Why UConn will leave the NNBE at the first opportunity

[tzznandrew]

All that matters is money. Any discussion of anything else is simply ignorant. Either the NNBE gets paid or it doesn't. If it does, UConn is not going anywhere. If it doesn't, we leave at the first chance.

I think that, provided the amount of money is similar (and it will likely be less), we'll leave. I think we'd have to make a couple million dollars per year more in the BE than we would ACC to not want to leave. There are too many advantages in the ACC.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think that, provided the amount of money is similar (and it will likely be less), we'll leave. I think we'd have to make a couple million dollars per year more in the BE than we would ACC to not want to leave. There are too many advantages in the ACC.

The ACC is only marginally more stable than the Big East. It appears that the SEC is only looking at FSU at this point as #14. The ACC will be raided eventually.

 

[junglehusky]

The ACC is only marginally more stable than the Big East. It appears that the SEC is only looking at FSU at this point as #14. The ACC will be raided eventually.

The ACC may be raid-prone by the SEC, but they are still much more stable than the BE. See the link on the Catholics packing up and leaving if UL (or UConn) leaves. The BE would have an existential crisis if WVU, UL, UConn or RU take off. The ACC could lose 4 teams (maybe more) and still be a viable BCS conference after replacing the teams that leave.

 

[Adios]

With what we have developing, we can probably raid the ACC. Would need to let go of some bball schools, though.

 

[junglehusky]

With what we have developing, we can probably raid the ACC. Would need to let go of some bball schools, though.

 

[Adios]

Actually look at those titles. One was in 1935 before the polls started (which makes it dubious). There were five different teams named NC by someone that year: LSU, Princeton, Minnesota, SMU, and TCU.

In 1981, Clemson finished 12-0 and, via polls, won all the major titles. SMU (10-1) has a dubious claim at best.

In 1982, Penn State (the team you've been denigrating) finished 11-1, and, despite SMU finishing 11-0-1, Penn State won the AP, USA/CNN, and pretty much all major awards.

In other words, while they had great seasons, no major polls recognized them as champions in their last two claimed titles, and the first one is from a different era.

So in a span when SMU when SMU claimed two titles (recognized by no one), Penn State claimed 5 (despite multiple seasons they finished undefeated and were ignored), ranging from 1969-1994.

By the way, I wasn't denigrating Penn State. I was just saying they've really developed as a program over the past 50 years. As for SMU's two "titles" in the 80s, the National Championship Foundation recognized the first one, and the Helms Athletic Foundation recognized the second. I know both organizations no longer exist. But they are not the only organizations that awarded championships that no longer exist.

 

[Adios]

I seriously don't get why you would want to jump to a conference raided by SEC.

 

[tzznandrew]

I seriously don't get why you would want to jump to a conference raided by SEC.

But why would you want to jump to a conference that was raided by the conference that was raided by the SEC?

 

[junglehusky]

I seriously don't get why you would want to jump to a conference raided by SEC.

Because the alternative is to stay in the Big East which is going to have a smaller exit fee and has at least 4-5schools which are currently rumored to be trying to get in elsewhere.

Plus the whole point of my original post, which you may want to go back and take a look at.

 

[Adios]

But why would you want to jump to a conference that was raided by the conference that was raided by the SEC?

Because we wouldn't be stuck with four schools in North Carolina and two in Virginia.

 

[Adios]

Because the alternative is to stay in the Big East which is going to have a smaller exit fee and has at least 4-5schools which are currently rumored to be trying to get in elsewhere.

Plus the whole point of my original post, which you may want to go back and take a look at.

If the ACC gets raided before we do, we are in the better position. And there are other schools stuck in non-AQ conferences who can move up to the AQ level. San Diego State is just one example.

 

[tzznandrew]

Because we wouldn't be stuck with four schools in North Carolina and two in Virginia.

And one in Boston. And one in Pittsburgh. And one in Syracuse. And one in Maryland. And probably one in Florida. And maybe one in NJ. And one in Georgia. Possibly one in SC.

In other words, all our closest rivals both athletically, geographically, and academically.

Also, Virginia Tech is damn good. As is Clemson and Georgia Tech.

 

[Adios]

And one in Boston. And one in Pittsburgh. And one in Syracuse. And one in Maryland. And probably one in Florida. And maybe one in NJ. And one in Georgia. Possibly one in SC.

In other words, all our closest rivals both athletically, geographically, and academically.

Also, Virginia Tech is damn good. As is Clemson and Georgia Tech.

We can invite the damn good ones. We can use another four for now. Which school is from NJ?

 

[BlueMAB]

If the ACC gets raided before we do, then the Big East will be raided again; by the ACC.

 

[tzznandrew]

We can invite the damn good ones. We can use another four for now. Which school is from NJ?

I'm presuming that Rutgers could potentially go with us.

Most of those schools that left do not want to be associated with the UCF, USF, and BSUs of the world. They will come calling for a couple of academic fits from the BE. And those, provided ND rejects, will be UConn and Rutgers. And they will race to the door.

 

[junglehusky]

Because we wouldn't be stuck with four schools in North Carolina and two in Virginia.

As opposed to being stuck with a commuter school from Idaho, a military school in Colorado and a commuter school and a religious college in Texas????

You're talking about UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke and VT. At least three of those are considered "public ivies" and are elite research institutions. I asked you to re-read my OP, but I didn't mention this point specifically before, so I will now. UConn seriously desires to compete for top students to raise its academic profile and funding. The kind of high school seniors who will also apply to elite liberal arts colleges, Ivies, and elite publics (UNC, UVa, Wisconsin). Since we won't join the Ivy league or the Patriot league, we are better off being in the ACC (or B1G) for this purpose. I know it's not the only factor, but it is a factor. And it will weigh much more than having freakin' Boise and SMU in the conference for football.

 

[Adios]

I'm presuming that Rutgers could potentially go with us.

Most of those schools that left do not want to be associated with the UCF, USF, and BSUs of the world. They will come calling for a couple of academic fits from the BE. And those, provided ND rejects, will be UConn and Rutgers. And they will race to the door.

Publicity is what got us where we are, academically. Not too long ago, no one would have wanted to be associated with us.

 

[Adios]

As opposed to being stuck with a commuter school from Idaho, a military school in Colorado and a commuter school and a religious college in Texas????

You're talking about UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke and VT. At least three of those are considered "public ivies" and are elite research institutions. I asked you to re-read my OP, but I didn't mention this point specifically before, so I will now. UConn seriously desires to compete for top students to raise its academic profile and funding. The kind of high school seniors who will also apply to elite liberal arts colleges, Ivies, and elite publics (UNC, UVa, Wisconsin). Since we won't join the Ivy league or the Patriot league, we are better off being in the ACC (or B1G) for this purpose. I know it's not the only factor, but it is a factor. And it will weigh much more than having freakin' Boise and SMU in the conference for football.

SMU does have a "presidential library". I am sure UCF and USF would like to develop academically as we have. And we can invite the elite institutions when Boise State moves on. We'd have five slots then.

 

[tzznandrew]

By the way, I wasn't denigrating Penn State. I was just saying they've really developed as a program over the past 50 years. As for SMU's two "titles" in the 80s, the National Championship Foundation recognized the first one, and the Helms Athletic Foundation recognized the second. I know both organizations no longer exist. But they are not the only organizations that awarded championships that no longer exist.

Fair enough. But the National Championship Foundation also recognized Clemson, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Texas that year.

And the Helms foundation was the only major organization to recognize SMU the second one. Penn State, by contrast, was recognized by:​

AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN

 

[whaler11]

Publicity is what got us where we are, academically. Not too long ago, no one would have wanted to be associated with us.

When exactly was that. When UConn was a charter member of the Big East or when the league gave them a deal that allowed them to be the first team to go from 1-AA to a BCS league?

 

[Adios]

Fair enough. But the National Championship Foundation also recognized Clemson, Nebraska, Pittsburgh, and Texas that year.

And the Helms foundation was the only major organization to recognize SMU the second one. Penn State, by contrast, was recognized by:​

AP, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, Litkenhous, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI, USA/CNN

Utah and Oregon were awarded national championships by a few organizations over the past three years. It is what it is. Somehow, Oregon is considered a co-champion last year by Rothman (FACT). And they use mathematics to identify who's the champion.

 

[whaler11]

SMU does have a "presidential library". I am sure UCF and USF would like to develop academically as we have. And we can invite the elite institutions when Boise State moves on. We'd have five slots then.

Can we get an example of these 'elite institutions'?

 

[whaler11]

Utah and Oregon were awarded national championships by a few organizations over the past three years. It is what it is. Somehow, Oregon is considered a co-champion last year by Rothman (FACT). And they use mathematics to identify who's the champion.

A co-champion who happened to lose the championship game to Auburn?

 

[tzznandrew]

Utah and Oregon were awarded national championships by a few organizations over the past three years. It is what it is. Somehow, Oregon is considered a co-champion last year by Rothman (FACT). And they use mathematics to identify who's the champion.

That's my point. No one considers them the actual champions. The actual champions in 1981 were Clemson, and in 1982, it was Penn State.

There are some years where that is entirely unfair. For instance, twice Penn State went undefeated and didn't split the championship. Regardless, Southern Methodist was a solid football program with great players. They came close to two titles in the 1980s. Were caught cheating. Were given the death penalty.

Now, to be fair, given the circumstances, I think Houston and SMU are the best additions we could make; however, that doesn't make them good programs. At least not yet. And I'd rather be somewhere else than find out if they will be one.

 

[Rumrunner]

I think here you're seeing a divide among what other schools (pejoratively) call "t-shirt fans". Those are fans of UConn that haven't graduated from it, so they do not see athletics as an extension of the university. Whereas those who graduated from it value what athletics does to enhance the university.

Now there is a whole lot of middle, but as UConn climbs in stature, the divide gets a little bit bigger.

Obviously President Herbst is firmly in the latter camp. And that is whete she should be.

 

[junglehusky]

Publicity is what got us where we are, academically. Not too long ago, no one would have wanted to be associated with us.

If by publicity, you mean that winning NCs and getting to final fours in BBall and competing in the BE for football, sure that helps our profile. But much more important was UConn 2000 and 21st Century UConn, and being the flagship university of a state that is willing to support it with billions of dollars in funding. I don't care if SMU's donors build them a presidential mansion with gold bathtub fixtures, they are not UConn's peer institution.

 

[Adios]

If by publicity, you mean that winning NCs and getting to final fours in BBall and competing in the BE for football, sure that helps our profile. But much more important was UConn 2000 and 21st Century UConn, and being the flagship university of a state that is willing to support it with billions of dollars in funding. I don't care if SMU's donors build them a presidential mansion with gold bathtub fixtures, they are not UConn's peer institution.

If Notre Dame cared so much to be associated with prestigious schools when it comes to athletics rather than have the athletic department sustain itself, it would have left long ago.

 

[Nostical]

We will not be staying in a Big East composed of the yeams represented by those helmets. The whole thrust of Herbst's efforts had as much to do with academic synergy and similar mission statements as athletics. We will be in the Big Ten or ACC.

 

[junglehusky]

If Notre Dame cared so much to be associated with prestigious schools when it comes to athletics rather than have the athletic department sustain itself, it would have left long ago.

I must have missed the part where Notre Dame was in the Big East for football. But let me ask- since they are independent and can play anyone they want, how often have they played the "prestigious institutions" of SMU, Houston and Boise???

By the way, you sure make a lot of random tangential points. Not sure where you're going to go next.

 

[tzznandrew]

Notre Dame is a catholic institution that joined the BE, which has, and had, many other catholic institutions. Those schools are quite good academically (Georgetown, Villanova). They were also in a conference with strong universities like Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers. I'm sure its a little less palatable right now.