You Can't Fool The NET. UConn still 4th.

[giddyup]

And how many national championships has the big 10 won in that time span. I will answer that question. One just one national championship since 1990. With all that winning you note that is kind of incredible. Since everything I post is untrue fact check that one. One national championship since 1990. I would say that is an interesting number.

Despite dropping 8 teams into the pool every year on brand mythology and giving the conference the highest odds to win a title, they haven’t because the reality is they aren’t nearly as good a basketball as they think they deserve to be..

 

[navery12]

Regional bias. Whoever thought of such a horrible thing. Something like that could never exist. So who is overeating them which was my initial premise which you have agreed too. It’s a legitimate question if you agree they are over rated who is over rating them. Could it be the people that rank the teams or just us unedgeumicated casual fans. The spelling error was intentional.

You thought of that horrible thing, and now you look dumb for saying it. Your initial premise was not that the conference is overrated, you said that the committee is biased towards the Big Ten. But the reality is that they're no less biased towards the Big Ten than the Big 12 or Pac 12 or any other power conference. As is usual with you, you post some nonsense and then move the goalposts when you get called out

 

[Kenny11]

None of this bothers me all that much. We will get at worst, reasonable respect with our seeding for the tournament and from there, it's up to us to perform.

On a side note, I saw a chart that had us with (I believe) nine Q-4 wins (considerably more than those ahead of us). I think we need to cut a couple of those out but I can somewhat understand the thought process at least for this year. With normal seasons for UNC, Gonzaga, Texas and Indiana, we should have had more than sufficient strength of scheduling with an excess of Q-4 games thrown in.

I think all of the major programs need to cut down on the “cupcake” games to help keep college basketball relevant. They are basically exhibitions and no more than 2 are needed.

 

[Hunt for 7]

You thought of that horrible thing, and now you look dumb for saying it. Your initial premise was not that the conference is overrated, you said that the committee is biased towards the Big Ten. But the reality is that they're no less biased towards the Big Ten than the Big 12 or Pac 12 or any other power conference. As is usual with you, you post some nonsense and then move the goalposts when you get called out

I was being sarcastic I believe in regional bias. I have lived in the southwest, Midwest for 20 years grew up in the northeast and now live in the southeast. I have listened to how the opinions differ from region to region. So with that said and since my premise is absurd who over rates the big 10. I am asking a legitimate question. If a conference is over rated which is the only thing we have agreed on who is mostly responsible for over rating them? And why does it consistently happen. Maybe we won’t win the national championship this year but I like our odds better than all the big10 teams combined.

 

[navery12]

I was being sarcastic I believe in regional bias. I have lived in the southwest, Midwest for 20 years grew up in the northeast and now live in the southeast. I have listened to how the opinions differ from region to region. So with that said and since my premise is absurd who over rates the big 10. I am asking a legitimate question. If a conference is over rated which is the only thing we have agreed on who is mostly responsible for over rating them? And why does it consistently happen. Maybe we won’t win the national championship this year but I like our odds better than all the big10 teams combined.

The general public overrates the conference as a whole at the top. What I'm disagreeing with is you saying the committee has a bias towards the Midwest and giving undeserving bubble teams from the Big Ten more bids

 

[Palatine]

I don't know if its true anymore. But it always seemed like Duke or UNC would be playing in Greensboro during the NCAA. I would love to see the records of Duke and UNC in the NCAA tornament, in games played in North Carolina.

 

[SubbaBub]

CFP has the same problem. Q3/Q4 wins don't matter, only losses. I'd like to see Purdue play 20 minutes without Edny.

 

[Padutch5]

CFP has the same problem. Q3/Q4 wins don't matter, only losses. I'd like to see Purdue play 20 minutes without Edny.

Even with Edny , Purdue isn’t exactly overwhelming Ohio State at halftime.

 

[Hunt for 7]

The general public overrates the conference as a whole at the top. What I'm disagreeing with is you saying the committee has a bias towards the Midwest and giving undeserving bubble teams from the Big Ten more bids

The general public overrates the conference as a whole at the top. What I'm disagreeing with is you saying the committee has a bias towards the Midwest and giving undeserving bubble teams from the Big Ten more bids

Good to see that the tone is more of a debate than an insult. I was also thinking about your numbers. Which I thank you for researching. I wonder if there is a way to research wins related to bids. The data you provided is interesting but it got me thinking why I would have had such an opinion on how unsuccessful the big10 was in the tournament. My theory is that if you break down wins by bids it would be a clearer indicator of tournament success. And it more than likely still illustrate that my that my opinion was wrong and that the big10 success in the tourney was similar to other conferences. As @giddyup noted it seems they get 8 bids a year. So I guess the real metric is what are they doing with those bids on a micro level. You seem good with stats perhaps you know if that data is out there but I will look.

 

[gtcam]

If you look at our analytic ratings since we’ve been fully healthy, they match the “eye test” 100%.

Well look at the #3 team - Iowa State
Laughing my arse off - when Houston go beat by ISU at ISU, I was told by so many here how I was crazy thinking that ISU was a good team and how Houston was so overrated.

 

[navery12]

Good to see that the tone is more of a debate than an insult. I was also thinking about your numbers. Which I thank you for researching. I wonder if there is a way to research wins related to bids. The data you provided is interesting but it got me thinking why I would have had such an opinion on how unsuccessful the big10 was in the tournament. My theory is that if you break down wins by bids it would be a clearer indicator of tournament success. And it more than likely still illustrate that my that my opinion was wrong and that the big10 success in the tourney was similar to other conferences. As @giddyup noted it seems they get 8 bids a year. So I guess the real metric is what are they doing with those bids on a micro level. You seem good with stats perhaps you know if that data is out there but I will look.

The info is out there, though a bit spotty to find. I know in 2022 they were 8-9 and expected record based on seed was 16-9. But I don't know of anywhere to find it on a macro level without looking year by year

 

[giddyup]

Purdue just lost to a mediocre 14 win OSU… because the conference is so strong.

 

[JungleLobo]

Sorry for the scrap. My computer tends to push its own buttons.

Here's the rest.

Well, we're still 4th this morning in the NET rankings. As far as yesterday's 28-point romp over a top Quad1 opponent, move along, nothing to see here.

Those relying on the eye test to rank teams are urged to get the eyes examined.

Of course, the game was at Gampel, or at least as far as the NET is concerned, it was. Home court is home court.

Except when you travel 3000 miles to Seattle to beat the pants off a Quad 1 Gonzaga team. Then home court for the opponent becomes a neutral court.

Oh, well.

Complaining about playing 1 game in Seattle as neutral when they had 3 at MSG as neutral?

Please.

 

[ninety-nine]

Yep, the top 4 in the NET didn't change today either. Maybe Purdue still holds the number 1 overall seed.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Nothing too see here. The NET ranking are a very non biased ranking system. Purdue and Houston and Arizona are just better than us. Ask the experts who put this cr** together and publish it.

 

[willie99]

I don't know if its true anymore. But it always seemed like Duke or UNC would be playing in Greensboro during the NCAA. I would love to see the records of Duke and UNC in the NCAA tornament, in games played in North Carolina.

There was a stretch of years where they played at least two tournament games a year in NC. Sometimes 4

I think one season Duke didn't leave NC until the Final Four. The ACC Tournament, first two rounds and Sweet 16 / Elite 8 were all played in their home state

KU gets a lot of home games as well

UConn, on the other hand, played more games in the opposing team's state than anyone

Ohio St
Florida
UCLA
NC
TX
George Mason
Mich St (OK, this was in the FF)

And we lost to MIss St on a court they just won the SEC Tournament Title on

PS: This is off the top of my head

 

[Tyler2Rings]

As with most of the things you post, this is not true. This data is for 1985-2019 and since then the Big Ten is 36-34 which makes them 59.36%

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The top of the Big Ten is absolutely overrated, but the middle and bubble teams have actually performed pretty well recently. Michigan State and Michigan have both made runs as low seeds recently. I wouldn't say there's a Midwest bias as much as there's just a bias for all P6 teams on the bubble

American...11-8. Kind of funny we have well over half of that conference's tourney wins

 

[huskeynut]

All computer rankings are based on the metrics/ algorithms they set up. Remember when none of this existed and it was the "eye test." OH NO!!!!!!!! That's just too subjective we were told. So now it's a computer program generated by humans who decide what's important. Just fine for discussion/ debate. Nothing more. Same as the weekly polls.

Bottom line - UConn, barring a total collapse, will be a number 1 seed in the tourney. Then it is a simple process, win 6 games in a row and you are the National Champion.

 

[Chin Diesel]

All computer rankings are based on the metrics/ algorithms they set up. Remember when none of this existed and it was the "eye test." OH NO!!!!!!!! That's just too subjective we were told. So now it's a computer program generated by humans who decide what's important. Just fine for discussion/ debate. Nothing more. Same as the weekly polls.

Bottom line - UConn, barring a total collapse, will be a number 1 seed in the tourney. Then it is a simple process, win 6 games in a row and you are the National Champion.

The values assigned to the algorithms are still subjectively decided by humans. There is zero difference between a computer poll and an eye test for validity or truth.
You just substitute direct eye contact for a program which tells a computer to compile a list based on categories and values you assign to those categories.

 

[Tenspro2002]

As with most of the things you post, this is not true. This data is for 1985-2019 and since then the Big Ten is 36-34 which makes them 59.36%

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The top of the Big Ten is absolutely overrated, but the middle and bubble teams have actually performed pretty well recently. Michigan State and Michigan have both made runs as low seeds recently. I wouldn't say there's a Midwest bias as much as there's just a bias for all P6 teams on the bubble

lol and of the AAC's record, we have 7 of those wins, to only 1 loss

 

[Tenspro2002]

There was a stretch of years where they played at least two tournament games a year in NC. Sometimes 4

I think one season Duke didn't leave NC until the Final Four. The ACC Tournament, first two rounds and Sweet 16 / Elite 8 were all played in their home state

KU gets a lot of home games as well

UConn, on the other hand, played more games in the opposing team's state than anyone

Ohio St
Florida
UCLA
NC
TX
George Mason
Mich St (OK, this was in the FF)

And we lost to MIss St on a court they just won the SEC Tournament Title on

PS: This is off the top of my head

In 2011 we won regional games against SDSU and Arizona in Anaheim.

I guess in 2014 we got some payback getting to play in MSG.

 

[Hunt for 7]

You’ll have to point me to what you’re talking about with your facts.

Find print or social media content prior to Wednesday February 7, 2024 that specifically noted Danny Hurley as a contender for National or Big East COY. You stated it was being discussed quite frequently while suggesting I was making things up. Spoiler: I did this and I know what you will find.

 

[7774]

Find print or social media content prior to Wednesday February 7, 2024 that specifically noted Danny Hurley as a contender for National or Big East COY. You stated it was being discussed quite frequently while suggesting I was making things up. Spoiler: I did this and I know what you will find.

So if you did this then you know you're wrong? I'm not sure what we're doing here.

Shot Takers: And the midseason college basketball awards go to ...

Dana O'Neil and Brian Hamilton give their picks for top transfer, player of the year, Final Four teams and more at midseason.

theathletic.com

 

[Hunt for 7]

American...11-8. Kind of funny we have well over half of that conference's tourney wins

So UConn I believe got two ncaa bids while they were in the American so with two bids we ended up playing in a total of 8 games. Each bid for us was worth 4 tournament games. All of the other bids the AAC have resulted in 11 games played. During that period how many other AAC teams played more than the minimum one game which each bid represents. I have completed some research related to another debate and although not complete I am finding anywhere between 2.5 to 3 games per bid suggests the conference is performing quite well related to games played per bid.

 

[Palatine]

Yeah but, what about the Dunkel? You can fool them.

https://www.dunkelindex.com/ranking/ncaa-basketball/2024

 

[Waquoit]

The values assigned to the algorithms are still subjectively decided by humans.

I swear some folks still haven't grasped that.

 

[Hunt for 7]

I swear some folks still haven't grasped that.

I thought AI was supposed to remove that human input and develop “it’s” own eye test. If AI is learning that means everything it spits out is not based on just human input. As I understand it that is what makes it so dangerous. It starts to think on its own. Hey for me I am all for it because I believe the ncaa committee is unable to think for itself.

 

[tzznandrew]

None of this bothers me all that much. We will get at worst, reasonable respect with our seeding for the tournament and from there, it's up to us to perform.

On a side note, I saw a chart that had us with (I believe) nine Q-4 wins (considerably more than those ahead of us). I think we need to cut a couple of those out but I can somewhat understand the thought process at least for this year. With normal seasons for UNC, Gonzaga, Texas and Indiana, we should have had more than sufficient strength of scheduling with an excess of Q-4 games thrown in.

I've been banging this drum all year and been told there's nothing to see here...

Ultimately, because this team is as good as it is...this probably won't affect us at all this year (difference between #1 overall and #1 playing Brooklyn and Boston is meaningless), so those posters (whom I generally respect but think are wrong on this) will be right for this year. And any year we're this good, it won't matter. But...the odds that we're 24-2 next year are pretty low.

 

[Waquoit]

I thought AI was supposed to remove that human input and develop “it’s” own eye test. If AI is learning that means everything it spits out is not based on just human input. As I understand it that is what makes it so dangerous. It starts to think on its own. Hey for me I am all for it because I believe the ncaa committee is unable to think for itself.

These algorithms aren't AI. In fact, true AI does not exist yet. What they call AI is just marketing of supercomputing.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Metrics are a tool to help separate teams that are of equal eye test. UConn is so ouch better than everyone else, I do t think the rankings should be justified to put UConn 2nd, third or fourth since the eye test clearly makes them superior.