Wisconsin will not welcome back seniors in spring sports

[j66kicker]

Wisconsin announced it will not extend scholarships next year for seniors who missed their spring sports seasons, and is encouraging them to get on with their lives. Some other schools, such as Ohio State and Oklahoma, have explicitly come out and welcomed their spring sports seniors back next year.

Wisconsin doesn't play baseball, so they only have something like 34 eligible seniors. Ohio State, for instance, has 75 eligible seniors, 31 of whom have expressed interest in coming back next year. Others haven't decided yet how they're going to handle it (example: Iowa, 25-35 seniors interested in returning, at a scholarship cost of around $500,000).

Wisconsin won't bring back seniors in spring sports next year

Wisconsin announced that it won't seek waivers for athletes in spring sports, citing financial uncertainty.

www.espn.com

 

[Lawrence]

Wisconsin announced it will not extend scholarships next year for seniors who missed their spring sports seasons, and is encouraging them to get on with their lives. Some other schools, such as Ohio State and Oklahoma, have explicitly come out and welcomed their spring sports seniors back next year.

Wisconsin doesn't play baseball, so they only have something like 34 eligible seniors. Ohio State, for instance, has 75 eligible seniors, 31 of whom have expressed interest in coming back next year. Others haven't decided yet how they're going to handle it (example: Iowa, 25-35 seniors interested in returning, at a scholarship cost of around $500,000).

Wisconsin won't bring back seniors in spring sports next year

Wisconsin announced that it won't seek waivers for athletes in spring sports, citing financial uncertainty.

www.espn.com

Really unfair judgement...34 seniors do matter.

 

[eebmg]

WEAK.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I think the Ivy League is not allowing additional eligibility for spring sports.

 

[EdSaid]

The financial repercussions are really going to be felt down the line across all sports. The NCAA themselves are in financial trouble. Last year the NCAA collected $860 million from CBS and Turner for the television rights to the Men's basketball tournament. That TV revenue is more than 80% of their income. They have a $200 million catastrophic insurance policy on the tournament, but will they ever collect on that? and when? They have dished out almost $300 million the last 3-4 four years on law suits and some concussion/health issues. The NCAA has no cushion.
If a Spring sport senior has financial implications to turn professional, then yeah maybe comeback for another. Just to come back to play another season if you have a degree, no get on with it. MLB already knows who they want to draft. How many student-athletes will go from undrafted to drafted by having a super season? Not many.

 

[HopJim]

Wisconsin announced it will not extend scholarships next year for seniors who missed their spring sports seasons, and is encouraging them to get on with their lives. Some other schools, such as Ohio State and Oklahoma, have explicitly come out and welcomed their spring sports seniors back next year.

Wisconsin doesn't play baseball, so they only have something like 34 eligible seniors. Ohio State, for instance, has 75 eligible seniors, 31 of whom have expressed interest in coming back next year. Others haven't decided yet how they're going to handle it (example: Iowa, 25-35 seniors interested in returning, at a scholarship cost of around $500,000).

Wisconsin won't bring back seniors in spring sports next year

Wisconsin announced that it won't seek waivers for athletes in spring sports, citing financial uncertainty.

www.espn.com

Rightly or wrongly, each school needs to take a position either way asap. Athletes are like any senior, making career and life decisions. "Considering alternatives" not a helpful message.

 

[pspr11]

College sports = money+-

 

[cohenzone]

College sports = money+-

Are college sports really about money at all levels of college sports?

 

[TheFarmFan]

Are college sports really about money at all levels of college sports?

Yes, it's just that at most levels it's about the money going out, not the money coming in. Thus Wisconsin's conclusion about its spring athletes, all of whom play for "non-revenue" sports...

 

[cohenzone]

Yes, it's just that at most levels it's about the money going out, not the money coming in. Thus Wisconsin's conclusion about its spring athletes, all of whom play for "non-revenue" sports...

And it’s the programs that spend a fortune on the going out that depend a great deal on what’s coming in. Places like Trinity, Hobart, Middlebury etc don’t put nearly the same amount of resources as even UConn let alone places like UNC, ND etc and don’t depend so heavily on the income from football or even hoops including TV revenue. The Trinity type programs spend less on sports than most “big time” programs pay the head coaches in the revenue sports. And students at Trinity like beating Wesleyan every bit as much as UConn fans like beating Duke or Syracuse.

 

[TheFarmFan]

And it’s the programs that spend a fortune on the going out that depend a great deal on what’s coming in. Places like Trinity, Hobart, Middlebury etc don’t put nearly the same amount of resources as even UConn let alone places like UNC, ND etc and don’t depend so heavily on the income from football or even hoops including TV revenue. The Trinity type programs spend less on sports than most “big time” programs pay the head coaches in the revenue sports. And students at Trinity like beating Wesleyan every bit as much as UConn fans like beating Duke or Syracuse.

Right you are: according to collegefactual, Trinity's total sports-related expenses tally $3.5m and fund 601 student-athletes, while UConn's expenses tally $63.8m for 719 student-athletes.

BTW: to see the epitome of the saying "lies, lies, and darn statistics," look no further than how nearly every AD in the country magically has revenue and expenses lines that net to almost exactly zero. (Indeed, UConn's sports related revenues and expenses are, magically, the exact same, right down to the dollar!: $63,828,624 in revenue, $63,828,624 in expenses. Talk about perfect budgeting!)

 

[cohenzone]

Right you are: according to collegefactual, Trinity's total sports-related expenses tally $3.5m and fund 601 student-athletes, while UConn's expenses tally $63.8m for 719 student-athletes.

BTW: to see the epitome of the saying "lies, lies, and darn statistics," look no further than how nearly every AD in the country magically has revenue and expenses lines that net to almost exactly zero. (Indeed, UConn's sports related revenues and expenses are, magically, the exact same, right down to the dollar!: $63,828,624 in revenue, $63,828,624 in expenses. Talk about perfect budgeting!)

The magic of accounting.

 

[j66kicker]

...Places like Trinity, Hobart, Middlebury etc don’t put nearly the same amount of resources as even UConn let alone places like UNC, ND..... And students at Trinity like beating Wesleyan every bit as much as UConn fans like beating Duke or Syracuse.

OK, but not as much as we like beating Tennessee or Norte Dame, right?

 

[cohenzone]

OK, but not as much as we like beating Tennessee or Norte Dame, right?

Don’t know. There are just a lot more of us. And I’d bet Yalies love beating Harvard and vice versa way more than we like beating anyone. It’s required of them or they can’t graduate.

 

[TheFarmFan]

Don’t know. There are just a lot more of us. And I’d bet Yalies love beating Harvard and vice versa way more than we like beating anyone. It’s required of them or they can’t graduate.

If that's the case Yalies classes 2011-16 apparently never graduated, because none of those classes experienced a win at The Game...

 

[cohenzone]

If that's the case Yalies classes 2011-16 apparently never graduated, because none of those classes experienced a win at The Game...

They were thrown out of school because their hatred never translated to victory. At least in football.

 

[CajunHusky]

I think the Ivy League is not allowing additional eligibility for spring sports.

The individual athlete still retains their eligibility .... there is nothing to stop them using that eligibility at another school.

 

[j66kicker]

I think the Ivy League is not allowing additional eligibility for spring sports.

Looks like some of the Ivy League spring sports seniors who wanted to come back found a workaround (being smart and all). They would withdraw from school now, before completing their final semester, and then matriculate their "senior" year next year, remaining eligible. (Hmmm - maybe it was their coaches who found the workaround).

But Harvard, Yale and Princeton are saying "Sorry - no can do."

Some Ivies won't let seniors withdraw, return next spring

While several Ivy League schools won't let seniors withdraw and return for a fifth year of eligibility next spring, others may allow that option.

www.espn.com

 

[Steelerone]

Are college sports really about money at all levels of college sports?
[/ Perhaps not at the Div. 2 or 3 level but when you get to the Power 5 conference it's about the money at every level.

 

[NJHusky]

Looks like some of the Ivy League spring sports seniors who wanted to come back found a workaround (being smart and all). They would withdraw from school now, before completing their final semester, and then matriculate their "senior" year next year, remaining eligible. (Hmmm - maybe it was their coaches who found the workaround).

But Harvard, Yale and Princeton are saying "Sorry - no can do."

Some Ivies won't let seniors withdraw, return next spring

While several Ivy League schools won't let seniors withdraw and return for a fifth year of eligibility next spring, others may allow that option.

www.espn.com

Since there are no athletic scholarships do they have to pay another semester of tuition?

 

[cohenzone]

No doubt. That makes Savannah State really stupid. Maybe they all are really stupid. U of Chicago was an original Big 10 member I believe and has survived pretty well for decades after stopping major sports. Ditto NYU that had some very good hoops teams before getting rid of it not all that long after having a 1st team AA in Barry Kramer and a teammate who was a very good pro in Happy Hairston.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

As mentioned, plenty of repercussions. Arizona just lost a softball player this weekend to the transfer portal and the last line of the article stated that the return of this year's seniors was probably the reason.

We haven't been on top of softball with my wife's health issues (but have retained our tix). In any case, from the info it appears she played more earlier in her career and very sparingly this past season. It makes sense, particularly for someone who may have expected to start next year due to graduation, and now not-so-much. Her stats were modest, so I can't swear she expected to start, but it seems likely, Arizona had a fair number of seniors.

 

[masshusk77]

Wisconsin announced it will not extend scholarships next year for seniors who missed their spring sports seasons, and is encouraging them to get on with their lives. Some other schools, such as Ohio State and Oklahoma, have explicitly come out and welcomed their spring sports seniors back next year.

Wisconsin doesn't play baseball, so they only have something like 34 eligible seniors. Ohio State, for instance, has 75 eligible seniors, 31 of whom have expressed interest in coming back next year. Others haven't decided yet how they're going to handle it (example: Iowa, 25-35 seniors interested in returning, at a scholarship cost of around $500,000).

Wisconsin won't bring back seniors in spring sports next year

Wisconsin announced that it won't seek waivers for athletes in spring sports, citing financial uncertainty.

www.espn.com

It drives me crazy to say the “cost” of a scholarship for a school is the full value of what the student would pay if they were not on scholarship. Does it “cost” them anything to put those extra 5th year seniors in classes? No, the class is already happening and the cost is fixed. Every meal they have at the dining hall is probably about $.50 compared to the $12 the meal plan charges. It is a cost, but not nearly what they make the numbers out to be. Never mind the fact that most non-revenue sports are not giving out too many full scholarships and the remaining balance paid for by the student athletes will more than make up for the costs that the school loses by giving others full scholarships. Baseball is a perfect example, 11.7 scholarships for a roster of 35.

 

[masshusk77]

The $500,000 works out to be $14K (for 35 kids) to $20K (for 25 kids), so it does't look to me like they're trying to get credit for a fully-loaded tuition-room-board number. Wisconsin's 2020-21 annual undergrad tuition & fees are $10,898 for in-state ($38,791 for out-of-state). Room & board, books and "full cost of attendance" stipend on top of the in-state tuition would probably put the cost past the high end of that $14-20K. Doesn't seem unreasonable for an actual incremental cost per scholarship - especially since the in-state tuition is probably subsidized. It's not like Duke ($58K) or Stanford ($55K) or Notre Dame ($56 K) trying to take credit for their full annual tuition.

That would be under the assumption that all of those kids are on full scholarships. Most non-revenue sports do not give full scholarships to all players. Most are in the 25-75% mark.

 

[Cornell Lt]

Looks like some of the Ivy League spring sports seniors who wanted to come back found a workaround (being smart and all). They would withdraw from school now, before completing their final semester, and then matriculate their "senior" year next year, remaining eligible. (Hmmm - maybe it was their coaches who found the workaround).

But Harvard, Yale and Princeton are saying "Sorry - no can do."

Some Ivies won't let seniors withdraw, return next spring

While several Ivy League schools won't let seniors withdraw and return for a fifth year of eligibility next spring, others may allow that option.

www.espn.com

This is not a new thing for the IVY League. Rob Pannell (Lacrosse player) did this in 2012. He was injured, so he withdrew from the University and then came back for his 4th year of eligibility.

 

[Cornell Lt]

Since there are no athletic scholarships do they have to pay another semester of tuition?

Yes, but with the amount of financial aid given, it's not as much as you might think.