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hasheemthedream said:
If Hurley just went zone or doubled him when he touched the ball we would have won that game! March is about coaching adjustments just as much as the players. Hurley needs to stay calm, call timeouts when needed, and lead this team to victory!!
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Still this inane narrative.

The rest of the team was 7/10 from 3. Everybody had the game of their life. What the ____ are you supposed to do about that?
 
Uconn77Duke74 said:
All of our championship teams had that special player that when the ball was in their hands, a positive play followed. Hamilton, Caron, Okafor, Kamba and Shabazz Simply couldn’t be stopped. To me this team has a different feel to it, it seems to be more a collection of players just slightly below the above caliber. Excellent players but maybe not yet ones that can carry a team. It Will be interesting to see if one emerges over the next couple of games. Will a team full of Jeremy lambs , Oriakhi’s and El Amins be enough to overcome not having the true alpha.
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I agree that the lack of “that guy” is an issue, but I truly think we have that guy and his name is Adama Sanogo. I don’t think we go to the big man in the last 2 minutes because we think he might turn it over. He’s a monster, he’s strong with the ball, we need to go to Adama with 10 left on the shot clock, and have him put up a 50% shot or kick to any of 3-4 guys to take an open 3 with a couple of seconds on the clock
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Still this inane narrative.

The rest of the team was 7/10 from 3. Everybody had the game of their life. What the ____ are you supposed to do about that?
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Honestly, if the same thing happens tomorrow with Clayton Jr. and his role players, I’m not sure what you could ask Dan/team to do? We’ve been the incredibly hot team nobody could stop twice, I’m sure their fans were asking the same thing.
 
giddyup said:
He’s never been in the Tourney and a freshman shouldn’t be your step up guy.
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He isn’t.

This is like the poster (maybe you) who said he was the team leader because he spoke during a tv broadcast.
 
metsfan2323 said:
The players should know we have their backs no matter what happens, just give it your best shot and have fun tomorrow.
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Yeah I’m sure that’s what they are worried about

SMH
 
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Kembacity said:
I agree that the lack of “that guy” is an issue, but I truly think we have that guy and his name is Adama Sanogo. I don’t think we go to the big man in the last 2 minutes because we think he might turn it over. He’s a monster, he’s strong with the ball, we need to go to Adama with 10 left on the shot clock, and have him put up a 50% shot or kick to any of 3-4 guys to take an open 3 with a couple of seconds on the clock
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This is incorrect. It needs to be Hawk for us to have a chance of making a run
 
tzznandrew said:
Look at what the other kids on that team shot that day from 3. I don't think a zone would have worked. I'm also not sure that more fully doubling Allen would have helped either.
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You do what Hulk did to Loki. Have to rattle them with extreme prejudice.
 
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AzHusky said:
I was listening to College sports talk on SXM radio and they felt that upsets on the first day helps to wake teams up for the second day. Teams play better after watching the upsets.
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Nice though but if you don’t approach each game in this tournament as potential lose then you won’t be around long . .
Teams that are that full of themselves won’t ever believe it could be them .
 
Kembacity said:
I agree that the lack of “that guy” is an issue, but I truly think we have that guy and his name is Adama Sanogo. I don’t think we go to the big man in the last 2 minutes because we think he might turn it over. He’s a monster, he’s strong with the ball, we need to go to Adama with 10 left on the shot clock, and have him put up a 50% shot or kick to any of 3-4 guys to take an open 3 with a couple of seconds on the clock
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The scariest thing about this team is the lack of a clear leader who keeps everyone grounded .
I begged for Newton to become that man back in Nov as he has the coolest head and the ball in his hand on almost every play . If he plays smart and calm we will win even if the shots are not falling at a high percentage.
 
Uconn77Duke74 said:
Will a team full of Jeremy lambs , Oriakhi’s and El Amins be enough to overcome not having the true alpha.
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I read your list of names … I’m not sure how to define a true alpha, but man would El Amin be a nice piece for this team. His attitude and onions might provide more of a boost than the greatness of someone like Hamilton.
 
twiceahusky said:
I read your list of names … I’m not sure how to define a true alpha, but man would El Amin be a nice piece for this team. His attitude and onions might provide more of a boost than the greatness of someone like Hamilton.
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If El Amin is on this team, even if you take out any player to make room, doesn't even matter who, this team gets a 1 seed and wins it all. Same with Napier.

I'd say something similar for Kemba too. Replace anyone, dear I say even any two players and put Kemba in both players places, this team goes the distance any way.
 
AdamaNation said:
Can we now say Princeton is the greatest 15 seed ever?!?
The problem is the lower seeds ALWAYS get to play looser cause they play with house money. Our rankings are top 25. 26-68 have 0 to prove. The rest, especially the top 12-15 have everything to prove.
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As long as you ignore that the Princetons and Furmans of the world actually had to play, you know, good basketball, that is a great excuse. Fact is lots of these teams are much better than they get credit for.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Still this inane narrative.

The rest of the team was 7/10 from 3. Everybody had the game of their life. What the ____ are you supposed to do about that?
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Furthermore Allen went 0-6, then 7-7, then 1-9 prior to a couple more baskets in the last minute plus. He didn’t just torch us all night while we simply rolled over. All of his makes were high difficulty shots, and all of them were guarded. We also held them to 7 total field goals and 3 free throws from the 18 minute mark to 2 minutes left in the game.

The actual problem (in addition to their other mediocre shooters splashing threes) was that we couldn’t score. Only Whaley could buy a bucket for the first 5 minutes of the game. It was 12-8 ten minutes into the game and Whaley had 4 of those, and 6 came out of the Tyler Polley Fools Gold Reserve.
 
Travelman32 said:
If El Amin is on this team, even if you take out any player to make room, doesn't even matter who, this team gets a 1 seed and wins it all. Same with Napier.

I'd say something similar for Kemba too. Replace anyone, dear I say even any two players and put Kemba in both players places, this team goes the distance any way.
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if I recall El Amin came back the year after we won in 1999 (1999-000 season) and Uconn was a 5 seed that lost to a 4 in second round of NCAA. Very similar to this years team. They were 25-10 that season , 4th place Big East. El Amin, Freeman, Albert Mouring and Voskuhl on the team.
 
Uconn77Duke74 said:
if I recall El Amin came back the year after we won in 1999 (1999-000 season) and Uconn was a 5 seed that lost to a 4 in second round of NCAA. Very similar to this years team. They were 25-10 that season , 4th place Big East. El Amin, Freeman, Albert Mouring and Voskuhl on the team.
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El Amin was injured in the first round and missed the elimination game

That's when we learned our other guards weren't ready. This year's team is much deeper

We're actually part of the national discussion
 
It was a super entertaining first day. I LOVE March Madness so much

Hurley needs to be showing the team that it's very easy and very possible for the high seeds to lose embarrassingly. They need to come out ready to kill like they did in Oregon, and they need to forget that they're one of the best teams in the country. Everybody is 0-0 at this point, and all you need is to go 0-1 for your season to end
 
freescooter said:
The lesson here is that all the fancy Dan number crunching is bs. Princeton had 1 quad 1 win. 1. Arizona had 9. But Princeton had some talented players and played hard. Same with Furman. The number crunchers ignore that both teams only played a few Quad 1 s. Because of the leagues they are in! But ask Arizona or Virginia if those NET rankings are a good measure of basketball. And there will be more to come. Limit the number of power and high major teams and bring on more solid mid-majors. Scrap the pseudo science formulas. Base selections on record and eye test .
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This is probably not worth responding to, but the reason the "eye test" doesn't work is that no one can watch every game. You can't follow every Princeton possession all year to know how good they are, as well as Arizona, Duke and 350 other D1 teams. That's why statistics are needed.
Basic statistics are fine, but limited. That's why we have advanced statistics -- they theoretically give a more complete sense of who is better, more likely to win, etc.
But in a one-and-done tournament, it doesn't matter. Arizona would likely win the next four straight against Princeton in a seven-game series, but they don't get that luxury. You're cold for one game and the season is over.
Again, probably a waste of time, but so is life on a college basketball message board.
 
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freescooter said:
The lesson here is that all the fancy Dan number crunching is bs. Princeton had 1 quad 1 win. 1. Arizona had 9. But Princeton had some talented players and played hard. Same with Furman. The number crunchers ignore that both teams only played a few Quad 1 s. Because of the leagues they are in! But ask Arizona or Virginia if those NET rankings are a good measure of basketball. And there will be more to come. Limit the number of power and high major teams and bring on more solid mid-majors. Scrap the pseudo science formulas. Base selections on record and eye test .
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There is still unfairness in the computational system with the primary one being some conference teams do not get equitable access to playing arbitrarily chosen preseason stronger teams. And once conference play begins these teams are unfairly defined with poor statistical values.

This is the @shizzle787 rant about scheduling only these teams have even greater likelihood of forced OOC bad scheduling.

A second flaw is that early season accomplishments which start values for the system as a whole don’t factor in things such as a newly constructed teams or early season injuries.

Which is why a panel reviews teams they are considering for seeds and considers recency winning and so on.

Your point about low and mid majors being unfairly treated still holds. But it not the fault of statistical analysis. It is the best way of minimizing subjective opinions in rankings.

I have spoken!
 
AdamaNation said:
The problem is the lower seeds ALWAYS get to play looser cause they play with house money. Our rankings are top 25. 26-68 have 0 to prove. The rest, especially the top 12-15 have everything to prove.
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While that is true, however the lower seeds tend to have less talent, in some cases much less talent. That is why higher seeded teams win more games. That is a probelm for the lower seeds.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Still this inane narrative.

The rest of the team was 7/10 from 3. Everybody had the game of their life. What the ____ are you supposed to do about that?
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Extend the defense and let Sanogo clean up anyone who leaks through?
 
Inyatkin said:
This is probably not worth responding to, but the reason the "eye test" doesn't work is that no one can watch every game.
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That's why I only use the sniff test
 
Winning is supposed to be hard. It’s the hard that makes it great. If it wasn’t hard everyone do it.
 
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