Won't these one and dones affect Kentucky's APR down the road?

[DoggieStyle]

and earn them a postseason ban too? Or am i confused about how this whole APR thing works?

 

[Danzz]

and earn them a postseason ban too? Or am i confused about how this whole APR thing works?

Apparently leaving for the NBA doesn't count but transferring does.

 

[alexd]

...as long as you're "in good academic standing" when you leave, it doesn't hurt the APR...

 

[HuskyBballFan]

If a kid leaves early for the NBA (essentially giving up on his pursuit of a college degree), he only has to be "in good academic standing" in order for his team to not lose an APR point. This basically means he just needs to avoid flunking out.

If a kid transfers to another institution of higher learning in order to continue his progress toward a degree, he has to meet several requirements, including a 2.6 GPA, in order for his team to not lose an APR point.

But remember, the APR is all about making sure that these student-athletes make progress toward their degrees.

 

[tykurez]

...as long as you're "in good academic standing" when you leave, it doesn't hurt the APR...

And the worst part is, isn't "in good academic standing" self-reported? Laugh.

 

[DoggieStyle]

how f*ked up is it to penalize kids who have nothing to do with kids who caused the problem. Fine the university some schollies and maybe some $$$. screwed up s*t. It looks like the Big East has also banned UConn from the BET

 

[upstater]

If a kid leaves early for the NBA (essentially giving up on his pursuit of a college degree), he only has to be "in good academic standing" in order for his team to not lose an APR point. This basically means he just needs to avoid flunking out.

If a kid transfers to another institution of higher learning in order to continue his progress toward a degree, he has to meet several requirements, including a 2.6 GPA, in order for his team to not lose an APR point.

But remember, the APR is all about making sure that these student-athletes make progress toward their degrees.

I don't think that's true. I think it's the opposite. There's no language in there about progress toward a degree. You can take any courses whatsoever in any order.

Look at UK's classes and you'd think they'd fall afoul:

2009: Bledsoe, Cousins, Dodson, Orton, Wall (Hood only potential graduate)
2010: T Jones, Kanter, Knight, Lamb (Poole and Vargas only potential grads)
2011: Davis, Gilchrist, Teague, Wiltjer
2012: (Caulley, Goodwin, Poythress, ?? Noel, ?? Muhammad, ?? Parker)

I find it very difficult to believe they will meet their GSR requirement. They'll have 15 or so non-grads, and 5 or so grads if they're lucky. That's 25%.

But the GSR rate is totally bogus. It's called a graduate "success" rate, but yet there are no transfers in the computation, nor are there any players who leave early in good standing. So, what does the word "success" have to do with it?

When it comes to academics, the NCAA excels at inventing bogus assessment schemes and pawning them off to the media.

 

[Cheddie]

...as long as you're "in good academic standing" when you leave, it doesn't hurt the APR...

I think it was back in the Wall year when I read that Kentucky's one and done guys, knowing they were gone, simply stopped taking classes when the season was over. So I guess if you get OK grades your one complete semester, that's cool with the NCAA?

 

[upstater]

I think it was back in the Wall year when I read that Kentucky's one and done guys, knowing they were gone, simply stopped taking classes when the season was over. So I guess if you get OK grades your one complete semester, that's cool with the NCAA?

I don't think that's right but there are all different ways you can game it if you don't care about proceeding toward your degree. You can maintain eligibility (you need to be half-time [i.e. enrolled in 2 courses] at least to maintain status) by taking intersession courses prior to the spring semester and then taking half semester courses. As long as you don't care about proceeding toward a degree (because those many of those intersession courses won't count toward one) you can game the system.

 

[nomar]

I don't think that's true. I think it's the opposite.

He was being sarcastic.

 

[Pudge]

This is the CRUX of the matter ... and I heard John Calipari say it himself: Kentucky GAMES the system. He calls it "loyalty to the program". What it really gets into is his kids (Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe) continued to go to class that second semester (not a heavy load of classes ... I bet) & Kentucky gets credit for these kids proceeding towards graduation. In actual fact, they had no idea that they would graduate. They wanted NBA; loaded on pitty-pat cake; and did what Squid asked. Get the APR.

Our kids, Mandeldove & Edwards (for instance), flagged this. Did not buy into helping the UConn hoop Program long term. Just basically did whatever they wanted ... and this hurt US & killed the APR.

See how Calipari made it part of the whole "deal"; and Calhoun was not insistent. We didn't play the GAME. And, the Bottom Line is ... the whole thing is BS. We teach a lot under Calhoun; and they are offered the ability to get a degree from a damn fine school; but, you do have to keep within the NCAA structure.

 

[upstater]

This is the CRUX of the matter ... and I heard John Calipari say it himself: Kentucky GAMES the system. He calls it "loyalty to the program". What it really gets into is his kids (Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe) continued to go to class that second semester (not a heavy load of classes ... I bet) & Kentucky gets credit for these kids proceeding towards graduation. In actual fact, they had no idea that they would graduate. They wanted NBA; loaded on pitty-pat cake; and did what Squid asked. Get the APR.

Our kids, Mandeldove & Edwards (for instance), flagged this. Did not buy into helping the UConn hoop Program long term. Just basically did whatever they wanted ... and this hurt US & killed the APR.

See how Calipari made it part of the whole "deal"; and Calhoun was not insistent. We didn't play the GAME. And, the Bottom Line is ... the whole thing is BS. We teach a lot under Calhoun; and they are offered the ability to get a degree from a damn fine school; but, you do have to keep within the NCAA structure.

I think you're mostly right but it goes beyond that. Our black marks came from upperclassmen who had very different academic responsibilities than freshman.

The APR rules actually encourage one and dones. It's a lot easier to pass intro courses in your freshman year and intersession fluff courses than it is to proceed to a degree in upper level courses as juniors or seniors. Those intersession courses don't even count toward advanced requirements. So Calipari is doing what the NCAA encourages. With the APR, you get just as much credit for passing fluff freshman and one-week courses as you do for graduating. The NCAA invented this bogus assessment tool as a veneer to make it seem they cared about academics. And now Calipari is proving how bogus it is.

If the GSR had any teeth (i.e. if it put the emphasis on graduation) then Calipari would be sunk with his methods. Even if the GSR had a low threshold (say 30% graduation), then Kentucky would still fall below it because players who leave in good standing and transfers are not considered in the GSR number (which makes it one of the most ridiculous stats in the world).

 

[businesslawyer]

This is the CRUX of the matter ... and I heard John Calipari say it himself: Kentucky GAMES the system. He calls it "loyalty to the program". What it really gets into is his kids (Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe) continued to go to class that second semester (not a heavy load of classes ... I bet) & Kentucky gets credit for these kids proceeding towards graduation. In actual fact, they had no idea that they would graduate. They wanted NBA; loaded on pitty-pat cake; and did what Squid asked. Get the APR.

Our kids, Mandeldove & Edwards (for instance), flagged this. Did not buy into helping the UConn hoop Program long term. Just basically did whatever they wanted ... and this hurt US & killed the APR.

See how Calipari made it part of the whole "deal"; and Calhoun was not insistent. We didn't play the GAME. And, the Bottom Line is ... the whole thing is BS. We teach a lot under Calhoun; and they are offered the ability to get a degree from a damn fine school; but, you do have to keep within the NCAA structure.

Exactly this. The entire system is absurd. But we have no one to blame but ourselves that we did not make sure we gamed it as well as others.

 

[Chuck]

My two cents:

1) JC and the school did a terrible job moving players along academically. They should have either "played the game" with the stats, or legitimately pushed kids forward. Apathy was not an option.

2) you have to punish programs even if it hurts innocent current attendees. Scandals are rarely caught contemporaneously with the action. Should USC have been spared because Reggie Bush was long gone? How about OSU?

3) despite the above beliefs, the law had. Certain proscribed penalties. We received those penalties and put a process in place to ensure future compliance. A new penalty just doesn't make sense on any level.

 

[willie99]

Bobby Knight said 5 (or 6) of UK's players didn't attend classes the whole spring semester in 2010. They all declared

amazing that won't impact APR