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There is a point there, but while I don't expect the WNBA to ever acquire the popularity that the NBA has, it seems to me that many more people would find the sport enjoyable if they only gave it a chance. To my mind, that does not mean that the players in the W deserve equal pay. I concur with your economic perspective on the matter.

I agree with you. I'm just pointing out the irony. I watched the spurs and all I could think of was how far ahead of everyone Geno was.

All this NBA stuff now Geno has been doing for decades.

If anything the men's game has become more like the women's game, which also is problematic in its own ways.
 
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And if you look at the WNBA, it has been a leader among professional teams sports in jersey sponsorships. Nine of the league’s 12 teams have marquee jersey sponsorship deals:
Ex-UConn players should have an advantage over many others when, inevitably, players begin to sell body space for tat advertising.

That was tongue-in-cheek (sort of - until it happens), but I find the uniform ads (33% of which are for gambling entities) about as appealing.
 

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Ex-UConn players should have an advantage over many others when, inevitably, players begin to sell body space for tat advertising.
That was tongue-in-cheek (sort of - until it happens), but I find the uniform ads (33% of which are for gambling entities) about as appealing.

It’s tacky, perhaps. But adverts of all kinds help keep teams in the black and ticket prices affordable. At a time when attendance and public interest are so important for the WNBA, I’ll happily tolerate whatever a team writes on their uniforms.
 

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It is very easy to say that ALL professional athletes are overpaid.
 

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Not a fan of the truth?

I agree with you. Since it contains unassailable facts it automatically becomes trolling, tacky, trite, superficial, etc. When you cannot refute the facts just blow it off as worthless writing. Oh! It is sexist! Do they bother with facts? Nah! Why bother with reality. But in a way they are correct; it is sexist. How? Try these facts. According to ESPN, more than 70 percent of the viewing audience of its Ladies Professional Golf Association programming is male, while over two-thirds of those watching the Women's NCAA basketball tournament are men. By the way per Ad Age women represent a potential audience-base of 140 million. So it is the women who are being sexist by not supporting women's sports. :( See the article below in Ad Age. Ad Age is a global media brand publishing analysis, news and data on marketing and media. No Longer Just Fun and Games

From this article "The 2000 WNBA championship on NBC had an average of 312,000 female viewers over the age of 55, but only 275,310 female viewers ages 18 to 34. The same holds true for women's college basketball. For all of the NCAA women's basketball games shown on CBS in 2000, the average 18 to 34 female viewership was 91,350. However the over-55 group who watched the games more than doubled those numbers." So how will viewership of women's basketball increase dramatically when its primary demographic is literally dying and the ad placers most cherished demographic is not flocking to women's basketball. It is SEXIST I tell you! So typically those of us over 55 are considered from the sexist age but yet we are the primary supporters of women's basketball. Hmmm ... Where are "enlightened" 18-34 year olds? Seems the sexist argument is so much bovine scatology when applied to women's basketball. So why aren't the potential audience-base of 140 million women supporting women's basketball? I mean other than lip service.

ESPN.com - Page2 - A coming-out party<br>for professional sports This ESPN.com article states: "Though each WNBA team controls its own marketing strategy, the suggestion to target the lesbian demographic is one that came from the top of the league's hierarchy." This represents at most 3.5% of the USA population, not a huge market. Particularly so when you realize a smaller percentage are actually sports fans; the same as any demographic. "The new women's professional soccer league, the WUSA, has said its target audience in its inaugural season is families with children who play soccer, not lesbians." It will be interesting to see which marketing strategy works. Ya think Moms with soccer playing kids represents a much larger percentage of the potential audience-base of 140 million women?

Adam Silver sums it up: “By growing the business,” Silver said. “The WNBA players are still paid significantly more than the G League players, certainly the top players, but ultimately this is not a Title IX issue, this is a business issue and we still have a number of teams losing money. … We haven’t figured out a winning formula, to be quite honest.” Adam Silver: One of the WNBA’s problems is that not enough young women pay attention to it
 
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I really have no idea of what the various players make. I will postulate that, if true , what is having a negative impact on them is the poor media coverage . I read that Lobo claimed the popularity of WNBA was going to take off. That is not going to happen without more tv coverage. As far as I can tell we cannot get even one game per week. So much for ESPN tauting their equal coverage of female sports. Other networks are just as bad. Let’s face it even the tv coverage of women’s college basketball is not as good as it could be.

This is about marketing. The NBA appears to have no interest in marketing, promoting, and expanding its WNBA business. This seems to be for the NBA what electric cars have been to Detroit: something they feel they have to do for PR purposes, but which interferes with their main business: for Detroit- selling gas cars, and for the NBA- marketing its male league.

These are amazing athletes. A good marketing exec, armed with an enthusiastic league and franchise structure, could really take this sport to town! So it's not about salaries today, but how the league could be expanded (including getting far more TV coverage- what is with ESPN's all-day coverage of male summer league games?!?).

Just think how women's tennis has expanded and compensation taken into the stratosphere. It can happen with women's basketball, too.
 

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Have at it. Seems to be doing a lot of good.

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I don't know if I nailed that quote word for word but I'm pretty sure that's the sense of it. ;)
 

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"Fairfield Fan, post: 2780088, member: 6911" This is about marketing. The NBA appears to have no interest in marketing, promoting, and expanding its WNBA business. This seems to be for the NBA what electric cars have been to Detroit: something they feel they have to do for PR purposes, but which interferes with their main business: for Detroit- selling gas cars, and for the NBA- marketing its male league. Tend to agree. Somewhere I read the creation of the WNBA by the NBA was to attract women to basketball, NBA basketball. Think about it. Companies try their darnedest to not create a product which will cannibalize one or more of its existing highly profitable products. So why would the NBA create the WNBA? Certainly not to lose any part of its lucrative NBA audience to the WNBA? Not a chance. It hurts the NBA and its owners bottomline. Why else would the NBA brass strongly suggest the WNBA go after the lesbian demographic? While the WNBA can't seem to connect with the 18-34 demographic, the NBA is connecting quite well.
NBA national ratings are on the rise, thanks to younger viewers
 

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"Fairfield Fan, post: 2780088, member: 6911" This is about marketing. The NBA appears to have no interest in marketing, promoting, and expanding its WNBA business. This seems to be for the NBA what electric cars have been to Detroit: something they feel they have to do for PR purposes, but which interferes with their main business: for Detroit- selling gas cars, and for the NBA- marketing its male league. Tend to agree. Somewhere I read the creation of the WNBA by the NBA was to attract women to basketball, NBA basketball. Think about it. Companies try their darnedest to not create a product which will cannibalize one or more of its existing highly profitable products. So why would the NBA create the WNBA? Certainly not to lose any part of its lucrative NBA audience to the WNBA? Not a chance. It hurts the NBA and its owners bottomline. Why else would the NBA brass strongly suggest the WNBA go after the lesbian demographic? While the WNBA can't seem to connect with the 18-34 demographic, the NBA is connecting quite well.
NBA national ratings are on the rise, thanks to younger viewers

Exactly.

The WNBA keeps girls interested in basketball and thus the NBA product.
 

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This is about marketing. The NBA appears to have no interest in marketing, promoting, and expanding its WNBA business. This seems to be for the NBA what electric cars have been to Detroit: something they feel they have to do for PR purposes, but which interferes with their main business: for Detroit- selling gas cars, and for the NBA- marketing its male league.

These are amazing athletes. A good marketing exec, armed with an enthusiastic league and franchise structure, could really take this sport to town! So it's not about salaries today, but how the league could be expanded (including getting far more TV coverage- what is with ESPN's all-day coverage of male summer league games?!?).

Just think how women's tennis has expanded and compensation taken into the stratosphere. It can happen with women's basketball, too.

you mean by taking from the men?
 

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"Never doubt that a small group of bored people bitching on the internet can change the world; indeed it's the only thing that ever has."

I don't know if I nailed that quote word for word but I'm pretty sure that's the sense of it. ;)
Oh, yea, Ms Margaret Mead. :D
 
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Tend to agree. Somewhere I read the creation of the WNBA by the NBA was to attract women to basketball, NBA basketball. Think about it. Companies try their darnedest to not create a product which will cannibalize one or more of its existing highly profitable products. So why would the NBA create the WNBA? Certainly not to lose any part of its lucrative NBA audience to the WNBA? Not a chance. It hurts the NBA and its owners bottomline. Why else would the NBA brass strongly suggest the WNBA go after the lesbian demographic? While the WNBA can't seem to connect with the 18-34 demographic, the NBA is connecting quite well.
NBA national ratings are on the rise, thanks to younger viewers
The WNBA doesn't play during basketball season, so how could it cannablize the NBA's audience?
 

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The WNBA doesn't play during basketball season, so how could it cannablize the NBA's audience?

Unlike the US Government who can just print more more money, people only have so much disposable money. If they spend it in the summer on WNBA seats it won't be there for the NBA seats in the winter. If they buy WNBA shirts, caps, and geegaws, they won't have the money to buy NBA shirts, caps, and geegaws. Parking isn't usually free. Concessions cost money. All this adds up and subtracts from the NBA.
 
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Unlike the US Government who can just print more more money, people only have so much disposable money. If they spend it in the summer on WNBA seats it won't be there for the NBA seats in the winter. If they buy WNBA shirts, caps, and geegaws, they won't have the money to buy NBA shirts, caps, and geegaws. Parking isn't usually free. Concessions cost money. All this adds up and subtracts from the NBA.
Gotcha. But in terms of just ticket affordability it’s apples & oranges. WNBA games are very affordable. I can always find Mercury tix pretty close to the floor for $25-30. (Not to mention that, even in Phoenix where attendance is 1st or 2nd in the league, scalpers are selling the tons of free promo tix outside the arena for below face value.)

But see how close $200-300 will get you for an NBA game.
 

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Gotcha. But in terms of just ticket affordability it’s apples & oranges. WNBA games are very affordable. I can always find Mercury tix pretty close to the floor for $25-30. (Not to mention that, even in Phoenix where attendance is 1st or 2nd in the league, scalpers are selling the tons of free promo tix outside the arena for below face value.)

But see how close $200-300 will get you for an NBA game.

I have tickets to tonight's Sun game. Corner tickets were $54 at the box office. I think they are $70+ from ticketmaster.
 

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Gotcha. But in terms of just ticket affordability it’s apples & oranges. WNBA games are very affordable. I can always find Mercury tix pretty close to the floor for $25-30. (Not to mention that, even in Phoenix where attendance is 1st or 2nd in the league, scalpers are selling the tons of free promo tix outside the arena for below face value.)

But see how close $200-300 will get you for an NBA game.

It's not a good sign that the WNBA's only real sports competition over the summer is MLB (compared to the talk of moving it to the winter...) and it still can't do much.
 
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I have tickets to tonight's Sun game. Corner tickets were $54 at the box office. I think they are $70+ from ticketmaster.
That's more than I thought tickets would be for a WNBA game.
 
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I had second row in Atlanta and I think it was $58,, if I remember correctly.
 

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