Why the Big Ten adding Rutgers may have been the worst realignment move in modern history. | The Boneyard

Why the Big Ten adding Rutgers may have been the worst realignment move in modern history.

Unless the analysis is about how adding Rutgers cost the remaining Big Ten members money, it's a waste of time. It may have hurt Rutgers by sentencing them to a lifetime of futility (and money is only a means to avoiding futility -- money to spend on sports that can't provide results is useless), but I think the Ten knew what they were getting into and found that the benefits were worth the costs.
 
“We basically had a 400 percent increase (in network revenue),” Delany says of the Maryland/Rutgers impact. “We went from about $50 million a year to about $200 million a year annual average value. That makes everybody’s eyes pop.”

Doesn't sound like it was a terrible decision to me.

Rutgers had the steepest hill to climb of anyone. They have made - and continue to make - improvements and investments into their facilities. Will it work? Who knows. Doesn't really matter. Not every addition can be a grand slam. Some of these schools have to pile up the losses because not everyone can go 12-0. Every conference needs bottom feeders to feed the middle-tier and top-tier teams.

Rutgers gets Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington into NYC. That is Rutgers' purpose.
 
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Rutgers joining the B1G did not hurt the B1G at all. They may have had others paths to gaining a better foothold in the NYC market but Jersey has a very large population base and the addition brought those cables boxes.

I'm not sure how the additional revenue led Rutgers to the amount of debt they currently have but I highly doubt that it is due to B1G membership.

I'm still amazed with the futility Rutgers has had in men's basketball (Pikiell is changing this) as their location alone should make it almost impossible to field such a deficient product. If they just recruited the scraps (after top schools took the top talent) from northern NJ, Camden, NYC and its metropolitan area and Philly and its metro area they could field a very competitive squad year in year out.
 
1) Did BTN get additional revenue from NYC?
2) Did BiG recruiting in HSFB hotbed NJ increase?
3) Did BiG games in the NYC area increase alumni engagement and donations?
4) Did BiG applications from the northeast increase?
 
noeynox said:
Yeah well they're in. And in a better spot than schools like Florida State and Clemson. Haters gonna hate is what i would say if i was them. Their AD at the time Tim Pernetti had a game plan and it paid off.
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What exactly are they in? A conference they can’t compete in and where they continue to rack up massive debt? Is that something schools should strive for? UW just destroyed it’s Olympic Sports programs (these are important in the PAC) for a few million dollars in a dying linear tv move. Are they in? If all these are considered to be considered to be in the “in” crowd then this world really is just a topsy turvy bizarro reflection of what it should be.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Rutgers lucked out. It is as simple as that.

UCF, Cincy, and Houston also lucked out. It is just a matter of timing.

Had PAC held together after Colorado, we be in the B12 right now.
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But they didn’t!
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Rutgers joining the B1G did not hurt the B1G at all. They may have had others paths to gaining a better foothold in the NYC market but Jersey has a very large population base and the addition brought those cables boxes.

I'm not sure how the additional revenue led Rutgers to the amount of debt they currently have but I highly doubt that it is due to B1G membership.

I'm still amazed with the futility Rutgers has had in men's basketball (Pikiell is changing this) as their location alone should make it almost impossible to field such a deficient product. If they just recruited the scraps (after top schools took the top talent) from northern NJ, Camden, NYC and its metropolitan area and Philly and its metro area they could field a very competitive squad year in year out.
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I didn't expect to find any Rutgers fans in this thread. Welcome to the Board.
 
FriarJ said:
What exactly are they in? A conference they can’t compete in and where they continue to rack up massive debt? Is that something schools should strive for? UW just destroyed it’s Olympic Sports programs (these are important in the PAC) for a few million dollars in a dying linear tv move. Are they in? If all these are considered to be considered to be in the “in” crowd then this world really is just a topsy turvy bizarro reflection of what it should be.
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I guess all these school presidents and board of directors are wrong and FriarJ is right. Its hard for you, because Providence doesn't even offer college baseball. Providence cannot ever land anywhere better than the Big East, so from your eyes, no one should ever look to improve its position. I mean don't look now but Rutgers basketball is showing life in the Big Ten with a real chance at landing the #1, and #2 recruits in this class.
 
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noeynox said:
I guess all these school presidents and board of directors are wrong and FriarJ is right. Its hard for you, because Providence doesn't even offer college baseball. Providence cannot ever land anywhere better than the Big East, so from your eyes, no one should ever look to improve its position. I mean don't look now but Rutgers basketball is showing life in the Big Ten with a real chance at landing the #1, and #2 recruits in this class.
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Another Rutgers fan. So you would rather root for a bad athletic program in a conference that makes a lot of money than a good athletic program?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Another Rutgers fan. So you would rather root for a bad athletic program in a conference that makes a lot of money than a good athletic program?
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Shut your pie hole fool. Like UConn and you wouldn't take an invitation to the B1G. They were bad in the Big East. They've actually made the NCAA tournament in the B1G. By your logic they should have been happier remaining in the Big East, still sucking at BB and having FB in the independent purgatory.
 
noeynox said:
Shut your pie hole fool. Like UConn and you wouldn't take an invitation to the B1G. They were bad in the Big East. They've actually made the NCAA tournament in the B1G. By your logic they should have been happier remaining in the Big East, still sucking at BB and having FB in the independent purgatory.
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I fully support your wish to come out as a Rutgers fan.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I fully support your wish to come out as a Rutgers fan.
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Sounds like you want come out as something else. Live your truth. We will support you here buddy. You are safe with us.
 
noeynox said:
I guess all these school presidents and board of directors are wrong and FriarJ is right. Its hard for you, because Providence doesn't even offer college baseball. Providence cannot ever land anywhere better than the Big East, so from your eyes, no one should ever look to improve its position. I mean don't look now but Rutgers basketball is showing life in the Big Ten with a real chance at landing the #1, and #2 recruits in this class.
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Yes, this is all about me. I’m the only one asking this question. I think the whole thing is f’ ng gross and obscene. UW and Oregon will still have decent football but they have sold their souls for it. I fly a lot back and forth across the country. Playing an Olympic sport then catching a red eye back to be in class? No thanks. Nobody cares though, not the administrators or the fans like you who have been brainwashed into thinking there is no other choice and it’s good for you.
 
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FriarJ said:
Yes, this is all about me. I’m the only one asking this question. I think the whole thing is f’ ng gross and obscene. UW and Oregon will still have decent football but they have sold their souls for it. I fly a lot back and forth across the country. Playing an Olympic sport then catching a red eye back to be in class? No thanks. Nobody cares though, not the administrators or the fans like you who have been brainwashed into thinking there is no other choice and it’s good for you.
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Like i said all those schools leaders are wrong and you are right. There millions of dollars at stake. Athletes are now going where they get the most NIL money. You can stop pretending anyone cares about the welfare of student athletes at any moment.
 
I think it came down to a few things

1. I think then Big 10 commissioner Delaney was from Jersey

2. At the time, the Big 10 had a clause that you needed to border another Big 10 university

3. The wanted the NY market

4. Rutgers was an AAU research university

5. NJ was considered very fertile recruiting ground

They checked all the boxes. They also had to wait a few years before they started to earn an equal share of revenue.

Much like BC, they were never able to use their position in the Big 10 to their advantage, but they are moving forward with new facilities, so at least they're on track. Kudos to them
 
FriarJ said:
Yes, this is all about me. I’m the only one asking this question. I think the whole thing is f’ ng gross and obscene. UW and Oregon will still have decent football but they have sold their souls for it. I fly a lot back and forth across the country. Playing an Olympic sport then catching a red eye back to be in class? No thanks. Nobody cares though, not the administrators or the fans like you who have been brainwashed into thinking there is no other choice and it’s good for you.
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He just hasn't figured out yet that everyone is losing.
 
B1GEast said:
I think it came down to a few things

1. I think then Big 10 commissioner Delaney was from Jersey

2. At the time, the Big 10 had a clause that you needed to border another Big 10 university

3. The wanted the NY market

4. Rutgers was an AAU research university

5. NJ was considered very fertile recruiting ground

They checked all the boxes. They also had to wait a few years before they started to earn an equal share of revenue.

Much like BC, they were never able to use their position in the Big 10 to their advantage, but they are moving forward with new facilities, so at least they're on track. Kudos to them
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The Big 10 forgot that Rutgers was irrelevant for decades prior to joining the Big 10 and still are relevant
 
Rutgers should change their name. I honestly think it’s part of the problem. Nobody understands what it means and nobody even knows the team name without looking it up. The Rutgers what?
If they were called Ujerz or something like that they would probably be better in sports. It’s inexplicable how bad they have been despite the resources, location, conference so I’m going to say the name is a problem.
 
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Kenny11 said:
Rutgers should change their name. I honestly think it’s part of the problem. Nobody understands what it means and nobody even knows the team name without looking it up. The Rutgers what?
If they were called Ujerz or something like that they would probably be better in sports. It’s inexplicable how bad they have been despite the resources, location, conference so I’m going to say the name is a problem.
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North East New Jersey State Agricultural and Transportation College. NENJS A&T just rolls off the tongue, doesn’t it.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Good lord does this board suck. Someone starts a thread taking a swing at the mother of all dumpster fires of an athletic program, and UConn fans rush to Rutgers' defense.
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No one is defending anything. Rutgers is grand prize winner in realignment. Their BB team is becoming relevant. Those things are indisputable.
 
noeynox said:
Like i said all those schools leaders are wrong and you are right. There millions of dollars at stake. Athletes are now going where they get the most NIL money. You can stop pretending anyone cares about the welfare of student athletes at any moment.
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I get that, what I also get is that someone’s daughter who was going to be on the swim team is no longer going to commit to that schools becuse of the travel. Like I said they will have destroyed all the other sports, imo. We have seen this all over conference realignment when you have to go across so many time zones. It happened to UConn. Not sure why you won’t consider this and why it’s causing you angst that I have a different opinion than you on this. The million of dollars at stake are not for you, or the student athletes. It’s for the already wealthy administrators to seek raises.

I will ask again, what is Rutgers actually in? Sell me on why it’s so important for them to be losing money like this and failing at all other sports? I mean little PC without baseball or football beats them almost every year in Director Cup’s standings. How is that possible? Their in and we are forever out.
 
Kenny11 said:
Rutgers should change their name. I honestly think it’s part of the problem. Nobody understands what it means and nobody even knows the team name without looking it up. The Rutgers what?
If they were called Ujerz or something like that they would probably be better in sports. It’s inexplicable how bad they have been despite the resources, location, conference so I’m going to say the name is a problem.
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Southern Hoboken Institute of Technology
 
FriarJ said:
What exactly are they in? A conference they can’t compete in and where they continue to rack up massive debt? Is that something schools should strive for? UW just destroyed its Olympic Sports programs (these are important in the PAC) for a few million dollars in a dying linear tv move. Are they in? If all these are considered to be considered to be in the “in” crowd then this world really is just a topsy turvy bizarro reflection of what it should be.
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Kenny11 said:
Rutgers should change their name. I honestly think it’s part of the problem. Nobody understands what it means and nobody even knows the team name without looking it up. The Rutgers what?
If they were called Ujerz or something like that they would probably be better in sports. It’s inexplicable how bad they have been despite the resources, location, conference so I’m going to say the name is a problem.
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I remember explaining to my shocked golfing buddies who were mostly B1G fans that Rutgers is New Jersey’s Flagship public University, not the small private Ivy wannabe which they all believed .
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Good lord does this board suck. Someone starts a thread taking a swing at the mother of all dumpster fires of an athletic program, and UConn fans rush to Rutgers' defense.
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For the record most of the comments that you tried painting as defense of Rutgers were merely stating that the B1G received what they were hoping for when they added Rutgers. That Rutgers screwed themselves financially with this move (which is unimaginable) and remained pathetic in high profile sports afterwards (which was expected) have been completely overlooked in your feeble attempts to display some ersatz superiority.
 
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