Not quite right. The fan base, at least here on the BY, wants both style points and wins. One without the other and BY folks will (not sure I can use the "b" word) complain.
Xavier Postgame Thread
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The "Shooting by Period" is telling. What I'd like to be able "to see" from statistics is how many times a "possession" could have become "a shot taken." There is some number of total possessions. ORs add to that. TOs take away from that. Then I'd be interested to know how many times all those possessions turn into points. The number of "shots taken" seems low. And the frequency of success seems low. Then I wonder what they could do to improve those. I've said before "hoist 'em up" and "go get rebounds." Sometimes they seem reluctant to shoot open shots.
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Honesty can be a hard pill to swallow. Love Geno for this!
The entire team, coaches included need to take inventory. The talent seems to be there, the integration of the parts results in too many poorly connived breakdowns. We're playing down to the opponents in large part due to poor starts and lack of runs. Concentration???? Seems like the team is on remote with a heavy pass first mentality.
The TV view shows too much pointless passing and failure to shoot open shots. We are mechanical. Look like a team at practice. How a team shifts to game time from that is a mystery to me but perhaps playing to a 15 second shot clock might help. Move the ball toward the chance to score, not forever side to side. Our offense is tunnel vision, easily scouted. Our ball handlers need to create opportunities beyond a pointless pass to a player not in position to score. Many times CD posted up well and deep. Our ball handler never got her the ball instead continues to pass the ball around the 3 point line.
When the shot clock runs down we have too many players that have the ball in their hands who are not natural scorers. We need fewer passes and more determination to score early in the shot clock. Why let the defense set up?
We don't seem to play a pick and roll any more but surely got burned by it a number of times in this game even with two of our best defensive players involved. A coaching adjustment might have helped here.
A few random thoughts. Caroline started out on fire and very strong and then edged back due, I think, to the extra minutes she played. It's very encouraging to see 14 points from her. As for the turnovers, there is just no explanation against a team like Xavier except that it is who we are now and that is very un UCONN and a real problem going forward. I truly hope the Azzi factor will improve that dramatically.
We went to the Villanova- Seton Hall game last night in the snow in South Orange and sat in the second row from the floor. Had a funny exchange with Maddy Seigrist's mother at the Will Call table. She is very pleasant and funny. Villanova looks like a strong Sweet 16 and even better team to me and Seigrist had a great game.
Three words now for us. Fix the turnovers.
We went to the Villanova- Seton Hall game last night in the snow in South Orange and sat in the second row from the floor. Had a funny exchange with Maddy Seigrist's mother at the Will Call table. She is very pleasant and funny. Villanova looks like a strong Sweet 16 and even better team to me and Seigrist had a great game.
Three words now for us. Fix the turnovers.
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I too was impressed how Caroline backed her teammate
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Geno's offensive scheme requires a LOT of moving, precision, shooting accuracy. It works well when you have the talent and they are reasonably healthy and rested. However, you are seeing the "dark side" of using this scheme. It breaks down badly when players are tired, hurt, not focused, have to play physical, and have players playing who shouldnt be... Unfort., the offensive woes of the last 6 weeks is starting to seep into our defense, which has left perimeter shooters open, getting consistently beat 1-on-1, etc.
I think Geno has big decisions to make going forward. Does he simplify the offensive scheme given the move towards more physical play in wcbb. Does he recruit different types of players.
I think Geno has big decisions to make going forward. Does he simplify the offensive scheme given the move towards more physical play in wcbb. Does he recruit different types of players.
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The turnovers were bad. Subbing, hmm. Lou is beat up so badly he has her miss practice time. Aubrey was getting banged up all night. Caroline is still gaining her sea legs. Nika and Aaliyah are playing huge minutes and are both nicked up I think anyone who thinks this current squad can be handled the way Geno historically coaches need to be real. There are certainly some things a coach can try to fix. He cant recreates talent and wear and tear. How many truly bad losses have they had? The good old days when enjoying a win was the most fun without armchair coaching the whole game.
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Could not have said it any better. For "This Season" when Chris Dailey was coaching the team during Geno's absence, she seemed to have a better understanding of exactly how to motivate and get the most of this season's team.
Yes, there were moments in those games, where players didn't perform on the floor as they should have, but Chris, Jamelle, and Morgan were able to coral the players together and quickly made the game adjustments that provided the success that they had during those games.
It appears to me (and this is only my personal opinion), when Geno came back from his absence, he kind of lost control of this team. The style of coaching that made Geno one of the Greatest Division 1 Women's Basketball Coaches of All Time, just wasn't working with this group of players (which is different than the Style that Chris Dailey showed during her time coaching the team this season).
Geno's "In Game" frustrations with the players, while on the court, appeared to be de-motivating. You could see production from a number of players go down, the body language on the court didn't look right, especially when they looked over to the bench and saw Geno with his head bent over backwards, or Geno leaning over, placing his head into his hands in frustration, or Geno screaming at the player(s).
Chris Dailey's approach, as it seemed to me, was different, to which the players responded better to. This is not to say that the players on this team lost respect for Geno. That is not the case at all. But their drive, motivation and mojo was lost on the court.
I feel that this is a HUGE part as to why this team was just beating teams by a margin much much less than they were beating teams earlier in the season, and especially during the stretch when Chris Dailey had the team.
I feel that each and every player on this team wants to perform well and win for the University of Connecticut Women's Basketball Team and Program, "With All Of Their Heart and Might".
But with a de-motivated player(s) it is very hard to pull out the "Inner Drive" during game time, when they see the Body Language and Screaming that just seems to zap all of the energy out of the players.
It may very well be that Geno's style of coaching, that was SOOOOO SUCCESSFUL for DECADES, and made him the Legend that he is, has possibly passed him by. And sorry, but this team is not only physically tired but mentally tired as well.
This is not an excuse, but in my opinion, a fact. I know that my comments will upset many people here in the Boneyard, but I just had to express my feelings on this subject.
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Based solely on how the team has been playing recently:
Providence - win by 10
Villanova- two wins, by 5 and 9
Marquette- loss by 7
Georgetown- win by 8
Creighton- win by 2
St John’s- loss by 5
DePaul- win by 3
Xavier- win by 9
The gap between us and the top half of the big east isn’t big. Granted, I don’t think any of these teams are better or as talented as Uconn without Azzi Fudd, as you ask. Villanova is the closest, which also reflects in the AP poll. But this season, on an off night, I could see us losing to any of Villanova, Marquette, St John’s, Creighton, or DePaul in the BET. This will be the most compelling conference tournament in years.
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This current UCONN Team most definitely has the "Talent" to EASILY win the Big East Tournament. All the players need is to have "Someone" to really instill the confidence in them, their on court abilities and their athleticism. Positive Body Language and a Calming Environment from that "Someone" is what this team really needs right now. With that, this current team can do some really special things this Post Season.
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You know that, other than Aaliyah and Lou, Geno is playing players that had been expected to come off the bench, right?
I makes me crazy that we raved over our fabulous players until they wore down at the end of the season. Now Geno needs to recruit better players?
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Well said, and I agree on all points. I know some might not want to see what many of our eyes see, or write what we really, really feel. Long time fans (and yes, we are fanatics) who partake in the Boneyard are quite knowledgeable and have a very good handle of the women's game in general. The Huskies have had an unprecedented long time run at a level maybe never seen again, but I believe there is more than a grain of truth in what @CONNCAN has to say. I am not giving up on this team, and I'm confident most are not. Get healthy, get Azzi, and as the Beatles tell you "Get Together", and this team has a shot!
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Maybe UConn should get back in the AAC.
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All the distress over lost chemistry vs Xavier overlooks the fact that Dorka was off the court, with only one day for the team to adjust after a road game. Caroline's still working her way back in, not yet in her "game" condition. As the team has worn down over a short-handed season and other teams have become rougher, injuries have increased. Hopefully, a little rest before the BE tournament and the possible return of a solid player (albeit for short stints) will give us back the game we're used to watching.
Reserves (and some deep reserves) are playing major minutes and it shows after a long season. The combinations used today were a bit bizarre but maybe that is all GA had with the injuries.
For example, if PB, CD and Azzi were healthy, where do the 40 minutes each to NM, Lou and AG go? They all play much less and possibly in the biggest games, PB and Azzi are playing close to 40 minutes. Then we can spot play some others, even for longer stretches and wear teams down. We could even go three guards with NM, PB and Azzi for stretches. Now we are the ones wearing down. We didn't even have Dorka this game, so no big man in the high post to make passes inside. AE tried and she is a really good player, but her passing skills are pretty poor. Players playing out of position in this game as well.
Anyway, we won and despite what GA said (he is using his motivation by defamation technique again), I am very confident we play 3 games in the tourney and also that we take it all, but the third game could be one too many. But we will be there.
For example, if PB, CD and Azzi were healthy, where do the 40 minutes each to NM, Lou and AG go? They all play much less and possibly in the biggest games, PB and Azzi are playing close to 40 minutes. Then we can spot play some others, even for longer stretches and wear teams down. We could even go three guards with NM, PB and Azzi for stretches. Now we are the ones wearing down. We didn't even have Dorka this game, so no big man in the high post to make passes inside. AE tried and she is a really good player, but her passing skills are pretty poor. Players playing out of position in this game as well.
Anyway, we won and despite what GA said (he is using his motivation by defamation technique again), I am very confident we play 3 games in the tourney and also that we take it all, but the third game could be one too many. But we will be there.
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Besides a few shots by Edwards from inside of the arc, I still don't see much of any mid-range game.
Geno said that sometimes the team won't listen to him and IDK what that's about.
It's great that they all want to drive to the basket now, but every BB player should be able to make a mid-range shot when driving in for a layup isn't the best option.
Luckily UConn was able to make enough 3's to win.
Geno said that sometimes the team won't listen to him and IDK what that's about.
It's great that they all want to drive to the basket now, but every BB player should be able to make a mid-range shot when driving in for a layup isn't the best option.
Luckily UConn was able to make enough 3's to win.
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The second season will start on Saturday. We will have our rest. We will have Caroline and Azzi back and most likely coming off the bench. How many teams would like Caroline and Azzi coming off the bench????? We gonna be a different team with rest, time to regroup, and two more prolific scorers. Do you think we will have a problem scoring over 70pts???? I dont. With 4 days at home gives us time to rest, and rest our minds. It gives us time to get back on track. We havent had this in over 2 months. We're gonna have to work hard over the next couple of days to get our game back to where it was and we will because Caroline and Azzi will be back. Maybe with limited minutes and thats fine. Just their presence on the floor will make a huge difference and you wont have to tell them to shoot the ball. They both can create their own shot and will look to do that. Stop looking in the rear view mirror at what has happened in the past. We will be rested and a deeper team. The chemistry, continuity, and confidence will be back and joined with the grit and fire that got us here.
I did a quick summary of the top dozen or so in a post a week or so ago. Notre Dame has lost one player for the rest of the season with Miles' status unknown. Indiana lost Berger for eight games. One other team I failed to note had one regular player out for three games. No one else had any regular players (starters or bench logging lots of minutes) miss more than 2 games. It's hard to be sure with some teams whether bench players missed games or just didn't get put in a game. The team by team stats also don't list anyone lost before the season started (like Bueckers or Brady).
Connecticut is now up to 47 games missed by their core seven (discounting Bueckers and Brady). Notre Dame is at 15 and counting. No one else I checked was in double figures. Oklahoma is at zero for their top eight players in minutes and has not changed their starting lineup since the season started.
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It's always really, really great to hear your voice of reason here!!!You know that, other than Aaliyah and Lou, Geno is playing players that had been expected to come off the bench, right?
I makes me crazy that we raved over our fabulous players until they wore down at the end of the season. Now Geno needs to recruit better players?
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As Geno said, when Lou (or any of the better players) is making her shots, it covers up many of the issues. Coaches earn their money when things are not perfect but they still manage the team to a win.
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Not sure I understand your point(s). Next year, and for several years after, UConn will have one of the fastest, better passing teams in school history. While I would gladly take another big in the Edwards or Dolson mode, it will be difficult for other teams to catch up with them, much less get physical.
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I'm glad a couple of you have a sense of humor.
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I just watched a replay of the game. I had read the comments in this thread before I actually saw the game and I was expecting to be really disappointed in the game. I actually thought the team did really well for much of the game. I saw that Xavier worked really hard and did not play like a team without a win in the conference. I disagree with the point of view that the team is in disarray and is disappointing. I saw a UCONN team that played well in the first quarter until Edwards went out with her second foul. They were already trying to adapt to yet another injury to the starters. Then, Aubrey hurt her wrist. Then Edwards banged knees. Then Lou lost her temper and sat on the bench for awhile. Then Aubrey was out with her elbow being taped. Then Muhl was hit in the face, I believe, by a teammate. Lots of different lineups to adjust to. Great UCONN teams of the past could play great defense and offense, because they knew what each player would do during each play. I was reminded of how UCONN only defeated Tulane by two points in the 101st game of the 111 game win streak after Kia Nurse couldn't play due to a sprained ankle. This current team can't be sure who is playing at any time.
So I think this group of women deserve our praise and respect for playing really good basketball through a very difficult and challenging season. I hope they can play well in both the coming tournaments.
So I think this group of women deserve our praise and respect for playing really good basketball through a very difficult and challenging season. I hope they can play well in both the coming tournaments.
All of this seems like trying to explain a poem, or the feeling you get when you hold a newborn, or when you see the rain slowly come toward you across a field, or when you take the car out for the first time by yourself, or when they hand you the diploma, or when the results come back and you're in remission.
Sometimes explanations don't add anything.
Sometimes explanations don't add anything.
Lol he does act like an entitled fan sometimes There is some truth to the post. I over-analyze all of the time but when he was screaming at Caroline after a timeout sometime in the second half I was thinking….Did you forget who you are screaming at and what her experience has been like for the past 2seasons? The missed practice time, the rehab, the pain and sacrifice, and the risk coming back again this year. Seemed like bad timing to me.
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I too was screaming at CD at home for some egregious defensive lapses. I’m not sure while why you thin Ducharme should be treated with kid gloves. She came back because she wants to and loves playing basketball- it’s doesn’t exempt her from criticism for the rest of the season? What a strange notion.
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Of course they do. They don't see enough of it to acclimate themselves.
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