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Why The Selection Committee is a Joke

tzznandrew said:
Yeah, admitting on air they were more or less done at 2 AM Sunday morning (or was it Saturday?) was not a good look.
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Yeah I don't have much issue with what the committee did except this. Stop saying it's the total body of work when you're obviously not making any adjustments based upon at least the last 2 rounds of the conference tournaments.

It's also real annoying that the games they are ignoring are neutral site tournament games played immediately before a championship determined by neutral site tournament games. Seems like those are relevant.

I'm not sure what happened because they used to take these into account. There is no way we're getting a 3 seed in 2011 without a lot of the Big East Tournament being considered.
 
7774 said:
Yeah I don't have much issue with what the committee did except this. Stop saying it's the total body of work when you're obviously not making any adjustments based upon at least the last 2 rounds of the conference tournaments.

It's also real annoying that the games they are ignoring are neutral site tournament games played immediately before a championship determined by neutral site tournament games. Seems like those are relevant.

I'm not sure what happened because they used to take these into account. There is no way we're getting a 3 seed in 2011 without a lot of the Big East Tournament being considered.
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Funny how much commentary about needing to win x amount of games in your tournament to pad your resume, and it turns out that it's all a joke unless you win and get the automatic bid.
 
my2cents said:
When a team like NC State steals a bid, it should come at the expense of an ACC team like Virginia, not a Big East team.
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No it shows come at the expense of the next team on the bubble. Unless you want limits on number of bids to a conference.
 
icednct said:
The Mountain West getting 5 teams?
Put those 5 against St Johns, Providence, Seton Hall, Villanova and Butler and lets see who wins... Come on!!

Big East got hosed. The teams that got snubbed all played difficult non-conference games they shouldn't be punished for that!
The likes of Butler and even DePaul had good wins out of conference which just goes to show how good the conference is.
Villanova got hosed for playing a gauntlet non conference and ran out of gas against some hungry in state teams... If they played all cupcakes they would have won all those games... Clown show this committee is.
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De Paul beating Louisville doesn’t rank as a good win. And on Villanova you need to play the entire season.
 
Solution:
If a team wins its conference tournament and steals a bid, then another team from that same conference gets bumped.
tzznandrew said:
You can't do that. There were years were Gonzaga was one of the best 10 teams in the country but the WCC was a one-bid league.
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They already do this. Indirectly or directly, USF's bid was stolen by a bid stealer from its own league. Indiana State, also. This happens ALL the time with smaller conferences. It is the power conferences that get away with this injustice.

In fact, this IS the solution to the problem. The problem is not which metric. The problem is "bid stealing". And this is the fair solution to the problem. Only issue is how one defines "bid stealer". Define that and you are closer to a better solution than what we have now.
 
Kolumbo said:
I would like to see some video of people blasting the committee. I saw this post on the SJU site and someone claimed they never took into account injuries before. I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe I'll find Mad dog going on a rant.

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This guy is a joke. I want to say so many things but they will all be cut out by the moderator. They would be right for doing so…as they would not fit our culture. But this guy is a puppet. You can almost see the strings if you look closely enough. He has no right to smile after the crime he just committed.
 
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my2cents said:
When a team like NC State steals a bid, it should come at the expense of an ACC team like Virginia, not a Big East team.
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Wanted St John's Seton Hall and Providence in the tournament and feel they should have been selected.

It was unfortunate for those teams that NC State and others won their conference tournaments when they were not expected to but this teams did not STEAL anything. They played the games in the format that was established for their conference tournament and WON the tournament and the automatic bid.
 
Secure Dog said:
This guy is a joke. I want to say so many things but they will all be cut out by the moderator. They would be right for doing so…as they would not fit our culture. But this guy is a puppet. You can almost see the strings if you look closely enough. He has no right to smile after the crime he just committed.
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I'm shocked he even knew the teams they lost to and he knows who Donovan Clingan is.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Broiled dog spit like Michigan State, A&M and Virginia are in the field but not PC, who has more high quality wins than any bubble team, or St. John’s?

The NCAA/P2 is abusing their product, and they will destroy it eventually.
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The last sentence is spot on. They abused their power.
 
Little tidbit about the significance of making it to the conference tournament final or semifinal from a WashPost bracketologist:

"Every national championship-winning team since 1985 — with the exception of UCLA in 1995 and Arizona in 1997, which didn’t have a conference tournament — has lasted at least to the semifinal round in its conference tournament. So plan on avoiding teams that made an early exit, at least for your national title pick. This year, such teams include No. 3 seed Creighton, No. 4 seed Duke, No. 4 seed Kansas and three teams from the SEC: No. 2 seed Tennessee, No. 3 seed Kentucky and No. 4 seed Alabama. Kansas at least had an excuse; Kevin McCullar Jr. and Hunter Dickinson missed the Jayhawks’ loss to Cincinnati because of injuries, and Parker Braun wasn’t 100 percent.
 
upstater said:
AP Poll:

1. UConn
4. Iowa St
7. Auburn
10. Illinois

I would love to know if a bracket has ever had 4 top 10 teams in it before.
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and the other regions each have 2. interesting.
 
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Tdaley said:
These is exactly right. The committee could have gone back to the prearranged brackets after the conference tournaments had finished and made a few adjustments. They took the lazy way out did nothing which left the East Bracket with too many teams playing great basketball at the end of the year. It is disappointing.
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You can even see this in how the seeding and bracketing played out.

They made Illinois a 3 seed and Wisconsin a 5 so that they could justify it no matter who won that game.

Illinois should have had a much easier path, but the Committee can say "they were still a 3 seed!"

Likewise, Wisconsin is probably overseeded as a 5, but nobody looks that closely when they lose. But if they had won and been seeded lower, there would have been uproar. So the Committee splits the difference.

The Big Ten has gamed this to their advantage for years, having their conference Tournament end minutes before the Selection Show, but the way the Committee let themselves get played has only gotten worse and expanded to even Saturday's action.
 
Providence, Seton Hall, and St. John's (at least until the last couple weeks) were all mediocre teams that were left out in favor of other mediocre teams that had more political sway. Everyone brings up Virginia and MSU, but the real tell might've been Northwestern. The committee helped skate them to a 9-seed without much pushback simply for beating Purdue by four in December, only to turnaround today and downplay Seton Hall's 15 point win over UConn.

They'd have been better off just laying low, because that's the sort of thing that makes their bias obvious. Northwestern and Virginia are two of the most visible and prestigious schools in the country, and Seton Hall is a commuter school. Don't think that doesn't matter.

Mississippi State, Texas A&M, and Michigan State getting in, or Clemson getting a six, is just money talking in a different way, and further evidence of a P2 agenda. Schools that are owned or coveted by the P2 made out much better than the likes of Pitt and Wake Forest. The only exception was Oklahoma, who I'm sure can't get to the SEC fast enough.
 
housekeys said:
They already do this. Indirectly or directly, USF's bid was stolen by a bid stealer from its own league. Indiana State, also. This happens ALL the time with smaller conferences. It is the power conferences that get away with this injustice.
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USF wasn't getting in without the autobid.

I'm not for punishing deserving NCAA teams because someone else in their conference got hot. It's different when it's single bid no matter what conferences.
 
HuskyFich said:
Bubba just came on CBS Sports and said that the committee does not have a set standard of metrics to base their selections and rankings on.

Each committee member is allowed to choose their selections for their own, completely biased reasons.

He can’t answer if # of Quad 1 wins vs. bad losses matters more. He said “I wish it was that simple and easy to do.”

Wow.
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So what? They use their judgment. Good for them.
 
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tzznandrew said:
USF wasn't getting in without the autobid.

I'm not for punishing deserving NCAA teams because someone else in their conference got hot. It's different when it's single bid no matter what conferences.
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So you are not for punishing deserving NCAA teams because someone else in their conference got hot? But it is OK if an ACC team gets hot and you punish someone in the BE? That is what happened.

USF was more deserving than NCST, prior to NCST getting hot.

"It's different". Yes, it is. It should not be.
 
housekeys said:
So you are not for punishing deserving NCAA teams because someone else in their conference got hot? But it is OK if an ACC team gets hot and you punish someone in the BE? That is what happened.

USF was more deserving than NCST, prior to NCST getting hot.

"It's different". Yes, it is. It should not be.
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They didn't punish anyone. The model you suggest punishes a conference. The current model is up front in suggesting that they take the best teams regardless of conference to fill however many at large spots there were. I know people are screaming about the P2, but the Big 10 only got six bids—same as the Mountain West.

An additional BE team should have made it. It's not anyone's fault, though, other than their own. Don't lose to Rutgers or Michigan.
 
slepers said:
They showed a graphic that had the east bracket with the easiest competition based on what THEY ranked the teams. Do they think we are idiots, they put up something that they have control over and then say we did a fair job. Bite me
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The silver lining is that UCONN is the best team in the country. Best team does not always win.. If it did we would not need a tournament.
 
tzznandrew said:
They didn't punish anyone. The model you suggest punishes a conference. The current model is up front in suggesting that they take the best teams regardless of conference to fill however many at large spots there were. I know people are screaming about the P2, but the Big 10 only got six bids—same as the Mountain West.

An additional BE team should have made it. It's not anyone's fault, though, other than their own. Don't lose to Rutgers or Michigan.
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Don't lose to Rutgers and Michigan? Well, OK. Don't lose to NCST (hello Virginia). The only thing that is up front about the current model is that they admit it is arbitrary and selective. They do not admit it is unjust, which it is.

But yea, you are right. You get the last word.
 
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gsmooth said:
this is exactly what I was saying around 6:15 when the selections were announced. The committee puts up this facade that it is objective and driven academically by data and it isn't. Like Tenspro has been saying, I think they had UConn at the #3 overall and set up their bracket that way and then when the results of late Friday and the weekend occurred they stayed with those brackets. Instead they should have been doing the hard work they were supposed to and rearranging the teams based on the conference tournament results.
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Agree.
 
tzznandrew said:
You can't do that. There were years were Gonzaga was one of the best 10 teams in the country but the WCC was a one-bid league.

Just pick the best teams. We're upset about St. John's or Seton Hall not being in, but it isn't as if they were going to win the title. The committee just has to do a better job, not rewrite the rulebook
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Since they don't seem tobe capable of that I think this is a good solution. But then they'll just say there was another bubble team in that conference. There are unlimited excuses available. The bottom line is they are unaccountable and there is no reasonable time frame or outside party for a challenge.
 
Secure Dog said:
I was just letting everyone know that you strongly believe their is no biased from the ncaa and that they do not favor the big10 or SEC. As you say it’s all above board. So your right nothing to read here.
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No, that's not what I said. I said it's not a Midwest bias but a bias towards the P6. And that applies and is what you're saying here too
 
With AI now on the rise and sports betting at an all time high, I would think some combination of having AI and Vegas select a bracket would be much more fair, balanced and entertaining than what the committee put together. Let the odds makers decide the at large bids based on what the point spreads would be for each potential matchup. Instead we have teams like Dayton, Mich State and Virginia that have no business being in the field while leaving out some teams that legitimately could have won 2-3 games or more all because football is now directing how our basketball tournament is run.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
With AI now on the rise and sports betting at an all time high, I would think some combination of having AI and Vegas select a bracket would be much more fair, balanced and entertaining than what the committee put together. Let the odds makers decide the at large bids based on what the point spreads would be for each potential matchup. Instead we have teams like Dayton, Mich State and Virginia that have no business being in the field while leaving out some teams that legitimately could have won 2-3 games or more all because football is now directing how our basketball tournament is run.
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I'd like less Vegas and less sports gambling in my life.

Same with AI.

The committee this year did a bad job. Seton Hall, St. John's, and PC left the door open for subjective people to get that wrong. I'd rather that than gamblers and machines.
 
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