask. I'll home school!". Get a grip.

 

[upstater]

Yes, France and Germany are opening schools after being shutdown for 8 weeks. Let's see if the US can open them in September after being shutdown for 22 weeks.

Yes, children are less affected by Covid than adults. So much so that the flu is more deadly than Covid for them.

Germany has seen their cases pop 10 days after reopening--and now Merkel said "we have to put the brakes on."

 

[superjohn]

Germany has seen their cases pop 10 days after reopening--and now Merkel said "we have to put the brakes on."

Got a link? That's not what I've read and heard from my German friend

 

[8893]

Got a link? That's not what I've read and heard from my German friend