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I believe that the position most are taking is how to best handle the Nika 4th quarter 5 min to go foul out (again just like the ND game). Seems as though when she exhausts herself covering the other teams best quick guard she hits a wall and makes mistakes. All we are saying is that a short break - subbing Q or Ines (better defender) and a timely reminder from Geno is a better option than what happened. That run that Syracuse went on was real scary and it was only Paige (and KK) that saved the day.
No. The best option is when you win. UCONN won. So how is what he did worng? If he pulls her for 2+ minutes that might be the difference in a loss. So where is teh msitake? It's just personal prefernce. So we are going to crticize him for not being abosultely perfect with NIka rather than just winning? When he wins -no injuires - with the team having a 1 week break the substituion pattern isn't wrong.
 
UConn is not going to win it all playing only 6 players. I understand Ines not playing, but Q can give you some minutes and she is a scoring threat.

Nika should have been pulled with the 4th foul. It was at 5:24. Geno could have put her back in after the 5:00 timeout.

I believe that fatigue is catching up to the players. Outscored Jackson St by only 1 (37-36) in the 2nd half and outscored by Syracuse by 3 (36-33) in the 2nd half. That is not a formula for winning a championship.
Having half your possible starters not in uniform is a bigger reason not to win a championship. As far as subbing went, with Nika out and KK in the first half, his choice had to be with adding a front court defender and rebounder or adding a possible other scorer. No way is Bettencourt ready to defend that team especially not helping with one of the most hard to defend players in college hoops. I can’t see Q having much rebounding success against that team plus she is known to have taken a few bad shots now and then. Brady was not going to score a lot and she did what was pretty important, rebound and defend and importantly, didn’t commit a single foul. Her getting into foul trouble would have really hurt. Syracuse is way better than the old Big East version. Tough out.

Our half a team is better than 95% of fully loaded teams. My attitude,is that between our men’s team and especially the women, year,after year we get to see them play til the last possible weekend or two of the season. We really are spoiled.
 
If that is the case, then it's a classic example of successfully baiting one's opponent. That's a normal part of competitive sports, and it's Nika's fault for allowing it to work.
I didnt say it wasn't Nika's fault. She absolutely shouldnt have committed those last to fouls. I'm just trying to come up with a reason.
 
I am hoping that Portland isn't the end of the road for Nika and the Huskies.

Much better to end her career at the Final Four (in victory of course).
I claim a BrainFart on the Final Four, I was only thinking about the next game.
 
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Pardon me.

Nika gets her 4th foul in a close game. About 22 seconds later she fouls out.

Is it unreasonable to consider that Geno could have substituted and had a 20 second chat with Nika as to the gravity of the situation? Put Nika back in after that 20 seconds or if the team is still doing OK rest her a bit more.

Y’all are a tough crowd, but the fact remains that UConn turned the ball over and had subpar possessions with Nika on the bench. KK bailed us out and hopefully Nika learned a lesson.

Survive and advance.
There really is no lesson for Nika to learn. When you play an attacking aggressive point guard you are going to get into or be in foul trouble. Aggressive point guards who attack the defender put a tremendous amount of pressure on the defender. When Fair drives to the hoop it's basically a coin flip on whether a foul will be called. Nika did a great job defending her in the first 1/2 when Fair was basically probing our defense. In the 2nd half she started heading downhill to the hoop and really attacked Nika. If I was playing UConn that's what I would do, especially if I had a deep bench. Go right at Nika and Edwards early and often and get them in foul trouble.
 
And she may have "not shown." I suspect she hasn't. Aren';tyou always on board with Geno and what he speaks of in practices? Why assume the best coach in History is wrong? OFC you can crticize- and disagree with him - I'm just offering a view that I don't see the things many of you see in Ines. I agree with Geno on this. If I agree with him - I hopeothers won't translate this into I'm a hater or anything. I've just always been "play your best .. ."

I hiope this doesn't get us fighting on othe subejcts too. I respect youropionion a lot. And youa re a former wrestling coach too, as well? Ton of repsect. for you. I just don't see what some of you see in Ines vs giving the other palyers more time. Fore xample I lean more twoard Q,
hoophuskee- - - My thinking is if Geno didn't think Ines had potential why offer and give her a scholarship in the 1st place!
So if he saw potential do anything he can to get her to realize her potential instead of giving up on her!
 
Behold, I tell you a mystery
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Part 3 Handel's Messiah...from somewhere in the Bible).

There are several questions under discussion in this thread.
Joe raised the following:

HOWEVER, given that she hasn't played meaningful minutes all year, you certainly don't put her in an NCAA Tournament game where the outcome has not been decided. That would be completely foolhardy.

Nan reinforced that view:

Why would you put a sophomore that averaged 5 minutes a game into a late-game, high pressure situation?

Let me start with Nan's query...Why? because Ice was completely out of her comfort zone with regard Offense...less so on D and rebounding which was most likely the reason that Geno left her in. But it was pretty scary anytime she had the ball in her hands and putting in another guard might have been appropriate.

Then there is the complex question raised by Joe...
then first part is why, after showing promises and playing important minutes last year, at times, to reasonable success, would she be relegated to the deep, doggy house?

I have no answer, perhaps Nan knows...But I have a hard time believing that she regressed so much over the summer that she is now only suitable for mop-up.
She's quick and athletic...It's true she missed most of her shots this season but I don't think the few minutes she gets is representative.

We all know Geno's predilection for shortening the bench in tight spots and that certain players with some ability have been relegated...And he's mentioned his admiration for Q's potential, which is obvious to all.

But I (and others) thought that Ines might be quite useful this season, especially after the injuries...but apparently, no dice

A great mystery.
Certainly a mystery, that a coach would not anticipate a situation like what happened yesterday. And get Ines lots of minutes during those laughers in much of Big East play. 2 minutes is no preparation.
 
hoophuskee- - - My thinking is if Geno didn't think Ines had potential why offer and give her a scholarship in the 1st place!
So if he saw potential do anything he can to get her to realize her potential instead of giving up on her!
For the same reason he offered DeBerry. He saw potential or his assistants did. But it doesn’t always work out. I had a few bad hires in my day. I think in Ines’s case, she has more potential to contribute than Amari but has several guards in front of her who are plainly better. That’s seems unlikely to change next year.
 
Certainly a mystery, that a coach would not anticipate a situation like what happened yesterday. And get Ines lots of minutes during those laughers in much of Big East play. 2 minutes is no preparation.
You actually think that performing in laughers translates to performing in a close NCAAT game?
I read somewhere that you're judged on how you perform in practice and under specific situations.
 
yup. she was 'thickheaded.' she admits it's one of her flaws. but lordy, you gotta weigh that against her pluses -- which are many.

the idea that geno has to clue her in is ridiculous. she knew that she messed up. pushing off so blatantly was stupid -- but remember that she had to be exhausted at that point and her self-control no doubt was overcome by her basic instinct -- aggression, which she has managed to manage (a hard task) in recent years.

she had accumulated just two fouls to that point while playing very tough defense against primarily a superb, shifty scoring threat. then -- boom, boom, she's quickly assessed two more (questionable?) fouls.

seconds later, she blows it. sad -- but it happens.

regarding geno's failure to sub her out after the fourth foul:

1) he hardly had a chance (and you don't squander time outs at this point)

2) he trusted her because she is so vital to the team and she's previously played successfully with four fouls. so he decided the risk was the right course. i would agree. but nika -- like all of us -- made a mistake. sorry, she's not perfect, but she's damn good.
A lot of what's being said here is not criticism of Nika. Check the title of the thread again.
 
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You actually think that performing in laughers translates to performing in a close NCAAT game?
I read somewhere that you're judged on how you perform in practice and under specific situations.
Yes, court time against anyone is better than bench time. Ditch the "judged in practice" stuff. When you've got so few players, and foul trouble can really put your team in a tight spot, you want to prepare a bit for that possibility. Beyond the laughers, there actually were games against Creighton and Marquette where it would have been "safe" to give Ines time against a quality team. This is not new with Geno, and it won't change.
 
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For the same reason he offered DeBerry. He saw potential or his assistants did. But it doesn’t always work out. I had a few bad hires in my day. I think in Ines’s case, she has more potential to contribute than Amari but has several guards in front of her who are plainly better. That’s seems unlikely to change next year.
I guess he should look less at potential and look for better players ! We have too many potentially good players on the bench that have not helped the team !
 
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I guess he should look less at potential and look for better players ! We have too many potentially good players on the bench that have not helped the team !
Every player is looked at for potential. Do you really think they are ignoring potential stars too? Seriously .? Bueckers, Fudd both rated #1 in their hs classes. Edwards a star in Canadian high school. Ducharme a top 10 high school player. Arnold a MCD AA. Shade a great high school player., Muhl a highly rated European and El Afy highly regarded as were both Brady and DeBerry. Not to mention Griffin who was not quite as highly regarded but a world of “potential” that paid off big time. They are playing with half a deck and have made at least the final 16. You want a whole list of their recruits over the years plus the ones they didn’t land? Honestly, people sometimes just say stuff
 
Every player is looked at for potential. Do you really think they are ignoring potential stars too? Seriously .? Bueckers, Fudd both rated #1 in their hs classes. Edwards a star in Canadian high school. Ducharme a top 10 high school player. Arnold a MCD AA. Shade a great high school player., Muhl a highly rated European and El Afy highly regarded as were both Brady and DeBerry. Not to mention Griffin who was not quite as highly regarded but a world of “potential” that paid off big time. They are playing with half a deck and have made at least the final 16. You want a whole list of their recruits over the years plus the ones they didn’t land? Honestly, people sometimes just say stuff
Loved your last line!!
 
I would have put Inez in instead of Brady..during the game Brady didn't bring much and I don't even care about her missed shots but I cringed each time they passed it to her..she was clearly rattled and couldn't handle the ball..with Inez in she is a good ball handler and was fine last year at Maryland with a hostile crowd..she could get the ball and dribble untill the double team came and pass it to KK or Paige..not looking for her to score just not turn it over
 
I guess he should look less at potential and look for better players ! We have too many potentially good players on the bench that have not helped the team !
Ines was recruited at the last second because he was short of guards due to injuries. Ines was literally headed to a JUCO in Florida when she got an offer
 
Appreciate people's comments (well most of them). What I was trying to throw out there as the topic was why wasn't Nika taken out after her 4th foul?

Here is the sequence:
5:47 Nika gets her 3rd foul
5:24 Nika gets her 4th foul
5:16 Nika gets her 5th foul

I'm really not trying to nit pick with the Hal of Fame coach, but upon review clearly Nika was "vulnerable(?)". A short rest on the bench and wise words from Geno could have been an alternate reality. She's 21 or 22, an extreme competitor, emotional, bit stubborn and playing in her last game in Gampel. She had a great game, but could have used a wise word from Grandpa.

"Count to 10 before responding."

I mentioned Ines because she is a guard. Agree that it throws her in a very tough position, but all Nika (and thus the team) needed was a 30 second break after her 4th foul.
 
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hoophuskee- - - My thinking is if Geno didn't think Ines had potential why offer and give her a scholarship in the 1st place!
So if he saw potential do anything he can to get her to realize her potential instead of giving up on her!
I think he did/does. He has Practices imo to show it. I'm just offering my opinion that in Pratctices the other Guards are probably better. If she were a center, she would probably play more. The problem is that she is mostly a PG in and there are 3 pg's ahead of her. UCONN has had some other pg's that haven't worked out as well but these particular 3 have worked out very well. .

So, I don't believe he gave up on her at all. He provideed competitions in Practices imo and he awards minutes to the best players he feels gives his team the best chance to win, which imo any championship caliber coach striving for championships in hghly competitive sporting events tries to do.
 
Appreciate people's comments (well most of them). What I was trying to throw out there as the topic was why wasn't Nika taken out after her 4th foul?

Here is the sequence:
5:47 Nika gets her 3rd foul
5:24 Nika gets her 4th foul
5:16 Nika gets her 5th foul

I'm really not trying to nit pick with the Hal of Fame coach, but upon review clearly Nika was "vulnerable(?)". A short rest on the bench and wise words from Geno could have been an alternate reality. She's 21 or 22, an extreme competitor, emotional, bit stubborn and playing in her last game in Gampel. She had a great game, but could have used a wise word from Grandpa.

"Count to 10 before responding."

I mentioned Ines because she is a guard. Agree that it throws her in a very tough position, but all Nika (and thus the team) needed was a 30 second break after her 4th foul.

IMO you're not only slamming the coach on something he has no business being slammed over - but secondly you’re treating Nika Muhl like she is a 6 year old. incapable of keeping her cool. That's so wrong. ,

You say "count to 10 . . . "

I say stop acting like a Kindergarten teacher.

Nika just can’t make that dumb foul. Let's stop with the excuses that we give 6 year olds. In sports players are not perfect. We don't get mad. We just have to accept it. She made a mistake and we move on.
 
yup. she was 'thickheaded.' she admits it's one of her flaws. but lordy, you gotta weigh that against her pluses -- which are many.

the idea that geno has to clue her in is ridiculous. she knew that she messed up. pushing off so blatantly was stupid -- but remember that she had to be exhausted at that point and her self-control no doubt was overcome by her basic instinct -- aggression, which she has managed to manage (a hard task) in recent years.

she had accumulated just two fouls to that point while playing very tough defense against primarily a superb, shifty scoring threat. then -- boom, boom, she's quickly assessed two more (questionable?) fouls.

seconds later, she blows it. sad -- but it happens.

regarding geno's failure to sub her out after the fourth foul:

1) he hardly had a chance (and you don't squander time outs at this point)

2) he trusted her because she is so vital to the team and she's previously played successfully with four fouls. so he decided the risk was the right course. i would agree. but nika -- like all of us -- made a mistake. sorry, she's not perfect, but she's damn good.
PacoSwede- - -Geno has pulled Paige from the game to explain to her she needs to shoot more then puts her back in at the next available time!
I think he could have done that with Nika after her 3rd foul and avoided the straight arm for the 5th foul!
 
IMO you're not only slamming the coach on something he has no business being slammed over - but secondly you’re treating Nika Muhl like she is a 6 year old. incapable of keeping her cool. That's so wrong. ,

You say "count to 10 . . . "

I say stop acting like a Kindergarten teacher.

Nika just can’t make that dumb foul. Let's stop with the excuses that we give 6 year olds. In sports players are not perfect. We don't get mad. We just have to accept it. She made a mistake and we move on.
hoophuskee- - -Instead of attacking NEforceUConn, how about discussing it civil-like and get your point across without the venom!
Over the years since 1991 when I first caught the UConn WBB bug I've been on many, many UConn WBB fan sites such as ESPN (that folded) and the nastiness was beyond belief!
And one or two others were the same, , you are an As-ho--, and language like that!
I would hate to leave the BY because the majority of posters attack first, and treat other posters as if they are the stupid ones and the attacker is the only one with any logical knowledge!
We've got enough HATE in this country without bringing it to this fan message site too!
 
hoophuskee- - -Instead of attacking NEforceUConn, how about discussing it civil-like and get your point across without the venom!
Over the years since 1991 when I first caught the UConn WBB bug I've been on many, many UConn WBB fan sites such as ESPN (that folded) and the nastiness was beyond belief!
And one or two others were the same, , you are an As-ho--, and language like that!
I would hate to leave the BY because the majority of posters attack first, and treat other posters as if they are the stupid ones and the attacker is the only one with any logical knowledge!
We've got enough HATE in this country without bringing it to this fan message site too!
I was civil. A kindergarten teacher is civil. What's wrong with that? Those teachers are very concnered over children. It meant being overly protective to Nika. Nika is capable. It's a bit of a slap in the face to her after all these years that she's being categorized in some manner as "Can't control her emotions," that she must be given a break because of her emotions, isn't it? I'm a fan of Nika. It's sort of an attack on her, isn'it?

We're on a UCONN board and a poster is telling me a player that I like "can't handle it." in some manner. I'm going to fight back on that all day.
 
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