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Message: [QUOTE="Husky25, post: 3280248, member: 2839"] Like Josh Brown? Plaxico Burris? Lawrence Taylor? Dave Meggett? Some players redeem themselves. Some do not. Virtually every team, if not every team, has a few of both in their history. Teams sometimes are able to overcome those who do not redeem themselves, Teams often fail at overcoming them. It seems you don't like the Patriots because they have largely been successful at it for going on 19 straight years. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, most fans would love the "surly" Belichick leading their team. Heck, the Giants had a right of first refusal before George Young, presumably with Wellington Mara's blessing, chose Ray freaking Handley. Belichick has a history of not wanting to be put in the corner. He wasn't going to work under Handley with the Giants, and he wasn't going to be told what his next steps were going to be even by his friend, Parcells, with the Jets. What I feel people also forget is that Belichick went 5-13 his first 18 games as a Patriots head coach. He was probably on his way to getting fired. [/QUOTE]